Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

Gimme A Pound · 20-10-2018 12:03PM

The state may hold some secondary blame but no way is anyone other than upholders of such customs primarily to blame.

NasserShammaz · 20-10-2018 12:10PM

Mondo from Dublin wrote: »

Tbh the government are to blame really, Ms cash was taken out of school at aged 12, 2002.wasn't that long ago, where were the hse/ tusla ? (Whatever they were called then) why wasn't she taken into foster care? Why weren't her guardians jailed for not sending her to school? I betya they were still being paid children's allowance and back to school clothing allowance for her.

Personal Responsibility, or is that just for everyone else apart from the freeloading runts and scUm

Sultan_of_Ping · 20-10-2018 12:15PM

Mondo from Dublin wrote: »

Tbh the government are to blame really, Ms cash was taken out of school at aged 12, 2002.wasn't that long ago, where were the hse/ tusla ? (Whatever they were called then) why wasn't she taken into foster care? Why weren't her guardians jailed for not sending her to school? I betya they were still being paid children's allowance and back to school clothing allowance for her.

Who took her out of school?

You seem to think breaking up a family would have prevented her criminality.

Effects · 20-10-2018 12:49PM

Jasiah Hot Talker wrote: »

Sorry 51,000

It's not €51,000 either.
No point making up figures to drum up outrage. There's already enough actual reasons.

Quandary · 20-10-2018 12:50PM

Personal responsibility is something that is severely lacking in so many areas of society nowadays in this country.

Darndale scrambler incident
Margaret Cash, Erica Fleming etc...
Parents of certain children who blame all their woes and poor childs behaviour on anything but themselves
LUAS surfer getting a cool half million reward for being a complete idiot
Tens of thousands of people taking out mortgages that they couldn't pay given even a small change of circumstances and then blaming it ALL on the banks
Almost every disgraced politician and high level civil servant, ie Bertie, Haughey, Garda commissioner(s) etc....
Banking regulator, top level banking brass who facilitated the banking crisis

Just off the top of my head examples there but where is the personal responsibility???

Always someone elses fault or some else will pick up the pieces for my fcuk ups.

It reminds me so so much of that Simpsons episode with Frank Grimes when he flips out because Homer is able to survive in life despite the fact that he is a complete dolt.

Frank Grimes: Oh, I eat like a slob, but nobody minds... Frank Grimes: I'm peeing on the seat, give me a raise! Now I'm returning to work without washing my hands, *but* it doesn't matter, because *I'm* Homer Simpson! Frank Grimes: I don't need to do my work, cause someone else will do it for me!

It's best not to dwell too much on it because it's just not good for your brain and you'll just end up electrocuting yourself like poor old Grimey.

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humberklog · 20-10-2018 12:56PM

Mondo from Dublin wrote: »

Tbh the government are to blame really, Ms cash was taken out of school at aged 12, 2002.wasn't that long ago, where were the hse/ tusla ? (Whatever they were called then) why wasn't she taken into foster care? Why weren't her guardians jailed for not sending her to school? I betya they were still being paid children's allowance and back to school clothing allowance for her.

Isn't this a bit of the problem Pavee Point and other Traveller advocates have though? They've achieved ethnic minority status but does that include carrying on with practices that are incompatible with a modern society?

Let the travellers on in celebrating, expressing and promoting their culture but I think the state should move into an era of strong arming and clamping down on camp fires, illegal sulky racing, animal abuse, welfare fraud, child negligence...the list is a long one as far as I'm concerned.

I think the state does bear some blame- it has been too cowardly in enforcing the same standards across the board of society. The laws are there for us all and a minority status isn't a licence to break those laws.

There's been a history of acceptance by state enforcers (and the general population) for whatever reason)) of behaviour and traditions that simply aren't acceptable.

If the state and law abiding citizens (including travellers) are guilty of one thing it's allowing itself to be intimidated by a feckless and reckless minority.

Effects · 20-10-2018 12:57PM

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Ahem.

KevinCavan said she was getting €50k a year and free housing.
The figure is more like €36k and the remainder being the HAP payment for the 'free' housing.

KevinCavan · 20-10-2018 01:11PM

Effects wrote: »

KevinCavan said she was getting €50k a year and free housing.
The figure is more like €36k and the remainder being the HAP payment for the 'free' housing.

36k into your hand equates to a job paying 52k gross. The person earning 52k gross, gets 36k net and then has to start paying rent or mortgage. So her set up is pretty good.

handlemaster · 20-10-2018 01:28PM

no reason still to be stealing

Paddy Cow · 20-10-2018 02:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

And run the risk of losing some of her credits? Or have to pay someone to mind da childer?

On a serious note, travellers are supposed to be tight knit families. I know her mum is dead, but where are the rest of her family? Why are they not helping her?

If they took her in she would not be deemed a priority and would move down the housing list. Better to play the long game and stick out emergency accommodation to get that forever home

Paddy Cow · 20-10-2018 02:01PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

How can someone have 37 road traffic convictions ?

You loose your licence after 12 points.

Plenty of people still drive without a license. The question should be, how did she avoid jail time with 37 convictions? Clearly she wasn't taking it seriously. And that's only the 37 times she was caught!

Agent Smith · 20-10-2018 02:08PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

She has to be on Dancing with the Stars in January!

Couldnt be worse then Erin McGreggor....

NasserShammaz · 20-10-2018 02:14PM

Agent Smith wrote: »

Couldnt be worse then Erin McGreggor....

Are they not the same person

NIMAN · 20-10-2018 02:19PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

How can someone have 37 road traffic convictions ?

You loose your licence after 12 points.

Bear in mind that when you hear about people up in court and 'they have 38 previous convictions', this doesn't mean they have been up in court 38 times.

One time up in court could contain 3, 5, 10 convictions for example.

Say I was up in court for traffic offences, I might have been speeding initially, but when I was stopped, the Guard may have checked me and the car over, and I could also be getting done for no tax, no insurance, car unfit for road, dangerous driving etc...so they add up.

I have seen people in the local press here who have 200+ previous convictions and still not given jail time.

the_syco · 20-10-2018 02:31PM

Mondo from Dublin wrote: »

Why weren't her guardians jailed for not sending her to school?

Because they're travellers who don't abide by the law?

Effects wrote: »

It's not €51,000 either.

Are you claiming that the government taxes the welfare it gives to people?

Effects wrote: »

KevinCavan said she was getting €50k a year and free housing.
The figure is more like €36k and the remainder being the HAP payment for the 'free' housing.

She got the money to pay for the HAP for free. Thus, it's all free.

20-10-2018 02:32PM

KevinCavan wrote: »

€50,000 a year would go a long way, when you are living in free accommodation.

To be fair, it’s not actually €50,000 a year. That figure includes HAP which could be in the region of €1,000 a month, so in reality she’s on between €35,000 and €40,000 a year. Still a huge amount for someone who doesn’t want anything from the government, who incidentally are robbin her blind.

Roger Hassenforder · 20-10-2018 02:49PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

To be fair, it’s not actually €50,000 a year. That figure includes HAP which could be in the region of €1,000 a month, so in reality she’s on between €35,000 and €40,000 a year. Still a huge amount for someone who doesn’t want anything from the government, who incidentally are robbin her blind.

In fairness MA, she didnt expect anything from the government.

She's a major own goal in the liberal camp. Their golden girl exposed as a criminal. A major "Told you so" from the "right" aka, people who work for a living and are sick of it.

colm_mcm · 20-10-2018 02:51PM

I don’t think her previous convictions were a secret or anything.

Roger Hassenforder · 20-10-2018 02:52PM

colm_mcm wrote: »

I don’t think her previous convictions were a secret or anything.

First i heard of them was when this scandal broke.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.rte.ie/amp/985507/

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/homeless-children-spend-night-on-chairs-in-tallaght-garda-station-1.3590748?mode=amp

Etc.

You might be able to post something to the contrary, that supports your point?

20-10-2018 03:38PM

tayto lover wrote: »

He replaced Enda. So did Enda leave him the **** setup?

He's doing just ok in my opinion but he needs to stop telling lies ans exaggerating.

We all know who left behind the mess for the most recent two.

blanch152 · 20-10-2018 07:39PM

Effects wrote: »

It's not €51,000 either.
No point making up figures to drum up outrage. There's already enough actual reasons.

It is €36k after housing costs.

A single TD, after tax and other deductions, and paying €1,500 a month in rent for housing costs, is left with €30k after all that. I provided the figures earlier in the thread.

And Margaret Cash is the one saying the TDs are robbing her. You couldn't make it up.

A staff nurse with 5 years experience earns €36,383.
A garda with 5 years experience earns €42,392.

They are married to each other and have €59,586 after-tax income.
They are from Ballybrack and Sallynoggin but they have to live in Dunboyne, because they can't afford to live near their family, paying €1,500 in rent per month for a 2-bed apartment. €18k a year in rent leaves them €41,000 after tax per year. By the time they pay car insurance, car tax and car loan on two cars (because they believe you don't drive a car without tax and insurance), they have less money than Margaret Cash. A home of their own and children, with all the costs of childcare, are just a dream.

It is time that funding for the likes of Margaret Cash was cut and diverted to the likes of the nurse and garda who are contributing to keeping the country going.

Roger Hassenforder · 20-10-2018 07:47PM

blanch152 wrote: »

And Margaret Cash is the one saying the TDs are robbing her. You couldn't make it up.

A staff nurse with 5 years experience earns €36,383.
A garda with 5 years experience earns €42,392.

They are married to each other and have €59,586 after-tax income.
They are from Ballybrack and Sallynoggin but they have to live in Dunboyne, because they can't afford to live near their family, paying €1,500 in rent per month for a 2-bed apartment. €18k a year in rent leaves them €41,000 after tax per year. By the time they pay car insurance, car tax and car loan on two cars (because they believe you don't drive a car without tax and insurance), they have less money than Margaret Cash.

I reckon they dont have 38 convictions either

Gwynplaine · 20-10-2018 07:49PM

She should be spayed.

Eggs For Dinner · 20-10-2018 07:54PM

NIMAN wrote: »

One time up in court could contain 3, 5, 10 convictions for example.

Say I was up in court for traffic offences, I might have been speeding initially, but when I was stopped, the Guard may have checked me and the car over, and I could also be getting done for no tax, no insurance, car unfit for road, dangerous driving etc...so they add up.
.

Even if you got circa 10 convictions a time, you're talking about being caught multiple times with serious issues, which is utterly disgraceful and has potential to have a severe impact on those of us sharing the road with her. So angry about that

20-10-2018 07:55PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

I reckon they dont have 38 convictions either

Nah they Garda is the one arresting fcukers like cash and the nurse is tending to the travellers who have been bare knuckle boxing over a stray look Jimmys Mickey gave Willy’s Johnny

tayto lover · 20-10-2018 07:59PM

colm_mcm wrote: »

I don’t think her previous convictions were a secret or anything.

Indeed. You couldn't keep that many convictions secret.
Amazed she was never incarcerated.

Tipperary animal lover · 20-10-2018 07:59PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

To be fair, it’s not actually €50,000 a year. That figure includes HAP which could be in the region of €1,000 a month, so in reality she’s on between €35,000 and €40,000 a year. Still a huge amount for someone who doesn’t want anything from the government, who incidentally are robbin her blind.

In fairness Mary she might not be getting hap atm but she is getting B&B so that's probably costing more than hap so she's costing us more now....

punisher5112 · 20-10-2018 09:34PM

One other extra cost is the resources she is using up from charities also....

Penny's were extremely generous too.

Effects · 20-10-2018 11:57PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Amazed she was never incarcerated.

Because you get a truck load of chances before they’ll send you to prison.
A friend of mine used to defend people like this in court.
Some of them would complain it was hard to stay out of trouble with the money they get in handouts and no rent to pay.

Lash Into The Pints · 20-10-2018 11:58PM

I see the socialists' wealth redistribution policy has begun.

Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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