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Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

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  • #2612
    Ordinary man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,490 ✭✭✭Ordinary man


    joe40 wrote: »
    Casey is a joke at this stage especially if he talked about Varadkers Indian background. I don't know the context but can't think of any way it could be relevant.There are two things here. Traveller ethnic minority status, and traveller behaviour and lifestyle. They are distinct from each other.

    The ethnic minority status was granted by the government, and was not opposed by any elected representatives. He had no reason to challenge that, nor was he qualified to do so.In terms of behaviour and culture there are undoubtedly serious issues, but they will only be solved by better law enforcement and also the state dealing with genuine issues. But critically there needs to be better leadership from within the traveller community.They need to face up to the problems, one concrete improvement would be to ensure children stay in school.

    I think Casey's point about varadker is how his family managed to come to our country and in one generation they raised a son who acted and was accepted as an ordinary irishman. His family accepted our laws and customs and didn't look for special treatment or special status.

    Travellers refuse to blend in. They hide behind the excuse of customs to continue illegal practices like sulky racing, feuding and bare knuckle boxing. They expect to be allowed to produce big families even though they can't afford to have them.

    Imo Casey's point was that there should not be any special groups receiving or asking for special treatment. The same standards should be expected for all living here no matter what ethnic group they are part of.


  • #2613
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,085 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Suckit wrote: »
    You're very selective in your replies..

    Anyway, it could be argued, how much would the stables have cost them?

    And integrating them into society (which is obviously what they were/are trying to do after classifying them differently last year)?

    Would the cost outweigh the benefits (as the government see it)?


    Do you mean the council? As in the council pay for the stables? :eek:
    You realize the councils are funded by tax.
    You realize tax is generated off the back of people working hard and making sacrifices right?

    Nah you couldn’t be suggesting the council pay for the stables.........


  • #2614
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,673 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    PikeyPoint wrote: »
    But this is true.

    What is 'true'?


  • #2615
    paw patrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    I see casey is in to 66/1 with paddy power - this is in from 500/1 last week and 100/1 yesterday morning.

    12/1 betting without Higgins which is in from 16/1 yesterday morning.


    momentum, methinks.


  • #2616
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Any response to all the questions asking you for your evidence that Casey is racist?

    Throw up any quotes I haven't answered already and I'll get round to them eventually.

    Are you this needy in real life?


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  • #2617
    goat2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,939 ✭✭✭goat2


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    He said travellers are not ethnically different, wrong: the Irish state (you and me technically) recognise their ethnic status.
    He said they camp on land that doesn't belong to them: wrong - 83% of travellers are in permanent housing. So only 'some' camp on land that doesn't belong to them.

    He basically generalised about a community and incited the hate speech you see here and elsewhere.
    He then backed away from his comments and may withdraw from the election completely.

    I do not recognise anyone born in this country as ethnic, they are Irish, I am Irish, no difference,


  • #2618
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    dav3 wrote:
    Throw up any quotes I haven't answered already and I'll get round to them eventually.


    You didn't any questions where you were asked why you called Casey a racist. To use another posters term ' you ran away'. So would you like to explain why you called Casey a racist?


  • #2619
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    paw patrol wrote: »
    I see casey is in to 66/1 with paddy power - this is in from 500/1 last week and 100/1 yesterday morning.

    12/1 betting without Higgins which is in form 16/1 yesterday morning.


    momentum, methinks.
    Casey at 66/1.
    For anyone who doesn't understand how betting works that means if you put 10euro on Casey you lose 10 euro


  • #2620
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Peter seems to have a penchant for saying what he thinks, whether it is true or not.

    So in him saying "we should all be treated the same", its not true?
    You're saying we shouldnt be treated the same?
    That we must treat people differently, give them special treatment and privilige...

    The difficulty certain people are having is he has uttered a clear truth about a group, that is media /establishment heresy to criticize. So they've to resort to screaming "racist".

    Was at a match this morning. A lot of people seem to agree with him. Some might not like him personally, but agree with his sentiments and refusal to back down. The inlaws called over for lunch. Ditto.


  • #2621
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Christ Francie if they take the same route as the Cash woman will there be a big enough waiting room in any Tipperary Garda Station to hold them all?

    Maybe she can move in with the Tipperary families


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  • #2622
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    That exists all across society. Where have you been?

    They are not getting the 'stables and land' they allegedly demanded. No special treatment there then.

    Should they have gotten the land/stables?


  • #2623
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,673 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    paw patrol wrote: »
    I see casey is in to 66/1 with paddy power - this is in from 500/1 last week and 100/1 yesterday morning.

    12/1 betting without Higgins which is in form 16/1 yesterday morning.


    momentum, methinks.

    He was 66/1 all day yesterday too.


  • #2624
    mvl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭mvl


    just realizing there is a dedicated thread on "Politics Cafe 2.0" with the subject Peter Casey tells it like it is

    wonder what is the difference between this and that :)

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057920845


  • #2625
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,673 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    So in him saying "we should all be treated the same", its not true?
    You're saying we shouldnt be treated the same?
    That we must treat people differently, give them special treatment and privilige...

    The difficulty certain people are having is he has uttered a clear truth about a group, that is media /establishment heresy to criticize. So they've to resort to screaming "racist".

    Was at a match this morning. A lot of people seem to agree with him. Some might not like him personally, but agree with his sentiments and refusal to back down. The inlaws called over for lunch. Ditto.

    We are not all treated the same. That is wrong.

    If I go into a hospital on a medical card I am treated differently to somebody with private health insurance.
    Many other examples across this state.

    He made a blanket generalised statement about travellers and that is wrong and I would expect and demand that public reps call him out for it. If he had said it about any other group I would demand the same.


  • #2626
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    Ordinary man wrote: »
    joe40 wrote: »
    Casey is a joke at this stage especially if he talked about Varadkers Indian background. I don't know the context but can't think of any way it could be relevant.There are two things here. Traveller ethnic minority status, and traveller behaviour and lifestyle. They are distinct from each other.

    The ethnic minority status was granted by the government, and was not opposed by any elected representatives. He had no reason to challenge that, nor was he qualified to do so.In terms of behaviour and culture there are undoubtedly serious issues, but they will only be solved by better law enforcement and also the state dealing with genuine issues. But critically there needs to be better leadership from within the traveller community.They need to face up to the problems, one concrete improvement would be to ensure children stay in school.

    I think Casey's point about varadker is how his family managed to come to our country and in one generation they raised a son who acted and was accepted as an ordinary irishman. His family accepted our laws and customs and didn't look for special treatment or special status.

    Travellers refuse to blend in. They hide behind the excuse of customs to continue illegal practices like sulky racing, feuding and bare knuckle boxing. They expect to be allowed to produce big families even though they can't afford to have them.

    Imo Casey's point was that there should not be any special groups receiving or asking for special treatment. The same standards should be expected for all living here no matter what ethnic group they are part of.
    Indians are an ethnic group. Having ethnic minority status does not automatically confer any privileges


  • #2627
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,673 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    Should they have gotten the land/stables?

    If the council agreed to it, yes they should.

    If the council didn't agree to it, no they shouldn't.


  • #2628
    paw patrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    joe40 wrote: »
    Casey at 66/1.
    For anyone who doesn't understand how betting works that means if you put 10euro on Casey you lose 10 euro

    I think you missed my point. But fire away.
    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    He was 66/1 all day yesterday too.

    he was 100/1 around 6:00am - must changed later.
    I guess those of us are up early in the morning in order to earn taxes to pay for others - benefit from longer odds. :pac:


  • #2629
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    We are not all treated the same. That is wrong.

    If I go into a hospital on a medical card I am treated differently to somebody with private health insurance.
    Many other examples across this state.

    He made a blanket generalised statement about travellers and that is wrong and I would expect and demand that public reps call him out for it. If he had said it about any other group I would demand the same.

    I agree we are not all treated the same. That is wrong.


    He said "we should be treated the same"
    Is that wrong? Do you agree with that sentiment?

    Should the travellers have gotten the free land/stables?


  • #2630
    TerrorFirmer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭TerrorFirmer


    Ordinary man wrote: »
    I think Casey's point about varadker is how his family managed to come to our country and in one generation they raised a son who acted and was accepted as an ordinary irishman. His family accepted our laws and customs and didn't look for special treatment or special status.

    Travellers refuse to blend in. They hide behind the excuse of customs to continue illegal practices like sulky racing, feuding and bare knuckle boxing. They expect to be allowed to produce big families even though they can't afford to have them.

    Imo Casey's point was that there should not be any special groups receiving or asking for special treatment. The same standards should be expected for all living here no matter what ethnic group they are part of.

    That was exactly his point, in fact while making that point he was talking about a conversation with a Pakistani taxi driver who was saying how his children are as Irish as they come and wouldn't wanted to be treated as anything different.

    The Indo has a disgracefully, deliberately dishonest headline on social media - "Casey tells 'Indian' Varadkar to 'shut his trap'".


  • #2631
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    FrancieBrady wrote:
    If the council agreed to it, yes they should.


    So we can't build homes for the 1000's that are homeless but you'd be happy to see taxpayers money used to build stables. Wow.


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  • #2632
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    If the council agreed to it, yes they should.

    If the council didn't agree to it, no they shouldn't.

    Nicely ducked.

    If the Council agreed/disagreed its irrelevant, we're not privy to any discussions.


    So in your opinion, do you think the travellers should have gotten the land?


  • #2633
    goat2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,939 ✭✭✭goat2


    I believe everyone deserves a place to call home, and be safe in that home,
    But I don't believe anyone deserves a stable , land on the tax of others.
    there are too many without homes,
    they need taking care of,


  • #2634
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    paw patrol wrote: »
    joe40 wrote: »
    Casey at 66/1.
    For anyone who doesn't understand how betting works that means if you put 10euro on Casey you lose 10 euro

    I think you missed my point. But fire away.
    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    He was 66/1 all day yesterday too.

    he was 100/1 around 6:00am - must changed later.
    I guess those of us are up early in the morning in order to earn taxes to pay for others - benefit from longer odds. :pac:
    I get your point it was just a joke.


  • #2635
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,673 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    I agree we are not all treated the same. That is wrong.


    He said "we should be treated the same"
    Is that wrong? Do you agree with that sentiment?

    Should the travellers have gotten the free land/stables?

    Well I do believe that society needs to treat different groups differently at times.

    If a group is marginalised or an area deprived then yes, in the humane caring society that I want to live in, yes sometimes you need to treat people unequally.

    And again, I fully understand and agree that some use this to their advantage, right across society. Travellers abuse it, settled people abuse it, wealthy developers will abuse special area designations etc.

    Hope that point of view is understandable.


  • #2636
    vonlars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭vonlars


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    What penalty would you like for people found guilty of incitement to hatred?

    I know you think Casey is eligible for sainthood but generally, what do you think the penalty should be?

    To be honest, if Kissane got away with making a Facebook page called ‘Promote the use of knacker babies as shark bait’, I wouldn’t hold out hope of Casey being done for pointing out the truth.


  • #2637
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,673 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    Nicely ducked.

    If the Council agreed/disagreed its irrelevant, we're not privy to any discussions.


    So in your opinion, do you think the travellers should have gotten the land?

    Sorry, can you further explain how I ducked anything?


  • #2638
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Well I do believe that society needs to treat different groups differently at times.

    If a group is marginalised or an area deprived then yes, in the humane caring society that I want to live in, yes sometimes you need to treat people unequally.

    And again, I fully understand and agree that some use this to their advantage, right across society. Travellers abuse it, settled people abuse it, wealthy developers will abuse special area designations etc.

    Hope that point of view is understandable.

    While i agree resources should follow genuine need, it should be outcome based rather than pandering.

    But what you are essentially saying is they should have gotten the land?

    Fair enough thats your opinion. But its interesting that you think a local authority with a limited budget should put horses above others with a housing need, because something culture.


    My grandfather was a harbourmaster, we've a seafaring culture in my family, but my dad had tinnitus, got very seasick, so "settled" on land. But wheres my culturally appropriate accomadation with boathouse and moorings for my clipper? And one for my whole family..?


  • #2639
    q85dw7osi4lebg
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭q85dw7osi4lebg


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Sorry, can you further explain how I ducked anything?

    Don't ruin your weekend by spending it on Boards Francie. We get it, you want MDH to win.


  • #2640
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Sorry, can you further explain how I ducked anything?

    You didnt answer the question!
    (You subsequently fudged again, but i think i got your view).


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  • #2641
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    using state funds to supply people with stables for their horses while the state is struggling to house actual humans would be deeply immoral and anyone who would support this is an immoral person.


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