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Should we ban private car use?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭Hercule Poirot


    Not only is the public transport system utter cack but it's stupidly expensive - a day return for two adults from Ballina to Sligo cost me €54 on bus eireann the other day - so now I'm even more determined to start driving


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭demanufactured


    Finally someone has the balls to call out Little Island for the massive damage they are doing to our environment

    Is that you Peter Casey?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    wexie wrote: »
    Interesting article, especially the bit talking about the cooling effect of aerosols.

    “Give me a half tanker of iron, and I will give you an ice age.”
    - John Martin


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Last Saturday night I witnessed a guy in the center of town about 10:30pm do a handbrake turn on a roundabout. In a way it was quite impressive he stayed on the road at all times and didn't veer into the centre of the roundabout. Or kill anyone. It has occurred to me of late that in this smallish town a lot of people do a lot of aimless driving. I put that down to not having much to do which I think is a big problem is rural Ireland but at the same time I can't help but think there should be something in place to deter ppl from wasting petrol, putting ppl in danger, polluting the environment etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Temptamperu


    meanwhile china pumps tonnes of carbon into the atmosphere every day.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    My drive to work takes me 15 minutes, door to door. When I get to my convenient and free parking spot, I generally have at least two trips to the car to empty the boot of equipment. If I've to go by public transport it means two buses, spending at least 40 minutes on each, with up to another 40 minutes waiting between the two.

    Give me one good reason not to drive my big comfy car with a stereo to play whatever dafuq I want at whatever volume suits me, a cup holder for my coffee, a guaranteed leather seat, climate control, and nobody bothering me, with the option to head off in any number of directions when the day is done? I don't care about sitting stuck in traffic (I rarely do. The hours work out nicely in that regard). I don't care about the cost of fuel and tax etc. I can afford it.

    What's in public transport for me? I'm not even 'that guy'. If I don't have a load of gear to bring, I'll cycle. Nice spin. About 30 minutes each way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo


    meanwhile china pumps tonnes of carbon into the atmosphere every day.

    Ireland is worse than China per capita. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭Sam Quentin


    The ozone layer!?
    AHHH THE OLD OZONE LAYER fake news thing....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,779 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Under distances that can be walked or cycled, I’d say yes. We’ve become a lazy nation that uses the private car for ridiculously short journeys

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/more-than-half-of-travellers-use-cars-for-journeys-under-2km-1.2303451%3fmode=amp


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,880 ✭✭✭corks finest


    No,ban whomever suggested this ridiculous proposal


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,236 ✭✭✭Pkiernan


    "A NASA study declared that automobiles were officially the largest net contributor of climate change pollution in the world."

    For example, the area of Little Island on the east side of Cork City has 87% of people travel by car each day into the area. That is going beyond the unthinkable when it comes to trying to tackle climate change.

    We rely on our agricultural industry far more in Ireland than other countries, so that is a much more difficult issue to tackle.
    But weening ourselves off our massive over reliance on the automobile should be top of the agenda if we genuinely care about the environment.

    Google the CO2 emissions for idiotic posts first.


  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    meanwhile china pumps tonnes of carbon into the atmosphere every day.

    "the average American is responsible for 19.8 tonnes per person, and the average Chinese citizen clocks in at 4.6 tonnes."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,746 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    "the average American is responsible for 19.8 tonnes per person, and the average Chinese citizen clocks in at 4.6 tonnes."


    merica, fcuk yea!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    Pretzill wrote: »
    No but we could improve the national and rural public transport system. If I didnt have a private car I either wouldn't leave the house or would be travelling dangerous roads on foot or by bike.

    I do think if I lived where the public transport system was good (coughs - Dublin) I certainly wouldn't use the car as much.

    I there were no cars, the roads would be safe...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭realitykeeper


    I think there is a case for reorganizing our lives so that travel is not necessary. Government generally is of course incompetent at everything so the thing to do is to take non professionals out of the equation in planning matters. Planning should be exclusively in the hands of planners, while suggestions by interested parties could be made available to the planners before they begin their work, no pressure should be applied regarding the suggestions by interested parties, just a mandatory set of criteria from government as paymasters. For example: Minimize necessity for private cars.

    Planning also should be co-ordinated and integrated from a national level to a local level by planners using a hierarchical structure. Politicians really should extricate themselves from the planning process itself (and everything else).

    When they were planning the children`s hospital in Dublin, I remember a highly opinionated nurse spouting her views like a boiling kettle and foolish people were actually listening to her! Nurses are not planners and as I say non relevant professionals should have no hand, act, or part in the planning process apart from submitting a proposal in writing beforehand, which the planners could consider in a non binding way.

    I think appeals should not be entertained in any way because appealers are not planners, and even if they are, they are probably just jealous they didn`t get the contract. Other appeallers are quite possibly just "appealing" in the hope they might get a payout.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,575 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    McGaggs wrote: »
    I there were no cars, the roads would be safe...

    It would be like the 1800's again. The very wealthy had horses and the rest walked.
    A brisk 20 mile walk to work and back is very good for the health.
    Bring back the 1800's, it's the wet dream of the Greens.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,746 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    I think there is a case for reorganizing our lives so that travel is not necessary. Government generally is of course incompetent at everything so the thing to do is to take non professionals out of the equation in planning matters. Planning should be exclusively in the hands of planners, while suggestions by interested parties could be made available to the planners before they begin their work, no pressure should be applied regarding the suggestions by interested parties, just a mandatory set of criteria from government as paymasters. For example: Minimize necessity for private cars.

    Planning also should be co-ordinated and integrated from a national level to a local level by planners using a hierarchical structure. Politicians really should extricate themselves from the planning process itself (and everything else).

    When they were planning the children`s hospital in Dublin, I remember a highly opinionated nurse spouting her views like a boiling kettle and foolish people were actually listening to her! Nurses are not planners and as I say non relevant professionals should have no hand, act, or part in the planning process apart from submitting a proposal in writing beforehand, which the planners could consider in a non binding way.

    I think appeals should not be entertained in any way because appealers are not planners, and even if they are, they are probably just jealous they didn`t get the contract. Other appeallers are quite possibly just "appealing" in the hope they might get a payout.

    so what part should regulatory democracy play in your utopia?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Pretzill wrote: »
    No but we could improve the national and rural public transport system. If I didnt have a private car I either wouldn't leave the house or would be travelling dangerous roads on foot or by bike.

    I do think if I lived where the public transport system was good (coughs - Dublin) I certainly wouldn't use the car as much.
    The roads would be far less dangerous if cars were banned


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,722 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Dublin's public transport is fantastic if you compare it to other Irish towns and cities. However, when in Dublin you realise how awful it is. Few examples:

    35 minutes door to door from my house to my job, driving. 150 minutes using public transport.

    10 minutes on the school run, driving. 75 minutes on public transport. Not because of traffic, but because you need to wait for about 4 buses until one has room

    10 minutes to go to the local Aldi by car (and can buy more!). Walking only as no public transport option available. This would mean about 15 trips to do a weekly shop (plus Aldi don't deliver).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,255 ✭✭✭The Bishop Basher


    When they were planning the children`s hospital in Dublin, I remember a highly opinionated nurse spouting her views like a boiling kettle and foolish people were actually listening to her!

    Short of guaranteeing the bond holders, that hospital will turn out to be the most expensive mistake we’ve ever made as a nation.

    We’re going to have the most expensive children’s hospital in the world and not a single extra bed or car parking space. Meanwhile our kids will still travel to other countries to get the care they actually need.

    This is why we’ll never get rid of our reliance on the car.

    That and the fact that we pay through the nose for the joy of having a car so why would anyone suffer the frustrations and costs of our crap public transport system when we can be warm and cosy and most importantly in our own space as we travel about.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 475 ✭✭mickuhaha


    Did they not fix this in avengers 3. They kill half of all people on earth. That in theory would half the cars and cows needed. We could start with people that live in rural Ireland as they don't use public transport as there is none. Then we move onto the unemployed. Then the over 65s. Anyone who's sick will be next. I think that would work. Sorted. Feel free join in I will be starting the plan Tuesday after the long weekend first I need to go get some magic stones.


  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I recently learned to drive and its the best thing I have ever done. Public transport in Dublin is terrible, unless you are travelling to city centre. Areas are not linked well at all. I will give some examples.

    I live in Carpenterstown in Blanch and the in laws live in Clondalkin. There is no easy way to get from Blanch to Clondalkin. The best option was to get the 239 to Liffey Valley and then a taxi. Another option was to take a train to city centre and then a bus to Clondalkin. Both options were VERY time consuming. Now I can drive in less than 30 mins.

    When my mother in law was in Tallaght hospital, we had to take a train to city centre and then a Luas to Tallaght. Now I can drive in 30 mins.

    Going shopping was difficult previously. 30 min walk to tesco. 30 min walk home with heavy bags. And I avoided buying things that were too heavy to carry. Now I can drive down in 5 mins and buy whatever I want.

    Used to walk 1 hour to work each morning. Now it takes 10 mins to drive.

    Thats just a few examples of how driving has benefited me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,047 ✭✭✭RayCon


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,086 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Acidogusto wrote: »
    No matter how good public transport gets it will never give you the flexibility of a car.

    Most people don't need that flexibility every day though.

    I still wouldn't ban - it's not workable. Just provide alternatives

    But i would stop giving planning permission for any housing without walk-to-able public transport. The only exception is genuine farmers who make their living on the farm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,712 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    meanwhile china pumps tonnes of carbon into the atmosphere every day.

    Lol with folks thinking per country than per person.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    But i would stop giving planning permission for any housing without walk-to-able public transport.

    So no more building pretty much anywhere outside of the main cities then?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,102 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I'll keep my big dirty diesel thanks.

    Do you like it because it's a mode of transport, or because it's big and dirty?

    Electric cars will be more than adequate replacements for the vast majority of transport uses within 10 years. If the electricity is generated using renewable or carbon neutral sources, then they'll be sustainable methods of transport. Especially if their combined batteries are used to store grid power from off peak hours (everyone plugs in the cars at night and uses that power to drive during the day)

    Self driving electric cars will allow much more efficient use of personal transport. There will be subscription services where people will be able to pay for use of a fleet of cars that are available at short notice to drive you wherever you like and the cost should be lower than private ownership of cars or use of taxis

    Electric cars also are much lower maintenance than ICE cars as they have far far fewer moving parts

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,208 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    antodeco wrote: »
    Dublin's public transport is fantastic if you compare it to other Irish towns and cities. However, when in Dublin you realise how awful it is. Few examples:

    35 minutes door to door from my house to my job, driving. 150 minutes using public transport.

    10 minutes on the school run, driving. 75 minutes on public transport. Not because of traffic, but because you need to wait for about 4 buses until one has room

    10 minutes to go to the local Aldi by car (and can buy more!). Walking only as no public transport option available. This would mean about 15 trips to do a weekly shop (plus Aldi don't deliver).

    Yep, I don't live a million miles away from you. My commute is 20 minutes by car. Public transport, (which I'll have to do once this week) will take me about an hour and a half. Throw in (kids on a school run, which no public transport does), and public transport is literally impossible. And I live in Dublin, god help people in other towns and cities in Ireland with even worse public transport, I'd imagine it's not even considered a serious option by most people.
    Public transport works for some, if you work in the city centre and don't have to get 2 buses or if you have no parking so no option.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,306 ✭✭✭kenmc


    Used to walk 1 hour to work each morning. Now it takes 10 mins to drive.

    Thats just a few examples of how driving has benefited me.

    I would argue that this example is a retrograde step, not a benefit.


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  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In terms of public transport, what we really need is an efficient underground system with several lines that links all of Dublin and the greater Dublin area. It should be easy to hop between lines as needed and go from one area to another.

    Such a transport system would reduce the amount of cars in Dublin and the greater Dublin area by a lot, which would be a good start.


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