Huddersfield grooming case

Stephen15 · 19-10-2018 11:13PM

Lady Spangles wrote: »

Mosques are perfectly legal, the first one in Britain opening during the reign of Queen Victoria. The men who killed the soldier are in prison and will never be free. The guy who blew up the Ariana Grande concert killed himself; the Muslim council of Britain made a unanimous decision to deny him his burial rites. Meanwhile, Mi5 and GCHQ monitor extremists very closely. They're not just being left to run riot and many plots have been foiled.

Meanwhile, as I stated earlier, there are millions of Muslims living in Britain who have no involvement in terrorism of any kind. Those guys are cool, so let them be. If any turn rogue, go get them. It's quite simple. The same goes for any group of people. The minute violence is used, they're in breach of the law and will be brought to account BY the law. The law, not loud mouthed thugs.

Oh really yes there may be good Muslims but they are obviously born into an oppressive ideology. Mohammed married and shagged a 9 year old but the left say that was the norm back then and Islam is the religion of peace blah dee blah dee blah complete nonsense a 9 year has always been and always will be a child.

Here's quotes from Quran

“This Book is not to be doubted…. As for the unbelievers, it is the same whether or not you forewarn them; they will not have faith. God has set a seal upon their hearts and ears; their sight is dimmed and grievous punishment awaits them.” Quran 2:1/2:6-2:10

"Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and messengers, to Gabriel and Michael,- Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith".

33:60 "They [Kafirs] will be cursed, and wherever they are found, they will be seized and murdered. It was Allah’s same practice with those who came before them, and you will ﬁnd no change in Allah’s ways."

There you all quotes from the glorious Quran. That is what they think of us we are the kuffar they hate us they want to wipe us out even if they don't say to our face. If they don't wipe us out with the sword they'll outbread us it's happening look at the mosque they built in Cologne there recently opened by none other than Raccip Erdogan the same country which could soon be in the EU. We shouldn't be allowing we need to look to Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic, Austria and Italy to help prevent an Islamic Caliphate being set up here.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45692666

Lady Spangles · 19-10-2018 11:19PM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Almost all serious crime trials are reported by the media with cameras outside the court. I haven't seen a case collapse over that. Have you?

I think the operative word there is "almost" all serious crime trials. In this case, the judge ordered a media blackout to ensure the perpetrators could not claim an unfair trial. As I said, I have provided you with links to articles that clearly explain the situation. The fact is, Robinson nearly screwed this whole thing up.

Dunston · 19-10-2018 11:22PM

Lady Spangles wrote: »

And in doing so, he jeopardised the whole case. Don't you understand that? He was in contempt of court. By running off at the mouth, the whole trial could have been thrown out of court and those "men" would still be walking free, contacting vulnerable children right now.

I understand perfectly. Media breach reporting restrictions constantly and fines are the common punishment. Robinson was careful not to report anything that wasn't already in the public domain. There was plenty more he could have said/done to properly put the trial at risk but that wasn't his intention. The fact is he didn't destroy the court case and the men have been convicted although not all of them will face justice unfortunately.

Lady Spangles · 19-10-2018 11:23PM

Stephen15 wrote: »

Oh really yes there may be good Muslims but they are obviously born into an oppressive ideology. Mohammed married and shagged a 9 year old but the left say that was the norm back then and Islam is the religion of peace blah dee blah dee blah complete nonsense a 9 year has always been and always will be a child.

Here's quotes from Quran

“This Book is not to be doubted…. As for the unbelievers, it is the same whether or not you forewarn them; they will not have faith. God has set a seal upon their hearts and ears; their sight is dimmed and grievous punishment awaits them.” Quran 2:1/2:6-2:10

"Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and messengers, to Gabriel and Michael,- Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith".

33:60 "They [Kafirs] will be cursed, and wherever they are found, they will be seized and murdered. It was Allah’s same practice with those who came before them, and you will ﬁnd no change in Allah’s ways."

There you all quotes from the glorious Quran. That is what they think of us we are the kuffar they hate us they want to wipe us out even if they don't say to our face. If they don't wipe us out with the sword they'll outbread us it's happening look at the mosque they built in Cologne there recently opened by none other than Raccip Erdogan the same country which could soon be in the EU. We shouldn't be allowing we need to look to Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic, Austria and Italy to help prevent an Islamic Caliphate being set up here.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45692666

I'm not entering into a game of selective quotes with you. I just cannot be ar$ed. But surely you don't need me to point out that all religious holy books are pretty dodgy on the violence front? And surely you don't need me to point out that Islam, like Christianity, is just another Abrahamic faith. All of them are just fleas leaping off the same dead dog.

nullzero · 19-10-2018 11:25PM

Lady Spangles wrote: »

I'm not entering into a game of selective quotes with you. I just cannot be ar$ed. But surely you don't need me to point out that all religious holy books are pretty dodgy on the violence front? And surely you don't need me to point out that Islam, like Christianity, is just another Abrahamic faith. All of them are just fleas leaping off the same dead dog.

As an impartial observer your argument is pretty week here I'm afraid.

Dunston · 19-10-2018 11:30PM

Lady Spangles wrote: »

I think the operative word there is "almost" all serious crime trials. In this case, the judge ordered a media blackout to ensure the perpetrators could not claim an unfair trial. As I said, I have provided you with links to articles that clearly explain the situation. The fact is, Robinson nearly screwed this whole thing up.

The same judge that after listening to weeks of evidence from 15 kids of the torture and rape they endured and deemed these men not to be flight risks and worthy of bail to spend time with their families and other children. Maybe Robinson wouldn't have felt the need to broadcast the case if these men were held in custody.

Kristopherus · 19-10-2018 11:30PM

puppieperson1 wrote: »

chemically castrated would be better it really would putting them down is too quick cut off the machinery and leave a urinary tube!!

I'd get a Burdizzo to every one of them:mad:

Yer Da sells Avon · 19-10-2018 11:31PM

Stephen15 wrote: »

Trust me there is Tommy Robinson has plenty of support from ordinary decent British people but then mainstream media are too afraid to report on it.

Not among decent British people, he doesn't. He's a vainglorious thug with more interest in generating publicity for Tommy Robinson than in seeing justice being served on the perpetrators.

timthumbni · 19-10-2018 11:41PM

Looking at the pictures I’m sure there seems to be a somewhat common theme amongst them. I can’t quite put my finger on it but I’m sure it will come to me.

Gimme A Pound · 20-10-2018 12:11AM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Trust me on this if it were a 100m dash the Huddersfield case would win in the media race to sensation every time. These people come in all colours and creeds.

You were the first person to mention colour/creed. And you seemed more concerned with dashing in to say "Yeah well white people can do such things too" than the horrific things those girls were put through.

Nobody has suggested that white people aren't capable of such abuses - we all know full well of course white people can be. But the opening post of this thread is focusing on an organised group that happens to be comprised mostly (entirely?) of men who are of Pakistani origin. And it is just one of numerous operations. Their ethnicity keeps coming up, so why pretend it isn't relevant? As if it's just a coincidence? It points to a problem with females among a section of Pakistani culture. No it doesn't of course mean all Pakistani men and all Muslims are capable of such behaviour - the vast majority aren't. But how can it be ignored? There wouldn't be any problem with admitting it if they were all e.g. Italian Catholics - and people would acknowledge with no issue that that's more than a coincidence. Yes, racists will use it as a stick to beat Muslims with but they'd be racist with or without such information, and media suppression just gives them a different stick with which to beat Muslims.

This is organised misogyny by members of one particular group. That's the main concern - downplaying and whatabouting really are in poor taste. And yes I know there are people who don't give a toss about misogyny in the West and even belittle it but then get concerned about it from Muslims, but so what? It's just as cherrypicking as them to whatabout regarding cases like these.

ANDREWMUFC · 20-10-2018 12:15AM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Here's another pair of horrors but not nearly the coverage (white)

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/18/fred-and-rosemary-west-of-barry-sentenced-to-total-of-36-years

I hope you die a slow and painful death.

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irishproduce · 20-10-2018 12:39AM

I'd be fairly confident that these guys are in the minority who get caught.
There is manys a young girl in England who could recount similar incidents but the perpetrators aren't ever done for it.
Think about that.

20-10-2018 12:57AM

Stephen15 wrote: »

Oh really raping our girls and women, driving over innocent men, women and children, hacking a soldier to death in broad daylight, building imperialist mosques, letting off a nail bomb at a concert the list goes on isin't forcing their backward ideology on us. Guess that's the logic of the left.

No. It's not.
It's a few crazy people doing crazy things! They should & they are, so much as possible, dealt with as per the law.

sabat · 20-10-2018 01:01AM

ANDREWMUFC wrote: »

I hope you die a slow and painful death.

Just like your football team are doing?

Richard Hillman · 20-10-2018 01:05AM

The 'abuse was vile and wicked': 20 British men jailed for sexually abusing over a dozen girls http://jrnl.ie/4296418

"British", honestly they are trolling at this stage

20-10-2018 01:11AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The 'abuse was vile and wicked': 20 British men jailed for sexually abusing over a dozen girls http://jrnl.ie/4296418

"British", honestly they are trolling at this stage

Why?
Wete they not British?

PapaOscar · 20-10-2018 01:13AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The 'abuse was vile and wicked': 20 British men jailed for sexually abusing over a dozen girls http://jrnl.ie/4296418

"British", honestly they are trolling at this stage

At least the journal actually reported on it,i dont see a mention from RTE.

Richard Hillman · 20-10-2018 01:13AM

bubblypop wrote: »

Why?
Wete they not British?

No and you know that

PapaOscar · 20-10-2018 01:14AM

bubblypop wrote: »

Why?
Wete they not British?

That would be a question for the men themselves,id hazard a guess they identify as Pakistani.What do you reckon?

Kevin Finnerty · 20-10-2018 01:16AM

PapaOscar wrote: »

That would be a question for the men themselves, id hazard a guess they identify as Pakistani. What do you reckon?

But if they held British passports surely they're British no?

ANDREWMUFC · 20-10-2018 01:16AM

Bubblypop is a clown. Ask them and they’ll say they’re Pakistani.

So they’re Pakistani.

Yer Da sells Avon · 20-10-2018 01:18AM

timthumbni wrote: »

Looking at the pictures I’m sure there seems to be a somewhat common theme amongst them. I can’t quite put my finger on it but I’m sure it will come to me.

It wouldn't be the fact that they all have brown skin and are of south Asian extraction, would it? It may well be true that their race and religion resulted in the authorities being inexcusably slow to investigate them, but it is equally true that people like you are only interested in this case because you feel it validates the views you already hold on immigration, race and Islam.

PapaOscar · 20-10-2018 01:25AM

Kevin Finnerty wrote: »

But if they held British passports surely they're British no?

Not really,ive an Australian passport but im in no way Australian.
Its not hard to get a passport infact its fairly easy.

Yer Da sells Avon · 20-10-2018 01:28AM

How many of them were born in, or grew up in, Pakistan?

Kevin Finnerty · 20-10-2018 01:31AM

PapaOscar wrote: »

Not really, ive an Australian passport but im in no way Australian.

Its not hard to get a passport infact its fairly easy.

They're about as English as a fart in a monastery. Won't stop the press though.

2ndcoming · 20-10-2018 01:54AM

They are indisputably British as the children of empire. The fact that they ghettoized and retained a third world outlook a generation or two later is only a reflection on their lords and hosts policies towards them (Send them to the sh1tholes up north and let them at it).

France and Belgium have similar issues with their vassals, but maybe that's the price of plundering the world.

Pkiernan · 20-10-2018 02:26AM

The IRA rep is up late tonight.

terminator2018 · 20-10-2018 02:32AM

my best friend has 5 daughters growing up abroad in england
yes he worries about these type of gangs but he reckons they won't go near irish children cos they know what will happen if they do
that's the same reason they won't set up their operations over here
the english children have nobody to stand up for them

PapaOscar · 20-10-2018 02:35AM

2ndcoming wrote: »

They are indisputably British as the children of empire. The fact that they ghettoized and retained a third world outlook a generation or two later is only a reflection on their lords and hosts policies towards them (Send them to the sh1tholes up north and let them at it).

France and Belgium have similar issues with their vassals, but maybe that's the price of plundering the world.

Ffs,so much naivety in one post.
Hard to tell if serious or not.

PapaOscar · 20-10-2018 02:36AM

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

How many of them were born in, or grew up in, Pakistan?

Not sure.Why?
What difference does it make?

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