NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

I suppose it's too late to suggest any impropriety about the mans and take back the tender?
Or would that be too convoluted considering what has happened now with enet?

Seriously this whole thing is really down the rabbit hole when you start looking at stuff as Gavin did

Swift broadband plan decision needed after Naughten resignation - Doherty

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/swift-broadband-plan-decision-needed-after-naughten-resignation-doherty-1.3661210

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2018/10/12/pat-answers/

rodge123 wrote: »

No need to worry guys, Leo Will look after us!
https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1012/1002684-naughten-resignation/

Sure he might even do the installs himself.

This is exactly what we need. The POs in the Department, for all their genuine abilities, and high paid advice, are no match for the McCourts and Moats of this world. We never could have expected much from Kenny, but Leo and Pascal might just be able to pull it off.

Enet current baseline pricing:

Some observations on some of the points being made here over the last couple of days:

In relation to the renewal of the MANs contract I'll be astonished if the original contract did not specifically allow for this as an option (I'm pretty certain concession agreements of this kind generally do allow for this) however:

....Department must have been aware that eNet appeared to have moved away from being solely involved in the wholesale segment of the market and had become involved in retail activity. Was this dealt with as part of the reneweal agreement?

......Department made a major error in my opinion by seeking not to release documents relating to this under FOI and now fighting a legal case on the matter. It only adds fuel to the fire and is helping to create the belief that they have something to hide.

In relation to the NBP, to a large extent the carry on this about Naughten is just a side show. The real problem is (and this has existed for several months now) the fact that the last remaining bidder does not have the first idea, capacity or capability to build, deploy and operate a national network of any description.

Eir and SIRO were ever the only two realistic options for this contract. Once eir successfully got rid of its rival through its discovery of the magic 300k "commercial" premises, the process was in trouble. Once eir reneged on all of its original commitments to government and walked themselves, the process was dead in the water (am baffled by some poster's suggestion that both these companies could now lodge a legal challenge.....really? On what grounds precisely?).

That was the time for Naughten to show some courage and leadership and lay out clearly and publicly that the NBP process was in serious jeopardy and needed reflection and possible redrawing instead of engaging in his "Comical Ali" routine of pretending that everything was ok and on track.

Even before Conal Henry's unexpected departure as eNet CEO that company did not have the scale or capacity to deliver the NBP. With the rag tag of current participants left, the Department, on behalf of the State (and tax payers) would be mad to sign any contract.

I sincerely hope the auditor tasked with reviewing the procurement process gives it a clean bill of health...I suspect it will, based largley on the length of time the whole thing has taken which, as an article in today's Irish Times suggests, the procurement team adopted an overly-conservative and legalistic approach from the outset mainly to avoid repeating the mistakes in the process of awarding the 2nd mobile licence in 1996.

A bit ironic then that a minister would have a brain-freeze and do what Naughten has done. It just shows that you can legislate for everything except stupidity.

I have no idea how this whole thing now proceeds but the risk of signing a contract with this crowd is enormous and there has to be a collective pause to reflect on options before any final major decisions are taken.

daraghwal wrote: »

Not sure if this was confirmed already:

"Ms Lennon said Eir had pulled out of the plan earlier this year because the process was hugely complicated and the company could not make a commercial return on it.

But she said the firm’s infrastructure would be made available to the successful bidder."

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1012/1002684-naughten-resignation/

AT what price ?, that is the question

Persiancowboy wrote: »

I sincerely hope the auditor tasked with reviewing the procurement process gives it a clean bill of health...I suspect it will, based largley on the length of time the whole thing has taken which, as an article in today's Irish Times suggests, the procurement team adopted an overly-conservative and legalistic approach from the outset mainly to avoid repeating the mistakes in the process of awarding the 2nd mobile licence in 1996.

I've been mulling over this today. So Leo tasks the process auditor of the NBP, Peter Smyth, to assess whether the procurement process has been compromised or not.

How can he give the process a clean bill of health if Naughten had undocumented meetings with McCourt in 2017. i.e. prior to Eir & SIRO leaving.

It's one thing meeting a bidder when they're the only ones left but if private meetings (with no minutes or independent witnesses) were had while other bidders were still in play, I can't see how the current procurement process can be given the all clear and certainly not with the degree of confidence necessary for the money and risks involved.

I so wanted guys like Ed E to be proven wrong, that this wouldn't all end in tears, but I'm finally caving into the reality of it.

Jim

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/se%C3%A1n-kyne-urges-national-broadband-plan-stakeholders-remain-focused-1.3661706

Department website down still!

Was giving a 401 yesterday, but a 404 today.

Did somebody delete it in anger, and the backup?