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Ulster Bank League 2018-2019 Talk/Gossip/Rumours

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  • #452
    young munsters man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭young munsters man


    well sheep we will deal with it as i have said i dont have a problem with it during regular season
    out of interest what players were nenagh missing for play off matches due to provincial call up?


  • #453
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,467 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    All games are set for the default time on Saturdays at 2.30pm or Fridays 8pm. Up to clubs to request changes to that by making agreement with their opposition on day in question and applying for change


    I'm well aware of that. And I'm also aware of opposition clubs regularly refusing to change. If the IRFU was serious about promoting the league they'd avoid the possibility of these clashes. It's not as if there aren't enough weekends.


  • #454
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    teams named so far today by Des Berry
    Navan v Dolphin
    P Fox; S McEntaggart, R Maloney, R van der Vyver, B McEntaggart; C O’Reilly, B Haugh; S Faulkner, D Clarke, L Jackson, D Magee, R Scott, C Hand, C Farrell, C Ryan.
    UL Bohemian v Galwegians
    J Murray; S Mullins, C Ryan, H Fleming, O Scannell; H Corkery, H Bourke; J Conway, J Bennett, M Bromell, E Kelly, S Seymour, D Rowsome, D O’Grady, B Walsh
    Garryowen v DUFC
    A O’Byrne; J Heuston, P Collins, D McCarthy, C O’Shea; J Gavin, R Guerin; B Rowley, L Cronin, A Keating, K Seymour, D Moore, T Ferguson, D Ryan, S Rennison.
    Naas v Buccaneers
    F Higgins; A Ellis, F Carr, R Bailey-Kearney, J Murphy; P Hastie, P Osborne; C Doyle, G Reynolds, A Coyle, M Russell, D Benn, C Dempsey, W O’Brien, P Tolofua.
    Cashel v Old Crescent
    J Rae; R Kingston, A McDonald, J Newton, F Kelleher; D Lyons, A Barron; C Ryan, N Fitzgerald, M Kelly, K Melbourne, I Rqibi, J Ryan, E Leamy, M Casey.
    Old Belvedere v Banbridge
    D Riordan; J Keating, D Butler, J McAleese, C Carey; S Crosbie, P O’Beirne; A Howard, J McKee, D Lavery, J Kelly, E Sweeney, K Miller, T de Jongh, C Mallon.
    Seapoint v Midleton
    D Byrne; A Guerin, G Hayes, B Guerin, T O’Reilly; B Champion, C Buckley; B Duggan, C Cunningham, A Heffernan, K Bittel, M McCoy, A McAuley, Z Jungmann, P Crowne.
    Clontarf v Lansdowne
    J Power; J McKeown, M Courtney, M D’Arcy, C O’Donoghue; D Joyce, A Lloyd; I Soroka, D Adamson, R Burke- Flynn, C Daly, B Reilly, A Ryan, A D’Arcy, M Noone.
    Terenure v Young Munster
    M Byrne; H Moore, S O’Neill, M Hiney, S Dardis; M O'Neill, K O'Neill; C Madden, A Clarkin, C McCormack, M Melia, A Ryan, K McCoy, P Thornton, E Joyce.


  • #455
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    You're trying to get people through the gates. That's not going to happen when you've got games clashing with Euro games (in the same city) or international matches.
    So thats 8/9 weekends of the season gone minimum. You cant just miss all these weekends
    Stainalert wrote: »
    Reality is that it will be very rare for a club to field 6 full time professionals in one match. Only very few clubs have that many full-timers on their books and even if they do they all have to be released by the province. Might help the likes of Buccs and one or 2 of the Ulster clubs but that is probably it.
    of course i did use too many as example but is this really an issue
    young munsters man wrote: »
    well sheep we will deal with it as i have said i dont have a problem with it during regular season
    out of interest what players were nenagh missing for play off matches due to provincial call up?
    Look this is just repeating what was said over and over last seasons thread. Can it just end here? Do you have to bring it up again and again. Just let it go man!!
    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    I'm well aware of that. And I'm also aware of opposition clubs regularly refusing to change. If the IRFU was serious about promoting the league they'd avoid the possibility of these clashes. It's not as if there aren't enough weekends.
    Theres 20 weekends needed for the league to run and how many weekends do we need to avoid?
    Irish home games/european games etc? Thats 10 or so weekends.


  • #456
    young munsters man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭young munsters man


    sheep out of interest what players were nenagh missing for play off matches due to provincial call up?


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  • #457
    young munsters man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭young munsters man


    sheep correct me if im wrong but for the last few seasons i dont think they played ail during european pool stages, think they played provincial cup, shows it can be avoided


  • #458
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    young munsters man wrote: »
    sheep correct me if im wrong but for the last few seasons i dont think they played ail during european pool stages, think they played provincial cup, shows it can be avoided
    There was at least one division 1 round played during europe group stages last season.

    Anyway more teams named
    Tullamore v Ballina
    S McCabe; T Gilligan, J Mendez, K Dunne, B Gilligan; S Burns, A Hyde; M Murphy, C Feighery, C Higgins, S Rigney, E Bracken, K Browne, G Ridgeway, B Bracken.


  • #459
    CMcsporty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,095 ✭✭✭CMcsporty


    Stainalert wrote: »
    Reality is that it will be very rare for a club to field 6 full time professionals in one match. Only very few clubs have that many full-timers on their books and even if they do they all have to be released by the province. Might help the likes of Buccs and one or 2 of the Ulster clubs but that is probably it.

    Oh yea....Good point!


  • #460
    young munsters man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭young munsters man


    correct sheep we beat nure at home in december later that night munster beat leicester in thomond, our worst home crowd of season, good nure crowd travelled , more for repeat performance tomorrow


  • #461
    young munsters man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭young munsters man


    can anyone tell me have lansdowne relaid there back pitch, thanks


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  • #462
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    young munsters man wrote: »
    correct sheep we beat nure at home in december later that night munster beat leicester in thomond, our worst home crowd of season, good nure crowd travelled , more for repeat performance tomorrow
    Thats on ye that that was worst attendance of season. The game is pro and the game needs pro game to survive.
    You cant avoid all clashes. Its not possible and now can we stop bringing up clashes from previous seasons and just talk about this season. This conversation is boring as its the same crap over and over and is just repitition of what was said in previous seasons.
    Any chance you can just discuss the rugby like predictions for games across all divisions?


  • #463
    Chico Flores
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Chico Flores


    young munsters man wrote: »
    can anyone tell me have lansdowne relaid there back pitch, thanks

    They have - much less of a car park now.

    But not as good as Clontarf or Terenure.


  • #464
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,467 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Thats on ye that that was worst attendance of season. The game is pro and the game needs pro game to survive.
    You cant avoid all clashes. Its not possible and now can we stop bringing up clashes from previous seasons and just talk about this season. This conversation is boring as its the same crap over and over and is just repitition of what was said in previous seasons.
    Any chance you can just discuss the rugby like predictions for games across all divisions?


    It's on Munsters that a game was scheduled for a day that Munster had a home CC game? Seriously?


  • #465
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    It's on Munsters that a game was scheduled for a day that Munster had a home CC game? Seriously?
    They can move kick off/day of game on weekend. The Munster game was a 7.45 kick off the AIL finished at at max 4.10/4.15. That isnt really a reason to give out about 2 games on same day.
    How many weekends do you avoid? You will have people complaining about so much more.
    Its club rugby. You cant avoid every pro game.


  • #466
    Stainalert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭Stainalert


    Chico Flores wrote: »
    young munsters man wrote: »
    can anyone tell me have lansdowne relaid there back pitch, thanks

    They have - much less of a car park now.

    But not as good as Clontarf or Terenure.
    Why do you say that?


  • #467
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,467 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    They can move kick off/day of game on weekend. The Munster game was a 7.45 kick off the AIL finished at at max 4.10/4.15. That isnt really a reason to give out about 2 games on same day.
    How many weekends do you avoid? You will have people complaining about so much more.
    Its club rugby. You cant avoid every pro game.

    Stop with the straw man arguments. I never said that you have to avoid every pro game. You stated that it was Young Munsters own fault that they got a smaller gate on the same day that Munster were playing a CC game in Limerick. That is complete and utter BS on your part.

    For many various reasons plenty of people can't get to two matches in one day. Any club that has a home game in Limerick the same day as Munster are playing are going to have a reduced crowd. Simple logic.


  • #468
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    Stop with the straw man arguments. I never said that you have to avoid every pro game. You stated that it was Young Munsters own fault that they got a smaller gate on the same day that Munster were playing a CC game in Limerick. That is complete and utter BS on your part.

    For many various reasons plenty of people can't get to two matches in one day. Any club that has a home game in Limerick the same day as Munster are playing are going to have a reduced crowd. Simple logic.
    It isnt if a club can be clever with their marketing. Bus from club ground to Aviva/Thomond after club game with meal deal thrown in.
    Yes some cant go to 2 games but many can.


  • #469
    young munsters man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭young munsters man


    did the two games myself loved it enjoyed them both, two games in a day for me is a holiday! 
    was at marys v munsters in templeville road - was told by marys lads crowd was down on their game v con the week before - because later that afternoon ireland played france, factor in there was  good travelling support from us, and marys had a pre match function with a speaker  
    i know clashes cant be avoided but ye can say what ye like -they do affect club gates and revenues


  • #470
    D14Rugby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭D14Rugby


    Stainalert wrote: »
    Why do you say that?

    From pictures looks like the Lansdowne Road pitch just had a new carpet put down which will help a bit but not bring it to the same standard as Donnybrook, Terenure, Clontarf.

    I'll reserve judgement until its bedded in and I see it in person though


  • #471
    Stainalert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭Stainalert


    D14Rugby wrote: »
    Stainalert wrote: »
    Why do you say that?

    From pictures looks like the Lansdowne Road pitch just had a new carpet put down which will help a bit but not bring it to the same standard as Donnybrook, Terenure, Clontarf.

    I'll reserve judgement until its bedded in and I see it in person though
    New carpet & filler. This has all been laid on top of a shock absorber (which is the best on offer and as good if not better than any other pitch in Ireland). Can't vouch for Terenure & Clontarf pitches but the "old" pitch (before New turf and filler) tested much better on bounce test than Donnybrook so this will have only been enhanced. Up until now the only area where Donnybrook was superior was the turf.


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  • #472
    D14Rugby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭D14Rugby


    Stainalert wrote: »
    New carpet & filler. This has all been laid on top of a shock absorber (which is the best on offer and as good if not better than any other pitch in Ireland). Can't vouch for Terenure & Clontarf pitches but the "old" pitch (before New turf and filler) tested much better on bounce test than Donnybrook so this will have only been enhanced. Up until now the only area where Donnybrook was superior was the turf.

    Unless you're saying they put in a new shock pad, something I've seen no pictures of, the shock pad they had may have been the best when it was put in but anyone that has played on the pitches will tell you that old pitch was like playing on concrete.

    Bounce isn't a test of a pitch because it's almost completely dependent on how long its been down and how much of the rubber filling is put in it. A pitch can have a "good bounce" and be absolutely awful to play in in open play.

    Having played on all 4 pitches and the UCD one the UCD and old Lansdowne pitches were in precisely 0 ways better than the other 3(4 including Donnybrook back pitch) and I'd wager anyone who has played on them all would testify as such.


  • #473
    Stainalert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭Stainalert


    D14Rugby wrote: »
    Stainalert wrote: »
    New carpet & filler. This has all been laid on top of a shock absorber (which is the best on offer and as good if not better than any other pitch in Ireland). Can't vouch for Terenure & Clontarf pitches but the "old" pitch (before New turf and filler) tested much better on bounce test than Donnybrook so this will have only been enhanced. Up until now the only area where Donnybrook was superior was the turf.

    Unless you're saying they put in a new shock pad, something I've seen no pictures of, the shock pad they had may have been the best when it was put in but anyone that has played on the pitches will tell you that old pitch was like playing on concrete.

    Bounce isn't a test of a pitch because it's almost completely dependent on how long its been down and how much of the rubber filling is put in it. A pitch can have a "good bounce" and be absolutely awful to play in in open play.

    Having played on all 4 pitches and the UCD one the UCD and old Lansdowne pitches were in precisely 0 ways better than the other 3(4 including Donnybrook back pitch) and I'd wager anyone who has played on them all would testify as such.
    Ok you obviously have issues with the pitch but you haven't played on the new surface and you if you talk to pitch manufacturers you will find that the shock absorber has a much longer shelf life than the turf and depending on the quality of the shock absorber can last more than twice the length of time the turf will last. Donnybrook doesn't actually have a shock absorber. The bounce test that I refer to is actually an insurance test and the insurance companies use this test to calculate the potential for injury on the pitch. The test itself actually has very little to do with the length of time a pitch has been laid. The old Lansdowne pitch did test better than the Donnybrook - not an opinion. Anyhow this is all academic as the old pitch is gone now and I can tell you from experience it is a big improvement.


  • #474
    D14Rugby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭D14Rugby


    Stainalert wrote: »
    Ok you obviously have issues with the pitch but you haven't played on the new surface

    I said as much and that I'd reserve judgement.
    and you if you talk to pitch manufacturers you will find that the shock absorber has a much longer shelf life than the turf and depending on the quality of the shock absorber can last more than twice the length of time the turf will last.

    That doesn't mean it's currently the best, as i said it may have been when it was laid but it isnt now.
    Donnybrook doesn't actually have a shock absorber.

    Yes it does.
    The bounce test that I refer to is actually an insurance test and the insurance companies use this test to calculate the potential for injury on the pitch. The test itself actually has very little to do with the length of time a pitch has been laid. The old Lansdowne pitch did test better than the Donnybrook - not an opinion.

    The biggest factors in the bounce test is the length of the carpet "grass" blades, the amount of rubber pellets in the pitch and how deep they are in the pitch, this means that older pitches once they are brushed semi well have an advantage over their newer counterparts.

    It's not an insurance test either its a sports governing body test that has to be done for the body to sign it off as IRFU/FIFA etc approved which is what insurance companies look for, insurance companies dont ask for that specific test just the certification that the test allows the pitch to gain


  • #475
    The Lost Sheep
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    results
    1A
    Clontarf 16 Lansdowne 3
    2A
    Old Crescent 20 Cashel 34
    2B
    Skerries 44 Barnhall 49


  • #476
    Chico Flores
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Chico Flores


    Stainalert wrote: »
    Why do you say that?

    Because it's less painful to play on now from what I'm told.

    And not as good as the other two named.


  • #477
    Heres Johnny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,691 ✭✭✭Heres Johnny


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    results
    1A
    Clontarf 16 Lansdowne 3
    2A
    Old Crescent 20 Cashel 34
    2B
    Skerries 44 Barnhall 49

    I was in skerries. Barnhall much the better team but made hard work of it


  • #478
    Stainalert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭Stainalert


    Good win by Clontarf - very impressive performance. Lansdowne never really got going. Welsh referee was awful - stop start the whole day, 7 yellow cards and 38 penalties between the two teams. Tarf were full value for their win though.


  • #479
    iminterestd0
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 154 ✭✭iminterestd0


    Stainalert wrote: »
    Good win by Clontarf - very impressive performance. Lansdowne never really got going. Welsh referee was awful - stop start the whole day, 7 yellow cards and 38 penalties between the two teams. Tarf were full value for their win though.

    howd their hooker play? is u20 eligible.

    James Kenny involved with Lansdowne seniors at all?


  • #480
    Chico Flores
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Chico Flores


    iminterestd0 wrote: »
    howd their hooker play? is u20 eligible.

    James Kenny involved with Lansdowne seniors at all?

    He was subbing for the Metro 1 side last week.

    Assume he will play in the Premier 1 20s this weekend


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  • #481
    ArmchairQB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 958 ✭✭✭ArmchairQB


    D14Rugby wrote: »
    From pictures looks like the Lansdowne Road pitch just had a new carpet put down which will help a bit but not bring it to the same standard as Donnybrook, Terenure, Clontarf.

    I'll reserve judgement until its bedded in and I see it in person though

    From 7s coaches and players they say the Lansdowne pitch is much improved and at least equal to Donnybrook & Clontarf & better than Terenures which apparently has been having a few issues. UCD likely next in line for new pitch expect to see more and more over the next few years


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