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Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

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  • #2432
    TOMs WIFE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭TOMs WIFE


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Casey was right, Leo should shut his mouth.

    Sorry if repeating, but Varadkar said voters should send Casey a "very clear message at the ballot box". That's what I'm doing Leo when I vote for him. I'd love to see Leo having to fawn over Casey if elected. Pipe dream probably but here's hoping.


  • #2433
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,679 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    And you’re here every day defending Sinn Fein/IRA terrosist attrocities.

    Unbelievable.

    I never defended an 'atrocity' in my life Wheelie, nor the IRA. I have defended SF on some of their policy but not all.

    Let's keep the discussion honest please.


  • #2434
    goat2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,939 ✭✭✭goat2


    Ten Pin wrote: »
    Indo seem to be referring to a Galway Bay FM interview, couldn't find anything on GBFM or SoundCloud without listening to a full program. Maybe someone knows a better way to find the specific interview being referred to.

    Anyway, there was a clip of it played by either Newstalk, Todayfm or RTE yesterday and all that clip contained was Casey telling Leo to keep out of the election.

    Casey was right, Leo is not running in this election,


  • #2435
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    FrancieBrady wrote:
    Let's keep the discussion honest please.


    You weren't interested in honesty when you misquoted another poster last night. He even stopped replying to you because of your behaviour.


  • #2436
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,086 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The next poll will certainly be interesting.

    I have worked hard to populate my social media and twitter feeds with a cross section of Irish opinion and views (and world wide too) and I am honestly not seeing a groundswell of support for him in the way I have seen it before.
    You could tell what way the Same Sex Marriage would go and the Abortion Ref.

    Unless people are staying silent I can't see him rise above 8-10%. But who knows.

    I think people are staying silent because they’re scared ****less of what people will think when they mention something remotely controversial. Although controversial these days has lost all meaning and that’s down to the media.


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  • #2437
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,679 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    You weren't interested in honesty when you misquoted another poster last night. He even stopped replying to you because of your behaviour.

    Did I run away, or take the weekend off?

    I immediately replied to that poster and said I parsed their post and quoted in full what they did say.

    He said he was 'stopping replying' but continued to.


  • #2438
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,086 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I think that his comments beyond his initial point about ethnicity were ill-judged and unleashed a lot of fairly useless (in solving the problems) and dangerous hate speech. (read this thread as an example)

    Where is the hate speech in this thread? I think fairly reasonable points and truths have been stated in this thread.


  • #2439
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,679 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Where is the hate speech in this thread? I think fairly reasonable points and truths have been stated in this thread.

    I clicked into a random page and found this:
    Many many people would just so dearly love to put manners on these obnoxious, violent inbreeds.

    Why can't we?

    I also accept there is reasonable and truthful posts too.


  • #2440
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    tom1ie wrote:
    Where is the hate speech in this thread? I think fairly reasonable points and truths have been stated in this thread.


    There is none but won't stop certain individuals from lying and claiming there is.


  • #2441
    goat2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,939 ✭✭✭goat2


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Taking a positive realistic approach makes you a 'bleeding heart'.
    Stand aside and let the boot boys deal with it, I think you mean Brendy.

    While it might satisfy your inner lusts, it won't solve the issues, if you allow history to teach you anything.

    Equality for all is the issue Mr Casey was having, when people need a home, and one is provided, then you have some of the people asking for far too much, Stables for horses or whatever, than that is not being fair to the tax paying pockets.
    I am now wondering would I have been better off if I never bothered to work,

    Between having to pay for medical, mortgage, education for children, and God knows what else.

    Life would have been one big holiday


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  • #2442
    TOMs WIFE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭TOMs WIFE


    Media (Paul Williams etc) bandwagoning on "widespread calls for him to withdraw", but not much reporting of widespread support which is quite clear.


  • #2443
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Where is the hate speech in this thread? I think fairly reasonable points and truths have been stated in this thread.
    tretorn wrote: »
    I personally think the travellers are all of sub normal intellect.
    tretorn wrote: »
    You can see the inbreeding in their features

    The mod on duty at the time decided to ignore the reports. What can you do when they're encouraging this behaviour.


  • #2444
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    dav3 wrote:
    The mod on duty at the time decided to ignore the reports. What can you do when they're encouraging this behaviour.


    Are you hoping to get threads shut down?


  • #2445
    goat2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,939 ✭✭✭goat2


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I think that his comments beyond his initial point about ethnicity were ill-judged and unleashed a lot of fairly useless (in solving the problems) and dangerous hate speech. (read this thread as an example)
    He only told the truth with proof to back up what he was on about.
    I think people jump on these bandwagons fairly fast, Calling a person that is Irish like me a different culture or race is codswallop,
    If you are Irish, you are same as me and every other Irish person on this land,


    Entitled to the same as everyone else, not more


  • #2446
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,679 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    goat2 wrote: »
    Equality for all is the issue Mr Casey was having, when people need a home, and one is provided, then you have some of the people asking for far too much, Stables for horses or whatever, than that is not being fair to the tax paying pockets.
    I am now wondering would I have been better off if I never bothered to work,

    Between having to pay for medical, mortgage, education for children, and God knows what else.

    Life would have been one big holiday

    Laying the blame for the abuses of welfare and crime at the door of one community is where you start to slide into hate speech and discrimination. It undermines our democracy. That is why we have legislation to deal with hate speech.


  • #2447
    goat2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,939 ✭✭✭goat2


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Laying the blame for the abuses of welfare and crime at the door of one community is where you start to slide into hate speech and discrimination. It undermines our democracy. That is why we have legislation to deal with hate speech.

    What are you talking about,
    What blame, the door of who,
    What Hate speech

    I have listened to all speeches, did not get a hint of hate in any.

    You don't have a clue what your speaking of , just going round in circles.


  • #2448
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,086 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Laying the blame for the abuses of welfare and crime at the door of one community is where you start to slide into hate speech and discrimination. It undermines our democracy. That is why we have legislation to deal with hate speech.

    But I’m not sure what hate speech Mr Casey said, that you state he said? He said the travelers in question shouldn’t be entitled to land for their horses and that they shouldn’t be classed as an ethnic minority.
    Science seems to back up Mr Casey’s argument regarding the genetics and why should they be entitled to land for their horses? They should be able to get what every other person in the land is able to get from the welfare system, no more no less.
    I fail to see the hate speech.


  • #2449
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Genuine request Maryanne, can you link me to one commentator/journalist/ public rep etc supporting him, because I genuinely cannot find one.

    I doubt that there is one. People are wary of voicing opinions against those who shout loudest! You see the outcry at his comments. He was cheered most in Pat Kenny’s debate. It’s sad that people are afraid to voice their opinions.


  • #2450
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,679 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    goat2 wrote: »
    What are you talking about,
    What blame, the door of who,
    What Hate speech

    I have listened to all speeches, did not get a hint of hate in any.

    You don't have a clue what your speaking of , just going round in circles.

    Already quoted some of the hate speech just on this thread as did another poster.


  • #2451
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,679 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    tom1ie wrote: »
    But I’m not sure what hate speech Mr Casey said, that you state he said? He said the travelers in question shouldn’t be entitled to land for their horses and that they shouldn’t be classed as an ethnic minority.
    Science seems to back up Mr Casey’s argument regarding the genetics and why should they be entitled to land for their horses? They should be able to get what every other person in the land is able to get from the welfare system, no more no less.
    I fail to see the hate speech.

    Science backs him up?

    Can you explain?


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  • #2452
    goat2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,939 ✭✭✭goat2


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Science backs him up?

    Can you explain?

    The same, we here in this land are all the same


  • #2453
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,679 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    goat2 wrote: »
    The same, we here in this land are all the same

    You said 'Science backed him up'
    What 'science'?


  • #2454
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    I don't think you'll get context off Dav3 he spent most of yesterday avoiding answering any of the claims he made. Told several porkies though. So honesty is not his bag.

    Maybe Peter can just say he was being satirical if he called Leo the liar an Indian.


  • #2455
    judeboy101
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭judeboy101


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    You said 'Science backed him up'
    What 'science'?

    Genetic investigations showed they are not a genetically distinct race, anymore than Donegal gaeltacht ppl are genetically distinct from cork gaelgoirs.


  • #2456
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,679 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    judeboy101 wrote: »
    Genetic investigations showed they are not a genetically distinct race, anymore than Donegal gaeltacht ppl are genetically distinct from cork gaelgoirs.

    Where are these investigations? Link


  • #2457
    judeboy101
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭judeboy101


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Where are these investigations? Link

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Travellers

    Descended from Irish and a sub group due to inbreeding within the sub culture.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0209/851399-irish-traveller-genetics/


  • #2458
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    People have had enough.

    84% on the live register.
    House break-ins one last night in fact by somebody I know the 2nd in less than a year.
    Intimidation and threatening behaviour is the norm in this so-called community.
    Extra state money is spent on these people that others far more deserving could not dream of.
    Venues wreaked at their weddings and funerals.

    Their lifestyle for lack of a better word is a blight on the country and to say they contribute nothing is a gross understatement.


    Hate speech discrimination yeah right everybody knows this is total bollox.
    The fact the rest of society is forced to subsidise this is outraging.

    This is why all discussion is shouted down as hate speech and racism everybody and their dog knows this so-called community is terrified of being subject to fair scrutiny.


  • #2459
    All Seeing Eye
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 330 ✭✭All Seeing Eye


    They say there are about 40000 travellers in Ireland. It’s amazing that such a small minority can cast such a big shadow over the country. One way this can be seen is the amount of traveller proofing you see around the country. Most public lands, car parks, parks and private development land has to be traveller proofed with barriers, bollards, rocks, security gates etc. to make sure travellers can’t get in. We take it for granted but this is not the case in other countries. Next time you drive around take a second look and you’ll notice these features all for the benefit of stopping travellers occupying lands that aren’t theirs.


  • #2460
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,679 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    judeboy101 wrote: »
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Travellers

    Descended from Irish and a sub group due to inbreeding within the sub culture.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0209/851399-irish-traveller-genetics/

    Did you miss the most recent DNA analysis there:
    Irish Travellers are a distinct Irish ethnic minority
    The government have recognised that.


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  • #2461
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    CinemaGuy45 wrote:
    This is why all discussion is shouted down as hate speech and racism everybody and their dog knows this so-called community is terrified of being subject to fair scrutiny.


    Several posters here who have called Casey a racist have so far refused to back up their claims, also applies to their claims of hate speech from Casey.


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