Looking forward to budget.

ednwireland · 02-10-2018 1:18pm

we are losing people to the public sector as an sme cant compete with the salaries , flexi hours, holidays, career breaks.

tried myself but getting too old now !

badtoro · 02-10-2018 1:21pm

Xcellor wrote: »

The Government is also likely to push the line that Ireland is viewed as lagging behind when it comes to actively tackling climate change.

Carbon tax is used internationally as a way of changing habits and encouraging people to use more green energy.

What "carbon tax" is being levied towards farming given its large contribution to emissions. Is "green diesel" going to be taxed? Is the production of animals going to be levied too?

Why is changing habits only about what motor vehicle people drive and not what food we consume? Tax on high carbon + environmentally unfriendly foods...

Tax the hell out of the importation of avocados.

Cordell · 02-10-2018 1:22pm

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Just hope they use some lube when then fcuk me over again.

They will change you carbon tax for the lube.

lmimmfn · 02-10-2018 1:23pm

Will be like last year, usual crap, give 5 euro a month in tax cuts take 25euro a month on something mandatory like fuel or heating

02-10-2018 1:23pm

They should cut welfare payments. There is no incentive to get jobs for the long-term unemployed!

Emme · 02-10-2018 1:25pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

I reckon it will come to a head, that the continual decline in living standards for many , to keep the other group nice and cosy , won’t be tolerated forever!

They're hedging that those who are working are too exhausted and ground down to stand up and demand justice so they keep placating the other lot who have feck all else to do but ask for more on top of what they already have.

I know we can't afford to do this, but today I was thinking if ALL workers (those in unions, those not in unions, the self-employed/SMEs) got together and downed tools for a week and sacrificed a weeks pay the government would be in deep s*** from the loss of revenue income. Even for a week.

Then again there could be a more sinister agenda to the budget policy of buttering up the welfare classes and punishing the taxpayer. This could drive a wedge between those in employment and those who are not while in the meantime worker and unemployed alike are struggling to put roofs over their heads. Maybe they hope those who are working will direct their anger towards those who are not working instead of rightly towards the government.

This was the policy used by the government during the last recession when they cut the wages of all public servants (well really those at the bottom, those at the top managed to sneak back their full salaries or avoid the cuts altogether) and used the national media to make scapegoats of all public servants to deflect blame from themselves. Up until then permanent pensionable "jobs for life" were seen as options for losers.

Do not let the government shift the blame for their disastrous decisions and housing policy onto any other group of people.

ednwireland wrote: »

we are losing people to the public sector as an sme cant compete with the salaries , flexi hours, holidays, career breaks.

tried myself but getting too old now !

SMEs have always got a raw deal. Rather than foster home-grown enterprise and create employment locally the government would rather give tax-breaks to international corporations. SMEs are probably losing people to international corporations as well.

Graces7 · 02-10-2018 1:40pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

How many of us will be getting a f**cking Christmas bonus?! The young and relatively are being hammered to pay for the decades of pensioner buy offs and they continue to do it. And then you have those whom some class as “the vulnerable “ the wasters with guaranteed incomes, no job, no commute, no stress, no debt or serious debt anyway.

I reckon it will come to a head, that the continual decline in living standards for many , to keep the other group nice and cosy , won’t be tolerated forever!

Interesting idea :eek:

Franz Von Peppercorn · 02-10-2018 1:40pm

In a post union world no general strike is possible.

And the unions, when they were composed of more private sector workers than public sector workers, actually marched for tax cuts.

noodler · 02-10-2018 1:43pm

SteM wrote: »

Can someone explain this line to me please?

What does 'and demographics' mean in this context?

About 1.5bn is for precommited capital expenditure.

About 400 for demographcis (biggest is more people becoming eligible for state pension).

PS pay is 300-400.

Full year impact of previous budget measures another couple of hundred of million (can't bring in welfare/pension increases in March and not expect a larger full year cost the following year).

For Forks Sake · 02-10-2018 1:57pm

Emme wrote: »

People attack teachers, nurses, firefighters, hospital, council, corporation and university workers when public service pay increases are mentioned but the reality is most of it goes to Leinster House (they've awarded themselves a pay rise already) while the rest of us get a paltry 1 or if we're lucky 2 per cent which isn't in line with inflation and certainly isn't in line with the extra taxes they keep saddling us with.

This isn't remotely true - TD's pay is no longer decided by the house (mostly thanks to the sort of sh1tehawkery that went on in Berties day) - their increase is linked to civil service rates now so any increase is directly in line.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2016/1020/825582-fempi-payments/

http://www.thejournal.ie/td-salary-increase-3023376-Oct2016/

Feisar · 02-10-2018 2:31pm

Deleted User wrote: »

They should cut welfare payments. There is no incentive to get jobs for the long-term unemployed!

However there is incentive for us to keep paying them. It keeps crime at a reasonable level.

Idbatterim · 02-10-2018 2:37pm

Feisar wrote: »

However there is incentive for us to keep paying them. It keeps crime at a reasonable level.

LOL! LAUGH OUT LOUD!

Ace2007 · 02-10-2018 2:43pm

Emme wrote: »

People attack teachers, nurses, firefighters, hospital, council, corporation and university workers when public service pay increases are mentioned but the reality is most of it goes to Leinster House (they've awarded themselves a pay rise already) while the rest of us get a paltry 1 or if we're lucky 2 per cent which isn't in line with inflation and certainly isn't in line with the extra taxes they keep saddling us with.

this pay rise that you talk about is the same pay rise that all public sector workers are getting. They aren't just giving it to themselves.

Ace2007 · 02-10-2018 2:55pm

Deleted User wrote: »

They should cut welfare payments. There is no incentive to get jobs for the long-term unemployed!

I think that the welfare payments should introduce and new tier, one that if your on the dole for more than 3 years (in this current economic climate), that you should be given the same benefits as those seeking asylum

They receive €21.60 per week, they do not get rent supplement and there are put wherever the government sees fit - whether that is Dingle, Douglas or Dalkey.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/asylum_seekers_and_refugees/services_for_asylum_seekers_in_ireland/direct_provision.html

Idbatterim · 02-10-2018 2:58pm

Deleted User wrote: »

They should cut welfare payments. There is no incentive to get jobs for the long-term unemployed!

While I totally agree, this is Ireland we are talking about! It will never happen unless they target everyone in society, as it would be "unfair." Even freezing them as I propose, so that we can pay essential state workers reasonable pay and not thieve 50% off low income workers over E34,500, thats far too radical. No just carry on...

Fr_Dougal · 02-10-2018 3:16pm

I don’t want any tax cuts, by the time it trickles down it won’t amount to much anyhow. Spend it on infrastructure instead, decent regular public transport.

Likewise, no increase in social welfare. Put that money towards education/skills grants for the unemployed.

Idbatterim · 02-10-2018 3:19pm

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I don’t want any tax cuts, by the time it trickles down it won’t amount to much anyhow. Spend it on infrastructure instead, decent regular public transport.

Likewise, no increase in social welfare. Put that money towards education/skills grants for the unemployed.

have you noticed something about this country? the infrastructure is near third world, other than the decent road network. Yet IR and luas staff pay is world class, not a chance, the spend would no doubt be used to further boost their outrageous pay and packages!

Ace2007 · 02-10-2018 3:27pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

have you noticed something about this country? the infrastructure is near third world, other than the decent road network. Yet IR and luas staff pay is world class, not a chance, the spend would no doubt be used to further boost their outrageous pay and packages!

I take it you've never been to a third world country - been a little bit more than dramatic with that comment.

Luas is run by a private operator last time I checked so they can pay whatever they wanted. Problem is thought they serve the public and can strike their way to more money and don't give a sh!t who they annoy. The majority of people who serve the public could do the same, except the majority won't play the nuclear card cause they think of others.

Dude89 · 02-10-2018 3:35pm

Ace2007 wrote: »

I think that the welfare payments should introduce and new tier, one that if your on the dole for more than 3 years (in this current economic climate), that you should be given the same benefits as those seeking asylum

They receive €21.60 per week, they do not get rent supplement and there are put wherever the government sees fit - whether that is Dingle, Douglas or Dalkey.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/asylum_seekers_and_refugees/services_for_asylum_seekers_in_ireland/direct_provision.html

And when they come out of direct provision they receive a free house, social welfare , child welfare, grants, free education, the vast majority of Asylum claims are rejected and instead are given leave to remain VISAS. Vast majority are lifestyle seekers in my opinion

Ace2007 · 02-10-2018 3:44pm

Dude89 wrote: »

And when they come out of direct provision they receive a free house, social welfare , child welfare, grants, free education, the vast majority of Asylum claims are rejected and instead are given leave to remain VISAS. Vast majority are lifestyle seekers in my opinion

I'm not talking about them, I said that we should adopt the same welfare payments that they get when on asylum. After all if he's good enough for many who want to better themselves with education/work, then it should be good enough for those who have no interest in contributing to society. You would soon be finding a job if you knew your SW was going to be cut to €21.60 a week.

Emme · 02-10-2018 3:54pm

For Forks Sake wrote: »

This isn't remotely true - TD's pay is no longer decided by the house (mostly thanks to the sort of sh1tehawkery that went on in Berties day) - their increase is linked to civil service rates now so any increase is directly in line.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2016/1020/825582-fempi-payments/

http://www.thejournal.ie/td-salary-increase-3023376-Oct2016/

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/tds-enjoy-pay-increase-of-935-before-budget-37375171.html

Dude89 · 02-10-2018 3:54pm

Ace2007 wrote: »

I'm not talking about them, I said that we should adopt the same welfare payments that they get when on asylum. After all if he's good enough for many who want to better themselves with education/work, then it should be good enough for those who have no interest in contributing to society. You would soon be finding a job if you knew your SW was going to be cut to €21.60 a week.

There's plenty of non EU migrants on welfare in this country and in tax payer funded housing. 21.60 a week is a pipe dream lol. People in direct provision get their every need catered for. So the comparison doesn't make sense.

For Forks Sake · 02-10-2018 3:56pm

Emme wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/tds-enjoy-pay-increase-of-935-before-budget-37375171.html

Second line in the article:

Deputies received a 1pc pay rise, which kicked in from yesterday under the current public sector pay deal.

Sixth line in the article:

TDs' wages are pegged at the fifth incremental point on the salary scale of a principal officer in the civil service, so they go up when those workers get a rise.

and fifth line in the article:

However, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar and his ministers have already waived the increases following a previous outcry - leaving their pay at 2013 rates.

Now put the pitchfork away.

Emme · 02-10-2018 4:09pm

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Second line in the article:

Sixth line in the article:

and fifth line in the article:

Are you a TD?

Ace2007 · 02-10-2018 4:12pm

Dude89 wrote: »

There's plenty of non EU migrants on welfare in this country and in tax payer funded housing. 21.60 a week is a pipe dream lol. People in direct provision get their every need catered for. So the comparison doesn't make sense.

How does it not make sense?
I guarantee you that the majority of people in Ireland would not like to live in the conditions of an Asylum person.

We shouldn't have a system that allows someone to be on the dole for an infinite amount of time, without any incentive to get off of it. How many packs of cigarettes etc could they buy with €21.60. They wouldn't have the income to spend money on what they want, which in turn should lead to them realizing this and getting a job before the reach that tier.

For Forks Sake · 02-10-2018 4:13pm

Emme wrote: »

Are you a TD?

No.

Nor am I a senator, county councilor nor a civil servant.

I do however have a very low tolerance for hyperbole and "fake news".

Ace2007 · 02-10-2018 4:16pm

Emme wrote: »

Are you a TD?

For Forks Sake wrote: »

No. Nor am I a senator, county councilor nor a civil servant.

wouldn't make a difference if (s)he was or not, the fact still remains, the TD's didn't give themselves a pay rise - it's part of the pay restorations, which you clearly don't understand or don't want to.

Emme · 02-10-2018 4:18pm

Ace2007 wrote: »

wouldn't make a difference if (s)he was or not, the fact still remains, the TD's didn't give themselves a pay rise - it's part of the pay restorations, which you clearly don't understand or don't want to.

OK then. It seems that some pay restorations are more equal than others.

noodler · 02-10-2018 4:19pm

Emme wrote: »

Are you a TD?

Too much fact for you, was it?

Ace2007 · 02-10-2018 4:31pm

Emme wrote: »

OK then. It seems that some pay restorations are more equal than others.

What does that even mean?

Looking forward to budget.

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