2018 Ryder Cup

Joe_ Public · 02-10-2018 12:03pm

GreeBo wrote: »

Best possible team probably doesnt include a guy who hasnt played due to injury for weeks though...hard to say if there was malice involved or not.

I think Seve just wanted to win...at all costs.

No, there was much more to it than that. I’d have to read up on it but I think Martin felt he was being set up. He needed more time for the injury to heal and could not understand why it wouldn’t be granted, alleging that if he was, say, Olazábal or Monty, the extension would have been instantly granted. From memory I believe a lot of people were sympathetic towards that position.

Pa8301 · 02-10-2018 12:05pm

GreeBo wrote: »

Best possible team probably doesnt include a guy who hasnt played due to injury for weeks though...hard to say if there was malice involved or not.

I think Seve just wanted to win...at all costs.

Seve definitely marched to the beat of his own drum at times. I don't think Monty appreciated him conceding Hoch's putt to halve their match once the cup was won.

54and56 · 02-10-2018 12:15pm

NDWC wrote: »

This is awful, from what I remember though there were definitely shouts of fore.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/oct/01/brooks-koepka-ryder-cup-spectator

I can't think of any other public event where spectators would be allowed stand in such close proximity to an incoming rock hard projectile with such a high possibility of missing it's target and entering the area spectators are permitted to stand. The only other sport with such fluid spectator movement in close proximity to danger that I can think of is rally driving/motorcycle TT racing.

I assume the T&C's of the ticket spectators purchase somehow signs away their right to a compensation claim if hit be a wayward shot providing the protocol of the player or his caddie shouting "fore" is adhered to.

It's always amazed me how standard Health & Safety measures seem to be suspended in order to allow spectators stand close to the edge of fairways and around greens and in particular when a player is hitting from the rough. There are frequently camera angles from behind the player and it looks like he is hitting a shot through a very narrow gap of spectators to the green. A mi**** shot or shank and someone is getting a speeding bullet of a ball straight into them!!

AdamD · 02-10-2018 12:19pm

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

I can't think of any other public event where spectators would be allowed stand in such close proximity to an incoming rock hard projectile with such a high possibility of missing it's target and entering the area spectators are permitted to stand. The only other sport with such fluid spectator movement in close proximity to danger that I can think of is rally driving/motorcycle TT racing.

I assume the T&C's of the ticket spectators purchase somehow signs away their right to a compensation claim if hit be a wayward shot providing the protocol of the player or his caddie shouting "fore" is adhered to.

It's always amazed me how standard Health & Safety measures seem to be suspended in order to allow spectators stand close to the edge of fairways and around greens and in particular when a player is hitting from the rough. There are frequently camera angles from behind the player and it looks like he is hitting a shot through a very narrow gap of spectators to the green. A mi**** shot or shank and someone is getting a speeding bullet of a ball straight into them!!

I particularly enjoy these when the player has just clearly blazed a driver 60 yards right and yet they're willing to create a tiny gap for him to shoot through :pac:

54and56 · 02-10-2018 12:20pm

AdamD wrote: »

I particularly enjoy these when the player has just clearly blazed a driver 60 yards right and yet they're willing to create a tiny gap for him to shoot through :pac:

EXACTLY, it's absolutely mental!!

Mushy · 02-10-2018 12:27pm

GreeBo wrote: »

Best possible team probably doesnt include a guy who hasnt played due to injury for weeks though...hard to say if there was malice involved or not.

I think Seve just wanted to win...at all costs.

They could have given him more time though (based solely on reading that article). Squeezing it in before wildcard picks weeks before the tournament would have me suspicious

prawnsambo · 02-10-2018 2:09pm

L'Equipe reporting that the blow up between the Bash Brothers (Johnson and Koepka) started on the plane over and continued into the team room despite Jim Furyk's pleas to put it behnd them. His original plan to play them together had to be torn up and only when the situation became desparate did he eventually put them together on Saturday afternoon. Tiger Woods apparently tried to act as peacemaker, but he was also heavily fatigued and was walking slowly on the advice of his physio. According to a staff member, the atmosphere was horrible and Jim Furyk was devastated. Johnson and Koepka eventually had to be separated at the European team celebration dinner, before they came to blows.

Joe_ Public · 02-10-2018 2:25pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

L'Equipe reporting that the blow up between the Bash Brothers (Johnson and Koepka) started on the plane over and continued into the team room despite Jim Furyk's pleas to put it behnd them. His original plan to play them together had to be torn up and only when the situation became desparate did he eventually put them together on Saturday afternoon. Tiger Woods apparently tried to act as peacemaker, but he was also heavily fatigued and was walking slowly on the advice of his physio. According to a staff member, the atmosphere was horrible and Jim Furyk was devastated. Johnson and Koepka eventually had to be separated at the European team celebration dinner, before they came to blows.

Unbelievable stuff really, wonder what the initial flare up was all about. Remember Dusty’s tweet a few weeks back about how he and his great pal were going to put the willies up the entire European team!

02-10-2018 2:50pm

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Unbelievable stuff really, wonder what the initial flare up was all about. Remember Dusty’s tweet a few weeks back about how he and his great pal were going to put the willies up the entire European team!

probably something about the wife!

you know it's been a Ryder cup where the golf wasn't exciting when all the stories are about US bust-ups.

Benildus · 02-10-2018 2:50pm

I wonder was Paulina Gretzky a factor in their bustup......

prawnsambo · 02-10-2018 3:01pm

Benildus wrote: »

I wonder was Paulina Gretzky a factor in their bustup......

According to a Golf Digest article she was a 'central figure'. All very messy and a disaster for poor old Jim Furyk. I doubt he'll want the job again.

Joe_ Public · 02-10-2018 3:33pm

glasso wrote: »

probably something about the wife!

you know it's been a Ryder cup where the golf wasn't exciting when all the stories are about US bust-ups.

Always better when it’s a nail biter of course, but I still thought it was a good contest and a spectacular golf course added immensely to it. There was actually a spell midway through the singles where Europe went from 1/100 in the betting to around 1/5 in the space of 20 or 25 minutes which was kind of exciting. For a while it did look as if it was in the balance, didn’t need an awful lot more for a serious momentum shift.

valoren · 02-10-2018 4:58pm

Benildus wrote: »

I wonder was Paulina Gretzky a factor in their bustup......

Specifically what happened to cause Johnson and Koepka to be separated is unclear. A source told Golf Digest that Paulina Gretzky, Johnson's fiancee, was a central figure in the incident. Koepka's girlfriend, Jena Sims, was also involved.

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/dustin-johnson-brooks-koepka-paulina-gretzky-and-others-reportedly-separated-at-ryder-cup-party-koepkas-representation-refutes-story

Seems to be the case. You can see how something could have kicked off. Gretzky had deleted all photos of DJ on her instagram in the weeks before the RC. Clearly there must be problems in the relationship. She may have said something snarky to an equally glamorous Sims and Koepka or Sims might have called her on her snark.

DJ already in the doghouse see's that he has to step up (or else) to defend Gretzky. He for example might tell Sims/Koepka to not speak to her like that/STFU/she didn't mean anything by that/yadda yadda yadda. Throw in a few expletives here and there, a hefty quantity of booze and you can see them squaring up to each other to defend their partners, things get heated and they are dragged apart. Needless to say that is all guessing obviously. The 'central figure' remark being an interesting insight so to speak.

02-10-2018 5:00pm

glasso wrote: »

probably something about the wife!

you know it's been a Ryder cup where the golf wasn't exciting when all the stories are about US bust-ups.

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/dustin-johnson-brooks-koepka-paulina-gretzky-and-others-reportedly-separated-at-ryder-cup-party-koepkas-representation-refutes-story

Specifically what happened to cause Johnson and Koepka to be separated is unclear. A source told Golf Digest that Paulina Gretzky, Johnson's fiancee, was a central figure in the incident. Koepka's girlfriend, Jena Sims, was also involved.

maybe she was wearing a little white dress and there were stairs

prawnsambo · 02-10-2018 7:23pm

valoren wrote: »

Specifically what happened to cause Johnson and Koepka to be separated is unclear. A source told Golf Digest that Paulina Gretzky, Johnson's fiancee, was a central figure in the incident. Koepka's girlfriend, Jena Sims, was also involved.

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/dustin-johnson-brooks-koepka-paulina-gretzky-and-others-reportedly-separated-at-ryder-cup-party-koepkas-representation-refutes-story

Seems to be the case. You can see how something could have kicked off. Gretzky had deleted all photos of DJ on her instagram in the weeks before the RC. Clearly there must be problems in the relationship. She may have said something snarky to an equally glamorous Sims and Koepka or Sims might have called her on her snark.

DJ already in the doghouse see's that he has to step up (or else) to defend Gretzky. He for example might tell Sims/Koepka to not speak to her like that/STFU/she didn't mean anything by that/yadda yadda yadda. Throw in a few expletives here and there, a hefty quantity of booze and you can see them squaring up to each other to defend their partners, things get heated and they are dragged apart. Needless to say that is all guessing obviously. The 'central figure' remark being an interesting insight so to speak.

There was a bust up between them on the plane over. That's why they weren't paired until the very last session. It just blew up again at the party.

joeguevara · 02-10-2018 8:03pm

Is it true that a spectators eye exploded after being hit with a ball?

kiers47 · 02-10-2018 8:09pm

joeguevara wrote: »

Is it true that a spectators eye exploded after being hit with a ball?

There is literally a thread underneath this one discussing it. Also Google is your friend.

joeguevara · 02-10-2018 8:24pm

kiers47 wrote: »

There is literally a thread underneath this one discussing it. Also Google is your friend.

Wasn’t in the golf section so didn’t see a thread. You are right about google but didn’t want to see pictures. But you are right. Apologies.

02-10-2018 8:36pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

There was a bust up between them on the plane over. That's why they weren't paired until the very last session. It just blew up again at the party.

yes but odds on that Paulina was instrumental in kicking it off for a rematch at the dinner.
I'd say she'd wreck your head but it would be worth it

Mantis Toboggan · 02-10-2018 8:51pm

All sorts of rumours coming out on this wonder which ones are true.

prawnsambo · 02-10-2018 9:38pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

All sorts of rumours coming out on this wonder which ones are true.

Well the bust up at the dinner was very public, so not likely to be a rumour. The one on the plane likewise and the reports are coming from witnesses. Patrick Reed's hissy fit about not playing with Jordan came from an interview he did with the NYT. It's all pretty easily backed up.

Mantis Toboggan · 02-10-2018 9:45pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

Well the bust up at the dinner was very public, so not likely to be a rumour. The one on the plane likewise and the reports are coming from witnesses. Patrick Reed's hissy fit about not playing with Jordan came from an interview he did with the NYT. It's all pretty easily backed up.

What caused the bust up though?

prawnsambo · 02-10-2018 10:48pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

What caused the bust up though?

Don't know. There are no rumours about that. Does it actually matter? These are grown men going to play for their country and they couldn't put their personal issues to one side for it. And then add to the indignity of the whole thing by almost coming to blows in front of their erstwhile opponents.

Rikand · 02-10-2018 11:17pm

I didn't get to see Sunday live so recorded it and have been avoiding all Ryder cup talk until today.

Great win for Europe.

Now to catch up on all the drama

FixdePitchmark · 02-10-2018 11:38pm

Rikand wrote: »

I didn't get to see Sunday live so recorded it and have been avoiding all Ryder cup talk until today.

Great win for Europe.

Now to catch up on all the drama

are you saying you avoided full result

:D

Rikand · 02-10-2018 11:52pm

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

are you saying you avoided full result :D

Yep lol.

Loafing Oaf · 03-10-2018 12:27am

Rikand wrote: »

I didn't get to see Sunday live so recorded it and have been avoiding all Ryder cup talk until today.

Great win for Europe.

Now to catch up on all the drama

If you do not wish to know the result of the Ryder cup, lock yourself away in a darkened room without any electronic devices for two days, now.

Ardillaun · 03-10-2018 12:48am

The Ryder Cup has become my favourite golfing event. The permutations and twists make for such compelling TV. Those who query the authenticity of the emotion shown should review Justin Thomas’s singles match against Rory where he repeatedly said things he had to hide into his glove when he missed putts.

If we lose next time, I hope the players don’t descend into recrimination as the Yanks have done. You do your best and that’s all anyone can expect of players or selectors.

Irishdaywalker · 03-10-2018 8:02am

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

NDWC wrote: »

This is awful, from what I remember though there were definitely shouts of fore.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/oct/01/brooks-koepka-ryder-cup-spectator

I can't think of any other public event where spectators would be allowed stand in such close proximity to an incoming rock hard projectile with such a high possibility of missing it's target and entering the area spectators are permitted to stand. The only other sport with such fluid spectator movement in close proximity to danger that I can think of is rally driving/motorcycle TT racing.

I assume the T&C's of the ticket spectators purchase somehow signs away their right to a compensation claim if hit be a wayward shot providing the protocol of the player or his caddie shouting "fore" is adhered to.

It's always amazed me how standard Health & Safety measures seem to be suspended in order to allow spectators stand close to the edge of fairways and around greens and in particular when a player is hitting from the rough. There are frequently camera angles from behind the player and it looks like he is hitting a shot through a very narrow gap of spectators to the green. A mi**** shot or shank and someone is getting a speeding bullet of a ball straight into them!!

Agree. . . There was a shot during the ryder cup when Dustin Johnson was playing a shot with the camera behind him. . he was in all sorts of bother in heavy rough . . ball lay below his feet . . and there was crowds literally 3 ft to his right all the way up to the top of the hill and and a narrow gap to get through, at the time i was thinking i would fancy being one of the spectators there . . easily could have shanked it !

Mantis Toboggan · 03-10-2018 8:13am

prawnsambo wrote: »

Don't know. There are no rumours about that. Does it actually matter?

Absolutely, these are best buds almost coming to blows twice in public. Must be something serious to set them off.

prawnsambo · 03-10-2018 8:43am

Ardillaun wrote: »

The Ryder Cup has become my favourite golfing event. The permutations and twists make for such compelling TV. Those who query the authenticity of the emotion shown should review Justin Thomas’s singles match against Rory where he repeatedly said things he had to hide into his glove when he missed putts.

If we lose next time, I hope the players don’t descend into recrimination as the Yanks have done. You do your best and that’s all anyone can expect of players or selectors.

We lost at Hazeltine and afaik there were no such recriminations. Even though many thought Darren Clarke a poor choice for captain, he got the full support of his team.

RIGOLO · 03-10-2018 9:08am

Great chat with Harrington on Newstalk last night. Worth digging out.
The stuff about Europe hit 5% more fairways than the US in the last Ryder cup, so this course was setup with heavy rough to make it a hitting the fairway 'competition' was very interesting. plus slowing the greens to an 11-12 rather than the US 14 speed, all was worth 2 points to the home team . Seems the yanks had made it a 'birdie' competition last time out when adapting their course.

Some real insight into the mental game also .

Im still on the fence if he should be Captain. Id have no worries if he was vice-Captain and Im sure he contributed alot to this win in that role.. but as the main man, Im not feeling it.

benny79 · 03-10-2018 9:12am

I'd prefer him to be captain in Europe as its very hard to win on American soil as home advantage is a big plus..

prawnsambo · 03-10-2018 9:46am

RIGOLO wrote: »

Great chat with Harrington on Newstalk last night. Worth digging out.
The stuff about Europe hit 5% more fairways than the US in the last Ryder cup, so this course was setup with heavy rough to make it a hitting the fairway 'competition' was very interesting. plus slowing the greens to an 11-12 rather than the US 14 speed, all was worth 2 points to the home team . Seems the yanks had made it a 'birdie' competition last time out when adapting their course.

Some real insight into the mental game also .

Im still on the fence if he should be Captain. Id have no worries if he was vice-Captain and Im sure he contributed alot to this win in that role.. but as the main man, Im not feeling it.

He's been a vice captain a number of times, not just this one. I think his first was under Paul McGinley in 2014 and then again with Darren Clarke in 2016.

Ardillaun · 03-10-2018 12:50pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

We lost at Hazeltine and afaik there were no such recriminations. Even though many thought Darren Clarke a poor choice for captain, he got the full support of his team.

I don't think think we will either. The Europeans have a great team spirit, enabling the lads to try their best and leave it at that. They seem to be able to park their egos for the week.

When Sir Nick congratulated Sergio's record, he mentioned how long he had previously held it. Sergio must have enjoyed saying this:

So when SkyTV caught up with Garcia and asked what it felt like to hit the all-time mark felt, the 2017 Masters champ let loose:

“This means a lot to me,” Garcia said. “I have passed some of my heroes today—and Nick Faldo.”

54and56 · 03-10-2018 12:53pm

benny79 wrote: »

I'd prefer him to be captain in Europe as its very hard to win on American soil as home advantage is a big plus..

He's won big on the US Tour so knows how to set about shaping a team to win where it's a long drive + birdie type shoot out and is generally liked and respected over there so of the potential candidates Europe have he is probably the most suited and up for the challenge.

Ardillaun · 03-10-2018 12:58pm

I wouldn't want to be stuck on a desert island with Harrington but overall I think he'd make a good choice as captain. He's a numbers and details guy and was successful at the very top.

The Yanks will tweak the course to make driving easier. That and the fans will be the big home advantages.

prawnsambo · 03-10-2018 1:01pm

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

He's won big on the US Tour so knows how to set about shaping a team to win where it's a long drive + birdie type shoot out and is generally liked and respected over there so of the potential candidates Europe have he is probably the most suited and up for the challenge.

I don't think Whistling Straits can be set up that way. It's a links style course with a lot of trouble if you go offline. Easy pin positions may help, but half the battle is getting there.

Russman · 03-10-2018 1:14pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

I don't think Whistling Straits can be set up that way. It's a links style course with a lot of trouble if you go offline. Easy pin positions may help, but half the battle is getting there.

Didn't they shoot mad scores though the last time they were there ? -20 or something ? Can't really remember tbh, is that where J Day got his major ?

Dr. Bre · 03-10-2018 1:35pm

Russman wrote: »

Didn't they shoot mad scores though the last time they were there ? -20 or something ? Can't really remember tbh, is that where J Day got his major ?

Yep I think it was day first spieth 2nd

prawnsambo · 03-10-2018 1:37pm

Russman wrote: »

Didn't they shoot mad scores though the last time they were there ? -20 or something ? Can't really remember tbh, is that where J Day got his major ?

Iirc it was playing soft due to weather conditions. But yeah, JDay finished three shots clear on -20 which was a then record score for a major. The previous time the PGA Championship was played there, the winning score was -11. Also, only 11 players had scores under -10 in 2015. I'm not even sure how that winning score would translate to a RC. Afaik, there were a few low scores last weekend in the -5/-6 bracket which is what JDay was getting in 2015.

wildrover444 · 03-10-2018 2:10pm

Padraig did say on the off the ball interview that whistling straits is a European style course and he said they would struggle to get the greens to 14 on the stimp there. He also said he would have alot less workload as captain in the buildup to ryder cup in America. While if it was on in Europe he would alot more promotion work to do. Good interview from Padraig as usual.

MisterAnarchy · 03-10-2018 3:42pm

wildrover444 wrote: »

Padraig did say on the off the ball interview that whistling straits is a European style course and he said they would struggle to get the greens to 14 on the stimp there. He also said he would have alot less workload as captain in the buildup to ryder cup in America. While if it was on in Europe he would alot more promotion work to do. Good interview from Padraig as usual.

No bull with Harrington as usual ,straight talking .
This idea that the Ryder cup captaincy is a full time job for 2 years is ludicrous .

Cork Boy 53 · 03-10-2018 3:46pm

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

No bull with Harrington as usual ,straight talking .
This idea that the Ryder cup captaincy is a full time job for 2 years is ludicrous .

As far as the home team captain is concerned, it is. Arguably less so for the away team captain.

HighLine · 03-10-2018 5:08pm

Koepka quashes any fight rumours https://www.golfchannel.com/article/golf-central-blog/koepka-there-was-no-fight-no-argument-dj/?cid=facebook-gc-a-koepka-there-was-no-fight-no-argument-dj-10032018

"This Dustin thing, I just don’t get. There was no fight, no argument. He’s one of my best friends. I love the kid to death. We talked on the phone Monday and yesterday, so you tell me how we fought.

People like to make a story and run with it. It’s not the first time there’s been a news story that isn’t true that’s gone out."

Mantis Toboggan · 03-10-2018 5:12pm

No smoke without fire!

prawnsambo · 03-10-2018 5:45pm

HighLine wrote: »

Koepka quashes any fight rumours https://www.golfchannel.com/article/golf-central-blog/koepka-there-was-no-fight-no-argument-dj/?cid=facebook-gc-a-koepka-there-was-no-fight-no-argument-dj-10032018

"This Dustin thing, I just don’t get. There was no fight, no argument. He’s one of my best friends. I love the kid to death. We talked on the phone Monday and yesterday, so you tell me how we fought.

People like to make a story and run with it. It’s not the first time there’s been a news story that isn’t true that’s gone out."

Yeah, he also said this: “As far as camaraderie, it was fine, it was perfect,”
Except Patrick Reed had a good whinge in the NYT and said he was close to doing a Phil Mickelson at the presser.

Not really buying it. Especially when there would have been so many witnesses to the incident at the European team party.

Rikand · 03-10-2018 7:53pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

If you do not wish to know the result of the Ryder cup, lock yourself away in a darkened room without any electronic devices for two days, now.

The beans were almost spilled first thing Monday morning when iRadio of all radio stations almost gave me the result. i watched it up to about 10-9 on Monday and then finished off the last 2 hours first thing Tuesday morning.

Avoiding people for the guts of 2 days was hard!

DEFTLEFTHAND · 04-10-2018 4:12pm

Poulter would really get on my nerves.

I'd say secretly the boys can't stand him. Postman my arse, go and deliver in a Major fella.

Tipsy McSwagger · 04-10-2018 4:12pm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Poulter would really get on my nerves.

I'd say secretly the boys can't stand him. Postman my arse, go and deliver in a Major fella.

Go home yank

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