NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

Pique · 11-10-2018 01:20PM

Possibly up to £2.5k per house for the UK. Never been to Jersey. How does that rate as a comparison to the RBB here?

m99T · 11-10-2018 01:33PM

Pique wrote: »

Possibly up to £2.5k per house for the UK. Never been to Jersey. How does that rate as a comparison to the RBB here?

They measure it in weight.

Johnboy1951 · 11-10-2018 01:41PM

Pique wrote: »

Possibly up to £2.5k per house for the UK. Never been to Jersey. How does that rate as a comparison to the RBB here?

You would get a good idea if you have a look on google maps or such.
It is a very small island, with little distance between premises, and most dwellings are grouped and thus easily serviced, with very few one-off premises any distance from the next dwelling.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 11-10-2018 02:02PM

Vast majority to be fibre although "tens of thousands" will be wireless.

First premises passed may not be until 2020.

https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/news/buffett-partner-and-new-york-vc-fund-backing-broadband-37405935.html

user1842 · 11-10-2018 02:44PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

First premises passed may not be until 2020.

You are f*3king joking me

ED E · 11-10-2018 02:45PM

user1842 wrote: »

You are f*3king joking me

2020 is pretty quick tbh. This is infra, things are done in decades.

user1842 · 11-10-2018 02:47PM

ED E wrote: »

2020 is pretty quick tbh. This is infra, things are done in decades.

But first premises only passed in 2020, come on.....

Surely there are some easy wins that can be done in 2019. It's not rocket science.

Johnboy1951 · 11-10-2018 02:50PM

If I understand correctly, the state now owns Enet and the MANs, and it is into these that connections for all the NBP is to be done. This is purely a wholesale set up.
There were, last I read, some 94 MANs available for use.

The roll out from the MAN connection is to be in private hands.

The fibre from the MANs is likely to be carried on a combination of Eir telecom poles and ESB Elec poles/ducts.

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Are the above true?

ED E · 11-10-2018 02:54PM

user1842 wrote: »

But first premised only passed in 2020, come on.....

You don't start working on one bit while you get the rest ready. There's lots of initial work in detailed planning, surveying, applying for civils, hiring and training, procurement.

Marlow et al: If you order 500 MSANs from Huawei what's the lead time?

BobMc · 11-10-2018 02:59PM

to be honest I'd pay 1000 to 1500 to get FTTH installed, and many would I'd imagine

westyIrl · 11-10-2018 03:02PM

Naughten taking to his feet in the Dail just now..and questions to follow.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/oireachtas-tv/dail-eireann-live/

Jim

SkepticQuark · 11-10-2018 03:03PM

To be honest I'd stomach a first home passing late 2019/early 2020 if it means we've actually got the ball rolling without any of the current bull**** dragging it down. I'd settle for an on paper agreement to be signed off on for work to proceed. People calling for it to be stalled need to answer what is the alternative at this stage?

westyIrl · 11-10-2018 03:06PM

Oh dear, Looking like he's gone. Leo told him he has no confidence.

Jim

tsue921i8wljb3 · 11-10-2018 03:07PM

westyIrl wrote: »

Oh dear,

Looking like he's gone. Leo told him he has no confidence.

Jim

Seriously?

ED E · 11-10-2018 03:08PM

He's talking go or be pushed.

NB: In a defensive manner.

ED E · 11-10-2018 03:09PM

Ciao!

tsue921i8wljb3 · 11-10-2018 03:10PM

Wow! Does the whole thing crumble now?

Robxxx7 · 11-10-2018 03:11PM

right decision .. he allowed himself to be in a position where his integrity in relation to NBP could be called into question.
Just hope this doesn't kick start the whole tender process again .. will set the country back years ..

westyIrl · 11-10-2018 03:15PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

Wow! Does the whole thing crumble now?

I sincerely hope not but I don't see it helping any. He had said earlier on in his speech that the Department's evaluation of the tender was to conclude by the end of this month. Moot point now that he's resigned though.

Certainly doesn't sound like it was the case that Fianna Fail called for his head as Timmy Dooley came across as surprised as anyone else about his resignation. Falling on his own sword.

Jim

tsue921i8wljb3 · 11-10-2018 03:18PM

westyIrl wrote: »

I sincerely hope not but I don't see it helping any. He had said earlier on in his speech that the Department's evaluation of the tender was to conclude by the end of this month. Moot point now that he's resigned though.

Certainly doesn't sound like it was the case that Fianna Fail called for his head as Timmy Dooley came across as surprised as anyone else about his resignation.

Jim

My fear is that the whole process is tainted now. The opposition will surely go after it. If he acted inappropriately enough to resign in relation to a bidder how can the bid be trusted?

Hitman3000 · 11-10-2018 03:18PM

Incompetence and naivety surprised he lasted this long tbh.

BandMember · 11-10-2018 03:19PM

Wow. There's a first: an Irish politician doing the right thing for the country rather than themselves and resigning rather than digging their heels in and refusing to budge! Compared to what others have done, he's resigned over a storm in a teacup...

Question now is, who is the likely next Minister or, more importantly, who would be the most suited to the role and see the NBP through properly??

vicwatson · 11-10-2018 03:20PM

Resigned and stormed out of the chamber. Naive for getting caught is all

tsue921i8wljb3 · 11-10-2018 03:20PM

Another view is that having viewed the bid the Department realised it was unworkable or too costly and Denis became the scapegoat that allows them to go back to the drawing board i.e. give it to eir.

vicwatson · 11-10-2018 03:20PM

BandMember wrote: »

Wow. There's a first: an Irish politician doing the right thing for the country rather than themselves and resigning rather than digging their heels in and refusing to budge! Compared to what others have done, he's resigned over a storm in a teacup...

Question now is, who is the likely next Minister or, more importantly, who would be the most suited to the role and see the NBP through properly??

He was going to be sacked otherwise

vicwatson · 11-10-2018 03:22PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

Another view is that having viewed the bid the Department realised it was unworkable or too costly and Denis became the scapegoat that allows them to go back to the drawing board i.e. give it to eir.

No way would FFFG make O’BRIEN a scapegoat

tsue921i8wljb3 · 11-10-2018 03:23PM

vicwatson wrote: »

No way would FFFG make O’BRIEN a scapegoat

I don't know what DOB has to do with this. He does not even have equity in the bid.

Hitman3000 · 11-10-2018 03:25PM

vicwatson wrote:

Resigned and stormed out of the chamber. Naive for getting caught is all

Can't answer hard questions if you are not there I guess.

Marlow · 11-10-2018 03:26PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

If I understand correctly, the state now owns Enet and the MANs, and it is into these that connections for all the NBP is to be done. This is purely a wholesale set up.
There were, last I read, some 94 MANs available for use.

The roll out from the MAN connection is to be in private hands.

The government owns the MANs. eNet manages them. The state partially owns the IIF through shares, which now entirely owns eNet. So the state partially owns eNet.

ED E wrote: »

If you order 500 MSANs from Huawei what's the lead time?

Oh. It'll be a while. But then again, the chinese are fairly efficient.

/M

vicwatson · 11-10-2018 03:26PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

I don't know what DOB has to do with this. He does not even have equity in the bid.

Actavo does

NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

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