Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

05-10-2018 08:02PM

Reputable Rog wrote: »

Why do you care what somebody else is lawfully doing? I bet you drive around with pro life stickers on your car as well, imposing your views on everyone.

Pro life advocates do not have a monopoly on "imposing their views on everyone"

It could be argued in this day and age that it's the other end of the political spectrum that could be accused of that.

Apologies for the off topic post.

Spanish Eyes · 05-10-2018 08:03PM

This will not work. People do not like to be told what to do, or pay a higher price for doing something completely legal in their own home, just because Nanny said so.

The increase in price is not even going into the Exchequer coffers, so where is it going does anyone know?

But MUP might benefit the publicans, which is all we need to know really.

elperello · 05-10-2018 08:13PM

The extra charged to the consumer under MUP will go to the drinks trade ie. wholesaler, distributor, retailer.
The Government will of course get the VAT on the extra charged.

kylith · 05-10-2018 08:15PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

For the last time, damn it, its not about the minority. This is a law for the general good of everybody. Its nothing to do with alcoholics. Its about the average person still under the illusion that a few drinks are doing them no harm. Reduction for all, improves the lives of all. It isnt punishing anyone. It is rewarding everyone, and thus society as a whole.

How is charging me more for a few quiet beers at home rewarding me?

05-10-2018 08:18PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

This will not work. People do not like to be told what to do, or pay a higher price for doing something completely legal in their own home, just because Nanny said so.

The increase in price is not even going into the Exchequer coffers, so where is it going does anyone know?

But MUP might benefit the publicans, which is all we need to know really.

So how will this "not working" manifest itself?

Will people continue to buy alcohol in supermarkets and off licenses at the same rate they currently do ?

Because if that happens then your statement of "or pay a higher price for doing something completely legal in their own home" will not be true.

Mr. teddywinkles · 05-10-2018 08:20PM

kylith wrote: »

How is charging me more for a few quiet beers at home rewarding me?

Y'all live another 20 years guaranteed don't ya know

elperello · 05-10-2018 08:21PM

kylith wrote: »

How is charging me more for a few quiet beers at home rewarding me?

The people promoting this think they know better than you what is good for you.

A bit like corporal punishment long ago "it's for your own good".

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

The Rape of Lucretia · 05-10-2018 08:29PM

kylith wrote: »

How is charging me more for a few quiet beers at home rewarding me?

Not just you, but wider society as a whole. And its the beer that you are not drinking that benefits you, not the ones you are having. Harmful tough they are too. Its a simple case of the less, the better.

kylith · 05-10-2018 08:42PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Not just you, but wider society as a whole. And its the beer that you are not drinking that benefits you, not the ones you are having. Harmful tough they are too. Its a simple case of the less, the better.

How does me having one or two beers impact wider society? The amount that the average person drinks does little harm to them or anyone else.

The people with the problems will beg, borrow, and steal to get their fix, or resort to drinking meths. The people drinking the top-end stuff won't even notice. The people that will be effected are people like me, who enjoy having one or two beers with a film, or a glass of wine over dinner, or a wee dram before bed the odd night.

Jesus, if it went into government coffers and could be put in some way toward addiction services that'd be something, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

The Rape of Lucretia · 05-10-2018 08:46PM

kylith wrote: »

The people that will be effected are people like me, who enjoy having one or two beers with a film, or a glass of wine over dinner, or a wee dram before bed the odd night.

I think the problem is evident. Hard liquor included. You are doing untold damage to your own health. This law will help you reduce.

One_Of_Shanks · 05-10-2018 08:46PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

its the beer that you are not drinking that benefits you, not the ones you are having.

Should be acceptable for me to feel those benefits Mon-Thurs and on Sundays then, without having to pay double the already inflated prices here (quadruple what other EU nations pay), when I decide to take a wee break from the benefits.

Either way, if I'm going to pay a premium for the same product, the least I deserve is for that money to be a tax that goes back into our economy.
But this isn't going to be the case, is it?

elperello · 05-10-2018 08:50PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Not just you, but wider society as a whole. And its the beer that you are not drinking that benefits you, not the ones you are having. Harmful tough they are too. Its a simple case of the less, the better.

QED

One_Of_Shanks · 05-10-2018 08:51PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

I think the problem is evident. Hard liquor included. You are doing untold damage to your own health. This law will help you reduce.

My bad for taking the bait with my previous post. Weird little hobby you have there of posting on threads to wind people up.

Have a nice evening

elperello · 05-10-2018 08:52PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

I think the problem is evident. Hard liquor included. You are doing untold damage to your own health. This law will help you reduce.

QED X 2

KungPao · 05-10-2018 08:53PM

Any restrictions on say Lidl throwing in a free pizza with 6 of the finest Perlenbacher, or the local offo giving a free bag of doritos or whatever with an 8pk of Heino, to somewhat offset the increase?

hatrickpatrick · 05-10-2018 08:56PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

I think the problem is evident. Hard liquor included. You are doing untold damage to your own health. This law will help you reduce.

The word "help" implies that this is something people want to do already. What about those who are heavy drinkers, are aware that they're heavy drinkers, are aware that they're doing untold damage to their own health, and are perfectly happy to pay that price in order to indulge something they enjoy indulging?

elperello · 05-10-2018 08:58PM

KungPao wrote: »

Any restrictions on say Lidl throwing in a free pizza with 6 of the finest Perlenbacher, or the local offo giving a free bag of doritos or whatever with an 8pk of Heino, to somewhat offset the increase?

Probably sharpening their pencils to tighten up the regs. as we type.
Don't give them any more ammo

Reputable Rog · 05-10-2018 09:29PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/agribusiness-and-food/c-c-leaves-bitter-taste-signalling-virtue-over-minimum-pricing-1.3294593?mode=amp

Spanish Eyes · 05-10-2018 09:42PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

So how will this "not working" manifest itself?

Will people continue to buy alcohol in supermarkets and off licenses at the same rate they currently do ?

Because if that happens then your statement of "or pay a higher price for doing something completely legal in their own home" will not be true.

Yes I think they will quite frankly. Why go to a pub for the same if not a higher price and have to either walk, taxi, or take PT for the privilege of making a vintner richer?

OK, those who like pubs and a bit of live music will go occasionally and I am one of them, but it is a rare outing for me. I just do not like the fact that MUP is a Vintner thing, nothing else.

Much nicer to sit at home or in another friend's home and enjoy a few beers without having to look at twenty TV screens all showing horse racing or something, and then being turfed out when the publican says it's over mate, go home now.

Feck them all. I hate pubs because of their lack of customer service. Did anyone ever get a free packet of crisps or peanuts ever in these places? Nah, didn't think so.

ednwireland · 05-10-2018 09:43PM

funny how the higher the alcohol prices the more binge drinking mainly, i think, because people save up their drinking for on night or in my experience in scandinavia drink their home distilled spirits so just goes off the books.

Micky 32 · 05-10-2018 10:01PM

KungPao wrote: »

Any restrictions on say Lidl throwing in a free pizza with 6 of the finest Perlenbacher, or the local offo giving a free bag of doritos or whatever with an 8pk of Heino, to somewhat offset the increase?

It probably won't be long now until Pizza's and the like will be considered damaging to your health and be taxed :rolleyes:

elperello · 05-10-2018 10:08PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

It probably won't be long now until Pizza's and the like will be considered damaging to your health and be taxed :rolleyes:

Ireland has a problem with pizza we need to start a national conversation.

PopePalpatine · 05-10-2018 10:13PM

elperello wrote: »

Ireland has a problem with pizza we need to start a national conversation.

I dunno about that, did Ireland's first ever pizzeria have morons blaring their car horns while queuing outside it? :pac:

joe40 · 05-10-2018 11:24PM

This thread seems to have descended into puritanical eejits who want to ban all types of drinking and quite frankly, silly hyperbole about the government controlling our lives. It would be great to get back to reasonable debate.

Richard Hillman · 06-10-2018 02:07AM

I honestly don't think the average Joe understands what is about to happen until they stroll into their local Tesco and see what is in front of them.

Brexit will be in 6 months anyway. We'll have duty free shopping in Newry to look foward to. Might not be a bad business idea to start a click and collect drive-tru on the borderlands.

realitykeeper · 06-10-2018 02:13AM

Reputable Rog wrote: »

Why do you care what somebody else is lawfully doing? I bet you drive around with pro life stickers on your car as well, imposing your views on everyone.

Pro death people did the same until the won the "right" to kill. Now back to topic please Reputable Rog.

realitykeeper · 06-10-2018 02:19AM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

This will not work. People do not like to be told what to do, or pay a higher price for doing something completely legal in their own home, just because Nanny said so.

The increase in price is not even going into the Exchequer coffers, so where is it going does anyone know?

But MUP might benefit the publicans, which is all we need to know really.

Personally I am always too busy minding my own business to care about other people making profits. That said, as a capitalist I believe good things like water and health care should be run exclusively by the private sector while evil things like the sale of alcohol and cigarettes should be done exclusively by the state.

realitykeeper · 06-10-2018 02:25AM

kylith wrote: »

How is charging me more for a few quiet beers at home rewarding me?

Your kid will be less likely to be killed by a drunken driver or caught up in a drink fueled brawl. Your trip on the bus or the train is less likely to be spoiled by drunken louts and even if is is they will be less drunk than they would without a mup.

Leroy42 · 06-10-2018 07:34AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I honestly don't think the average Joe understands what is about to happen until they stroll into their local Tesco and see what is in front of them.

Brexit will be in 6 months anyway. We'll have duty free shopping in Newry to look foward to. Might not be a bad business idea to start a click and collect drive-tru on the borderlands.

We didn't have duty free before the SM, isn't it likely that Ireland will look to exclude NI from duty free

Reputable Rog · 06-10-2018 07:39AM

realitykeeper wrote: »

Your kid will be less likely to be killed by a drunken driver or caught up in a drink fueled brawl. Your trip on the bus or the train is less likely to be spoiled by drunken louts and even if is is they will be less drunk than they would without a mup.

Drunken driver on the way back from Tesco? Necking a slab at the traffic lights?
Drunken fueled brawl whilst watching Graham Norton?
Seriously the trolling is tiresome.

Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

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