The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

BonnieSituation · 18-10-2018 10:50AM

mikemac2 wrote: »

Brady, Rodgers and Roethlisberger have wins against 31 teams. They of course have spent their careers at one franchise

Drew Brees of the Chargers & Saints could become the first player to win against 32 teams but first he must win against Baltimore this week. He is 0-4 against the Ravens

Kerry Collins jointly holds that record with wins against 31 teams. He never beat the Dolphins

I thought it was interesting. I also think the Ravens D will keep Brees from that record :cool:

I thought favre managed that feat when he beat GB while at Vikings?

And Peyton Manning did it too.

mikemac2 · 18-10-2018 10:56AM

You are correct. Post deleted

Always Be Closing · 18-10-2018 12:18PM

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Maybe focus your “filth” characterization on the abuser.
I just hate people who beat up women. Maybe you don’t.

"filth"

:rolleyes:

He was 19. We all make mistakes

Has he re-offended since?

eagle eye · 18-10-2018 12:31PM

So if he murdered somebody at 19 then it's just a mistake?
If not then why would beating a pregnant woman be just a mistake?

Also the guy that threw the drink is only 21 or 22, is that different because he is two to three years older?

Knex* · 18-10-2018 01:02PM

I didn't think the whole Tyreek Hill being an absolute scumbag was up for debate?

He is. End of.

Hell of a football player, however.

Foxtrol · 18-10-2018 01:08PM

bruschi wrote: »

thats some revisionism right there. He runs in safe from about the ten yard line and goes in a straight line right through the end zone, and another at least 10 yards out the end zone. So give 30 yards, he wasnt able to stop? Or run along the end line of the end zone? He knew what he was doing. It doesnt mean he should have beer thrown on him, but he did not have to run straight into the fans at the endzone. Again, it absolutely does not excuse it happening, and irrespective of his past, nothing makes it right. But Hill making such a big deal out of this is very odd.

What I dont get, well maybe I do, but how has this blown up into such huge news? A quick search has results for it happening to Ingram at Buffalo, Jefferson at Jacksonville, Andrews at Pittsburgh, Tate at Cincinnati, Bowman at Seattle, Charles at Oakland and I'm sure more besides those if I bothered searching properly. There are dickhead fans everywhere doing dickhead things, how this is still making major headline news reports 4 days later is absurd.

Where’s the major headline news 4 days later? A quick google and nearly every major site news story about it is from 2 or 3 days ago and all the ones from 2 days ago were due to the Patriots releasing their own statement that day. It might be still on the local news in Boston but no one else cares.

The only reason it appeared here yesterday was because it was brought up by a Patriots fan who posted every excuse under the sun for the idiot that threw the beer.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 18-10-2018 01:30PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

The only reason it appeared here yesterday was because it was brought up by a Patriots fan who posted every excuse under the sun for the idiot that threw the beer.

It appeared here yesterday cause someone called the fan “a complete and utter fcking idiot”.
What exactly is your issue with the Pats?

j8wk2feszrnpao · 18-10-2018 01:34PM

Always Be Closing wrote: »

"filth"

:rolleyes:

You introduced the “filth” term, but don’t seem to want to apply it to someone that beat up a women. Eyeroll right back at you.

Always Be Closing wrote: »

He was 19. We all make mistakes

Has he re-offended since?

You have a different understanding of “mistake” than I do. I’ve made mistakes, not serious criminal offenses.

Adamocovic · 18-10-2018 01:37PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Where’s the major headline news 4 days later? A quick google and nearly every major site news story about it is from 2 or 3 days ago and all the ones from 2 days ago were due to the Patriots releasing their own statement that day. It might be still on the local news in Boston but no one else cares.

The only reason it appeared here yesterday was because it was brought up by a Patriots fan who posted every excuse under the sun for the idiot that threw the beer.

I don't like the Patriots at all and sorry for dragging it out again but I think some of the reactions about it were over the top.

Comments from his agent like:
"Players have to be protected. We want that fan to be prosecuted."
You'd swear he was in some sort of danger.

Receiving a ban from the Patriots organisation I thought was sufficient enough, Hill and his agent pusuring legal action I find over the top even if they are entitled to do so.

Maybe I'm wrong here but fans throwing food and drink isn't a rare occurance. What about Quinton Jefferson last year, I don't remember the reaction being as serious to the fans invovled. Also Pats say he broke one of their fan codes of conduct. Just looking at it I'm sure many broke these, hell in the video pretty much all the fans are by giving the finger.

•Exhibiting behavior that is unruly, disruptive, irresponsible or illegal in nature
•Using foul, abusive or offensive language or making obscene gestures
•Interfering with any ongoing event, business activity or the enjoyment of others
•Engaging in public drunkenness
•Verbally or physically harassing any of our guests or staff
•Engaging in solicitation
•Smoking (Gillette Stadium is a non-smoking facility)

Now the fan is a twat, and will rightfully be banned from the stadium but it's hard for me to agree with a guy with Hill's money and history pursuing legal action against a 22 year old who threw some beer at him after he tried to get a reaction from them. Maybe I have selective memory on the previous incidents or maybe I'm letting my dislike of Hill cloud my judgement but I think it's understandable why many fans would see it as overkill to pursue legal action against the guy.

MileHighGuy · 18-10-2018 02:10PM

I think the reason this particular incident seemed more newsworthy, was that it was in a nationally televised prime time game, and had a visceral, personal feel to it, moreso that say, a fan throwing a drink from the upper tiers, which we see frequently.

To those that say, no harm was done etc. spitting in a person's face does no harm, and yet we still feel it is a taboo act that has crossed (an imaginary) line. These things can escalate quickly.... Malace at the Palace Well worth a read. I remember it happening. I actually like that justice was meted out swiftly!!

I believe the legal action is being initiated by Gillette Stadium themselves, not Tyreek Hill, although he seems happy to cooperate. That's his business regardless of his past.

I find it odd that posters are saying they are not trying to excuse or defend the fan's action when saying....

He was drunk
He was young
Hill was taunting
Hill is a POS and deserved it
It happens everywhere.
It's an over reaction.

...which are all an attempt to defend his actions. They also all happen to be true (apart from the taunting, that's BS)

Adamocovic · 18-10-2018 02:24PM

MileHighGuy wrote: »

I find it odd that posters are saying they are not trying to excuse or defend the fan's action when saying....

He was drunk
He was young
Hill was taunting
Hill is a POS and deserved it
It happens everywhere.
It's an over reaction.

...which are all an attempt to defend his actions. They also all happen to be true (apart from the taunting, that's BS)

It's obviously down to opinion but I don't think looking at the entire picture and disagreeing with the severity of the punishment as the exact same as defending his actions.

I'm sure most agree he was an idiot, and shouldn't have done it. Most also would agree that a stadium ban and punishment down those lines are more than well-deserved.

Like I said above though, personally think pursuing legal action against him and the comments from Hill's agent are over the top. Maybe they want to make an example out of this fan as like you said he is more clearly identifiable than the previous incidences of this.

Adamocovic · 18-10-2018 02:37PM

Back to actual football.

I know Joseph has said Keenum is their guy but how much longer do people think until Chad Kelly gets the nod for Broncos?

4 straight losses, Keenum has improved over the last two games but I think this next one will be big for him. Normally when the coach comes out in my eyes and says he's sticking with you it's a sign thart your time is running out unless you do something to prove that statement right.

Fans seem to be turning anyway!

bruschi · 18-10-2018 04:06PM

MileHighGuy wrote: »

It happens everywhere.
It's an over reaction.

...which are all an attempt to defend his actions.

I mentioned the issues that happened elsewhere. It was not to defend him, moreso to query why this has garnered so much publicity than all the other times. You mentioned because it was a prime time game, but watching the game, I didnt even cop it happened, it was only afterwards that I saw reports on it. I do believe it is an over reaction to it all. I get the Malice in the Palace reference, but its not the same, that is where players are very very close to fans and not wearing full football gear either.

The fact that a google search of the game brings up the 3 top stories on the front page of google for being about the beer throwing incident, in a 40-43 shootout with a kick as time expired says enough.

anyway, I acknowledge me still talking about it is only furthering a pointless discussion, so I wont comment again.

Realt Dearg Sec · 18-10-2018 04:13PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

Normally when the coach comes out in my eyes and says he's sticking with you it's a sign thart your time is running out

Agree: you don't hear Bill Belichick or Mike McCarthy saying "we have full confidence in our QB". If you have to say it, then it's almost by definition not true.

MileHighGuy · 18-10-2018 04:13PM

bruschi wrote: »

I mentioned the issues that happened elsewhere. It was not to defend him, moreso to query why this has garnered so much publicity than all the other times.

Super slo-mo, 4K tvs, social media, and possibly a little bit of pearl-clutching!

it's not like were sidetracking any other wacky conversations!

It's just something that happened though, not a Boston thing or a Patriot thing.

MileHighGuy · 18-10-2018 04:18PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

Normally when the coach comes out in my eyes and says he's sticking with you it's a sign thart your time is running out unless you do something to prove that statement right.

Joseph should be more worried about Elway sticking with him, he has performed worse than Keenum, and that is saying something.

I can see him making a last ditch QB change in an attempt to save his job if things don't improve, although there has to be the sacrificial OC firing first of course!

Case Keenum throwing the ball 50 times a game is a recipe for disater.

BonnieSituation · 18-10-2018 05:04PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

Back to actual football.

I know Joseph has said Keenum is their guy but how much longer do people think until Chad Kelly gets the nod for Broncos?

4 straight losses, Keenum has improved over the last two games but I think this next one will be big for him. Normally when the coach comes out in my eyes and says he's sticking with you it's a sign thart your time is running out unless you do something to prove that statement right.

Fans seem to be turning anyway!

I assumed that that was the case last week when he came in for the kneel.

The crowd reaction said it all.

I'm in 2 minds about it. I want Chad in but I want Joseph gone and I don't want Kelly to be tainted by Joseph. I hope that makes sense.

Kelly showed more than enough in pre-season to be given a go by now given how Keenum has been.

Foxtrol · 18-10-2018 05:38PM

munstermagic11 wrote: »

It appeared here yesterday cause someone called the fan “a complete and utter fcking idiot”.
What exactly is your issue with the Pats?

You really need to get over the persecution complex. What does this happen to do with the Pats? We're talking about one complete and utter idiot fan.

It is so stupid to whine about a topic continuing to be discussed when the only reason it is ongoing is that people keep trying to defend the indefensible.

Foxtrol · 18-10-2018 05:53PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

I don't like the Patriots at all and sorry for dragging it out again but I think some of the reactions about it were over the top.

Comments from his agent like:
"Players have to be protected. We want that fan to be prosecuted."
You'd swear he was in some sort of danger.

Receiving a ban from the Patriots organisation I thought was sufficient enough, Hill and his agent pusuring legal action I find over the top even if they are entitled to do so.

Maybe I'm wrong here but fans throwing food and drink isn't a rare occurance. What about Quinton Jefferson last year, I don't remember the reaction being as serious to the fans invovled. Also Pats say he broke one of their fan codes of conduct. Just looking at it I'm sure many broke these, hell in the video pretty much all the fans are by giving the finger.

Now the fan is a twat, and will rightfully be banned from the stadium but it's hard for me to agree with a guy with Hill's money and history pursuing legal action against a 22 year old who threw some beer at him after he tried to get a reaction from them. Maybe I have selective memory on the previous incidents or maybe I'm letting my dislike of Hill cloud my judgement but I think it's understandable why many fans would see it as overkill to pursue legal action against the guy.

Players do need to be protected though. He might not have stepped across the line you draw for protecting their safety, but if he broke the law he broke the law.

There is so much hate towards Hill, and rightfully so, his agent would be doing him a disservice if he didn’t try to clamp down to the point where people will think twice at doing something like that again. The fan will get a slap on the wrist but if they publicly went easy on him it would open Hill up to much worse.

Jolly Red Giant · 18-10-2018 06:19PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

Back to actual football.

I know Joseph has said Keenum is their guy but how much longer do people think until Chad Kelly gets the nod for Broncos?

4 straight losses, Keenum has improved over the last two games but I think this next one will be big for him. Normally when the coach comes out in my eyes and says he's sticking with you it's a sign thart your time is running out unless you do something to prove that statement right.

Fans seem to be turning anyway!

I expect Kelly to play the last three games - Browns, Raiders and Chargers. Elway won't want to bench his marquee FA signing until it is mathematically possible that the play-offs are out (and I don't think he will want him to play against the 49ers).

Jolly Red Giant · 18-10-2018 06:24PM

MileHighGuy wrote: »

Joseph should be more worried about Elway sticking with him, he has performed worse than Keenum, and that is saying something.

I can see him making a last ditch QB change in an attempt to save his job if things don't improve, although there has to be the sacrificial OC firing first of course!

Case Keenum throwing the ball 50 times a game is a recipe for disater.

Joseph won't bench Keenum - Elway won't let him. He brought Keenum in so that if things went wrong then Joseph would carry the can. Musgrave will not be fired before Joseph - the OC was sacrificed last year (and rightly so) - it won't happen again.

Now there has been some daft play-calling - last week the Broncos ran a 4WR set on 4th and 3 - and the 4 WR all ran 15 yard routes. Despite this Keenum didn't even see the open receiver - but it was daft that two of the four weren't running short routes to pick up the 1st. What we don't know is whether this was Musgrave or Joseph.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 18-10-2018 06:27PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

You really need to get over the persecution complex. What does this happen to do with the Pats? We're talking about one complete and utter idiot fan.

It is so stupid to whine about a topic continuing to be discussed when the only reason it is ongoing is that people keep trying to defend the indefensible.

Says the guy who whines every time. Always about the Pats with you. Get over yourself. Focusing on a 22 year throwing beer. We all said a ban is appropriate, but you have to view those comments as defending the guy (while silent as someone actually tries to defend a guy who criminally abused a women).
Long overdue to add you to the ignore list. Whine away as much as you want.

Foxtrol · 18-10-2018 08:51PM

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Says the guy who whines every time. Always about the Pats with you. Get over yourself. Focusing on a 22 year throwing beer. We all said a ban is appropriate, but you have to view those comments as defending the guy (while silent as someone actually tries to defend a guy who criminally abused a women).
Long overdue to add you to the ignore list. Whine away as much as you want.

I’ve made several negative comments about Hill over the last 24 hours in this thread and regularly I’m negative about other players, teams, fans, coaches, GMs, owners but your persecution complex only lets you see those related to the Patriots.

It is a bit weird that you were tracking my posts (even if you were doing a terrible job) so ignore list is probably a good idea for your sanity. :rolleyes:

Shedite27 · 18-10-2018 09:11PM

New podcast series released this week looking at the murder of Steve McNair. Interesting first episode
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/steve-mcnair-fall-of-a-titan-podcast

Billy86 · 18-10-2018 09:16PM

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

MileHighGuy wrote: »

Joseph should be more worried about Elway sticking with him, he has performed worse than Keenum, and that is saying something.

I can see him making a last ditch QB change in an attempt to save his job if things don't improve, although there has to be the sacrificial OC firing first of course!

Case Keenum throwing the ball 50 times a game is a recipe for disater.

Joseph won't bench Keenum - Elway won't let him. He brought Keenum in so that if things went wrong then Joseph would carry the can.

If your gm is deciding who is playing and getting snaps, you've either got a gm/coach or you've got organisational problems.

BonnieSituation · 19-10-2018 08:09AM

Billy86 wrote: »

If your gm is deciding who is playing and getting snaps, you've either got a gm/coach or you've got organisational problems.

We do have organisational problems. Elway operates with impunity.

MileHighGuy · 19-10-2018 09:04AM

Not sure if anyone has posted this anywhere - Boston Globe did a long-form piece on Aaron Hernandez, and have an accompanying podcast, Gladiator. Just listened to the first episode, and seems like a well researched, serious piece of sports journalism - some might be interested.

https://wondery.com/shows/gladiator/

Edit: Link to the articles - 6 parts.

https://apps.bostonglobe.com/spotlight/gladiator/bristol/

adrian522 · 19-10-2018 09:54AM

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Says the guy who whines every time. Always about the Pats with you. Get over yourself. Focusing on a 22 year throwing beer. We all said a ban is appropriate, but you have to view those comments as defending the guy (while silent as someone actually tries to defend a guy who criminally abused a women).
Long overdue to add you to the ignore list. Whine away as much as you want.

Mod Note: Please keep comments constructive and avoid personal criticism.

Secondly this Tyreek Hill conversation has run its course. Let's move on with the football talk.

Don't respond on thread ,PM me if you want to carry on this discussion

Jolly Red Giant · 19-10-2018 10:03AM

Billy86 wrote: »

If your gm is deciding who is playing and getting snaps, you've either got a gm/coach or you've got organisational problems.

Elway is top dog - what he says goes - if he tells Joseph to pull Keenum then that is what would happen. Part of the issue with the Broncos at the moment is that the only person capable of standing up to Elway is Gary Kubiak - which is what Broncos fans are delighted that he is now part of the front office. The reason why the Broncos had such a good draft this year is down to Kubiak telling Elway he was an idiot for drafting athletes rather than footballers.

The next HC will get more control because Kubiak will make Elway give the coach more control - because Kubiak knows what is required from a coaching perspective - Elway never coached anybody.

Jolly Red Giant · 19-10-2018 10:09AM

As regards the game last night - the blowout win by the Broncos is more a demonstration of how bad the Cards are, coupled with Von Miller kicking the defence into shape. The defence won the game in the first quarter with the 2 INTs for TDs.

The blowout probably has kept Joseph in the job until the end of the season - unless there is a major meltdown again against the Chiefs next week and the Texans the week after. You would expect the Chiefs to hammer the Broncos in Arrowhead in the next game.