Making A Murderer [Netflix - Documentary Series]

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

Yes and another good point Zellner brought up about him was that he had Theresas daily planner which was odd because she showed that it really should have been in the car as she had took bookings that day and she never made it home.

The guy on reddit link above reckons that Zellner is making up stuff about that
Thing is, I don't know how to research (and whether I want to spend the time on it...) the coverage of each cell tower, and the two locations mentioned, so either way someone will have to be taken at their word...

For all we know that place Zellner mentions

Cockadoodledoo wrote: »

This is spoiler central for anyone who hasn’t watched it yet lol

Did they say how far her home was from Avery’s? I remember she said it wouldn’t have made sense to go there on her way

I don't believe so,they showed a map.

Cockadoodledoo wrote: »

Damn now I want to know how far away it was

They didn't give any indication of map's scale.

I suspected Scott and Bobby in the first season.... especially Scott.

Shergar6 wrote: »

https://youtu.be/kE9-fnW4S7g

It's 50 minutes and nothing too notable but he is very evasive at times. Remembers certain things but has no memory of things nobody would forget. He's like 30 not 70. It wasn't that long ago.

Yikes that interrogation is a bit of a love in.

Not sure if they thought a touchy touchy feely feely interview technique would lull him into a false sense of security and make him drop his guard if he indeed had anything to hide.

Far too smart for that and Bobby knows post Kellner's accusations there's a lot of heat on him.

Cockadoodledoo wrote: »

This is spoiler central for anyone who hasn’t watched it yet lol

Did they say how far her home was from Avery’s? I remember she said it wouldn’t have made sense to go there on her way

Oops

I edited my posts a bit to make them more cryptic.


I've nothing else to be looking at so I did end up researching a bit.
Here's an interesting blog : http://georgezipperer.blogspot.com/2018/01/
(found at random, just trying to find info on where she lived)

So far what I've gathered is that she lived in or around the Hilbert area.
https://goo.gl/maps/vZMn3h9ABoQ2

From there it's 55 km or so as the crow flies to Sheboygan.

Don't know what radius coverage cell masts have over there. Possibly if she was in between rather than in Sheboygan itself, the phone would pick the home mast rather than Sheboygan.

pdf of investigative reports with first visit to her home, meeting with Ryan whatshisname, and Jolene her friend.
Jolene explains to detective the affair with married man. p.32 I think
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/CASO-Investigative-Report.pdf#page=31

55km would be a long way to drive so that raises the issue of the organiser at least

Cockadoodledoo wrote: »

This is spoiler central for anyone who hasn’t watched it yet lol

Did they say how far her home was from Avery’s? I remember she said it wouldn’t have made sense to go there on her way

Yeah sorry about that, I was thinking this thread was a bit of a free for all regards season 2 I personally steered clear of it until I had watched it all just in case there was spoilers! Hopefully it won't ruin your 'enjoyment', if that's the right word to use.

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

Yeah sorry about that, I was thinking this thread was a bit of a free for all regards season 2 I personally steered clear of it until I had watched it all just in case there was spoilers! Hopefully it won't ruin your 'enjoyment', if that's the right word to use.

Oh I binged on season 2 last weekend... I spent most of the week waiting for the conversation to start flowing lol. I just said it out of amusement more than anything because of all the spoilers

Cockadoodledoo wrote: »

55km would be a long way to drive so that raises the issue of the organiser at least

55km seriously? that's like 35 miles. that can be covered in roughly 30 minutes if you observe a 55mph speed limit which majority of highways are in the states. even if she goes half the speed it still equates to 60 minutes.

back in the day when there were no smartphones to take these photos yourself, these auto trader photographers were in high demand.

Google maps gives a travel time of 55 minutes or so for Sheboygan to Hilbert I think. Whatever traffic or roads take that length of time.



The distance I put above was measure with Google maps measure distance tool, it's as the crow flies. Road distance between 75/65 km.
57 minutes (I've put in the school as that's one of the first place investigators went to ask people if they had seen her)
https://goo.gl/maps/7gxQJbeJ5zL2

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

I did. However I was just purely talking numbers. 55km is not a long distance, whether she doubled back is irrelevant to what I want pointing out.

But it's not 55, that was just me doing a googl e maps distance measuring, road trip is between 10/20 km longer.

Very interesting Q&A with KathleenZ on Twitter posted on front page of the George Zipperer blog, happened on 23rd and addresses most questions asked here including mast cells info and lack thereof.

http://georgezipperer.blogspot.com

Cockadoodledoo wrote: »

I suspected Scott and Bobby in the first season.... especially Scott.

I actually thought it was bobby dassey’s father in law.

Why would a man who spent 18 years for a crime he didn’t comment get out, & murder some random girl?

Why?

I’m in love with KZ .

I found the whole circus around the case a little distasteful, most on both sides using it to make money.

Also don’t see Kathleen as some steely justice fighting woman. I thought she exploited the situation as much as anyone.

Wasn’t Steve writing to her for like 4 years without a reply and then out of the blue decides to take the case around the time the first season came out? I think she saw it as a huge self promotion opportunity rather than a work of conscience.

Also her constant tweeting, accusing nearly everyone involved in the program and over confidence that it was a slam dunk case(perhaps for effect in front of the cameras) just left a bad taste in the mouth.

The main thing I got from the second season(apart from plenty of conspiracy theories and the fact that it still looks like Brendan is totally innocent, still on the fence about Steve) was that it was more a feeding frenzy for most involved. Distasteful money making from the cases. It seriously left a bad taste in the mouth. Kratz shamelessly milking it on the prosecutors side(came across as a totally unlikeable and shady character again) as well as Stephens defense team from the first season and indeed Kathleen.

My abiding memory of the second season is how sorry I felt for Stephens parents. Hardy looking people who I’m sure are as tough as nails but both in their 80s and in serious I’ll health. Both talking candidly about hoping that Stephen gets out when they are still alive.

The interview with the father, a man it seems of very few words, tough as old boots and still working in th scrap yard moving engines around etc, despite being in his 80s and walking with the aid of a stick, tearing up and basically admitting that he is trying to stay alive long enough to see Stephen released. Heartbreaking.