Gangland criminals with respectable-sounding surnames.

political analyst · 15-10-2018 03:39PM #1

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2018/1015/1003242-courts-martinaylmer/

Martin Aylmer of Casino Park, Marino, in Dublin bought phones that were used during the murder of Michael Barr at the Sunset House, Summerhill Parade, in Dublin on 25 April 2016.

How is it that some gangland criminals have surnames that sound posh and distinctive?

Aylmer just doesn't sound like the surname of a gangland criminal, of which the surname is usually non-descript, i.e. could be from anywhere, or rough-sounding, i.e. the Limerick feuds.

goose2005 · 15-10-2018 04:24PM

The Aylmers were (are?) a big landowning family in Meath, they financed the Grand Canal and were officers in the British Army for generations. This one must be a 'black sheep'

hatrickpatrick · 15-10-2018 04:28PM

Anyone can end up getting hooked on drugs and getting into debt, thus necessitating doing "jobs" for the gangs which ultimately snowball into full-on "membership". This seems to be how most people not born into crime dynasties or growing up in particularly dangerous areas with a lot of gangland activity get involved - "Ok, you don't have our €2,000, that'll be a kneecap so... Oh wait actually! We happen to be stuck for a driver for *something* on Friday afternoon, if you happened to be free we're reeeeally appreciate it..."

15-10-2018 04:41PM

What a peculiar post they have to have a name that matches their crime?.

As for the general point about criminal gangs, people choose who to hang around with who to surround themselves with.

The is not enough emphases on those who don't get involved in the areas where criminal gangs are rife, why not more stories about the teenage lads who didn't get involved did not take drugs got an education played sport, went to the gym and wasn't the one outside with a fork when it was raining soup. To me, that is the definition of intelligence.

wakka12 · 15-10-2018 04:50PM

I wouldnt have thought there was much of a connection between crime and surnames myself

AndyBoBandy · 15-10-2018 04:52PM

wakka12 wrote: »

I wouldnt have thought there was much of a connection between crime and surnames myself

Dick Dastardly would beg to differ

Captain Red Beard · 15-10-2018 04:57PM

Is there a list detailing which names are respectable and which aren't?

Gravelly · 15-10-2018 04:58PM

wakka12 wrote: »

I wouldnt have thought there was much of a connection between crime and surnames myself

Have a look at any regional paper anywhere in Ireland over a few months, and you will discover that certain surnames are strongly associated with crime in each region. This is usually far more geographically spread than can be accounted for by a single family. There are numerous surnames in Ireland that most people would immediately recognise as being associated with criminality.

James Brown · 15-10-2018 04:58PM

goose2005 wrote: »

The Aylmers were (are?) a big landowning family in Meath, they financed the Grand Canal and were officers in the British Army for generations. This one must be a 'black sheep'

No, sure weren't his family big landowners and officers in the British army for generations? He's simply a modern day version of thief.

Beechwoodspark · 15-10-2018 05:04PM

Frog eyes stanners is another example

“Cigars and brandy in the shelbourne with frog eyes” has such a posh ring to it.

topper75 · 15-10-2018 05:17PM

political analyst wrote: »

Aylmer just doesn't sound like the surname of a gangland criminal, of which the surname is usually non-descript, i.e. could be from anywhere, or rough-sounding, i.e. the Limerick feuds.

Good Sir, the Limerick scum will see your Aylmer and raise you Dundon and Woodland.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 15-10-2018 05:39PM

Joseph P. Kennedy.

McMurphy · 15-10-2018 05:48PM

How does a name make you any less likely to be a criminal?

Shipman.
West.
Nielsen.

None stand out as being the name of a scummer.

Ripper/Hitler however.......

political analyst · 15-10-2018 06:25PM

Captain Red Beard wrote: »

Is there a list detailing which names are respectable and which aren't?

Collopy, Dundon....

political analyst · 15-10-2018 06:27PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

How does a name make you any less likely to be a criminal?

Shipman.
West.
Nielsen.

None stand out as being the name of a scummer.

Ripper/Hitler however.......

I was referring to gangland criminals, not serial killers or genocide perpetrators.

Most gangland criminals have ordinary surnames, e.g. Byrne, Smith, Gilligan, McCarthy, Keane.

James Brown · 15-10-2018 06:30PM

Haughey and Devalera are the dodgiest of family names that still get respect, (in some quarters) anyway. There's a head scratcher.

Ash.J.Williams · 15-10-2018 06:32PM

The name is Thompson, Frederick Thompson...

selwyn froggitt · 15-10-2018 06:34PM

Dan The Dagger Man From Dagenham

feargale · 15-10-2018 06:37PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Haughey and Devalera are the dodgiest of family names that still get respect, (in some quarters) anyway. There's a head scratcher.

Tudor?

nthclare · 15-10-2018 06:39PM

A lot of the Gangland people in Limerick have English name's.
It was a garrison town originally and a lot of tans settled in Limerick.

If you frequent Limerick city you'll notice that a lot of people look very English and have a different look about them.

There's a difference between the original Limerick families and the one's which originated from the UK 100+ years ago....

A lot of them have a Birmingham look about them....

Ash.J.Williams · 15-10-2018 06:40PM

nthclare wrote: »

A lot of the Gangland people in Limerick have English name's.
It was a garrison town originally and a lot of tans settled in Limerick.

If you frequent Limerick city you'll notice that a lot of people look very English and have a different look about them.

There's a difference between the original Limerick families and the one's which originated from the UK 100+ years ago....

A lot of them have a Birmingham look about them....

What's an English person look like?

Danzy · 15-10-2018 06:42PM

political analyst wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2018/1015/1003242-courts-martinaylmer/

How is it that some gangland criminals have surnames that sound posh and distinctive?

Aylmer just doesn't sound like the surname of a gangland criminal, of which the surname is usually non-descript, i.e. could be from anywhere, or rough-sounding, i.e. the Limerick feuds.[/quote

Honest?

I know a family farming near by, big operation, out and out criminals and they are Aylmers.

Organized criminality to a degree

Danzy · 15-10-2018 06:45PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

No, sure weren't his family big landowners and officers in the British army for generations? He's simply a modern day version of thief.

What is breed in to the bitch comes out in the pup.

Are there still Aylmers in Meath.

Atoms for Peace · 15-10-2018 06:51PM

Dublin at one time had a large protestant working class, which is possibly where such posh sounding skanger surnames originated.

Dr Brown · 15-10-2018 07:25PM

political analyst wrote: »

I was referring to gangland criminals, not serial killers or genocide perpetrators.

Most gangland criminals have ordinary surnames, e.g. Byrne, Smith, Gilligan, McCarthy, Keane.

Don't forget "fatpuss".

Irish Guitarist · 15-10-2018 07:33PM

wakka12 wrote: »

I wouldnt have thought there was much of a connection between crime and surnames myself

It appears you're not familiar with Bunty McSkimming. https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12305860.60000-embezzled-granny-stole-to-give-to-charity/

Danzy · 15-10-2018 07:50PM

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Dublin at one time had a large protestant working class, which is possibly where such posh sounding skanger surnames originated.

Angus oSnodaigh TD one of the few voices in Dublin that has the Protestant working class accent still.

A little known lingual fact.

The Crowman · 15-10-2018 07:51PM

political analyst wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2018/1015/1003242-courts-martinaylmer/

How is it that some gangland criminals have surnames that sound posh and distinctive?

Aylmer just doesn't sound like the surname of a gangland criminal, of which the surname is usually non-descript, i.e. could be from anywhere, or rough-sounding, i.e. the Limerick feuds.

By respectable do you mean protestant or Anglo sounding?

15-10-2018 07:53PM

Captain Red Beard wrote: »

Is there a list detailing which names are respectable?

McDonagh, Connors, Joyce, Hand, Ward.

corner of hells · 15-10-2018 08:12PM

Omackeral wrote: »

McDonagh, Connors, Joyce, Hand, Ward.

Martin McDonagh playwright
Jimmy Connors tennis player
James Joyce playwright
Eoin Hand Irish international footballer and manager
Stephen Ward Irish international footballer.

The spacer I'm married to is related to a notorious London crime family with multiple convictions and sentences served and has their name.
I'm hopeful she'll be arrested any day soon.

15-10-2018 08:27PM

corner of hells wrote: »

Martin McDonagh playwright
Jimmy Connors tennis player
James Joyce playwright
Eoin Hand Irish international footballer and manager
Stephen Ward Irish international footballer.

Exactly. Thanks for proving my point!

Gangland criminals with respectable-sounding surnames.

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