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FE1 Exam Thread (Read 1st post!) NOTICE: YOU MAY SWAP EXAM GRIDS

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭jewels652


    For tort I studied the following:

    General negligence and causation
    Nuisance and rylands
    Defamation
    Damages
    Occupiers
    Trepass
    Passing off
    Products liability
    Employers liability
    Vicarious liability
    Nervios shock

    I am not doing negligent misstatement or liability of authorities fire or animals.
    But I see some people covering them. Am I crazy not to cover them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 Fuguestate


    I'm doing the exact same plus Liability for Animals (probably won't come up but if it does it's easy). I'm feeling the same about Defamation, I might learn the general principles and the key cases just in case.

    Yeah I think I'm gonna do it. It seems like too much of a gamble.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 PuffleHuffLyra


    Hope everyone's getting on okay!

    It's my first sitting - just trying to work out how I'm gonna get there. Is it easy to walk from the Luas stop nearest the hotel to the hotel? I was just looking at google maps and it seems to be a massive roundabout area, no idea if it's possible to walk/how long it'll take me. Any help? I'll be getting the Luas on the red line from town out to the hotel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 Fuguestate


    jewels652 wrote: »
    Am I crazy not to cover them?

    They're small topics, so they're good wild card options. I don't expect them to come up but if they do I'll be laughing.

    You've loads down though. I'd be truly amazed if your didn't have enough for questions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 Bashbag89


    jewels652 wrote: »
    For tort I studied the following:

    General negligence and causation
    Nuisance and rylands
    Defamation
    Damages
    Occupiers
    Trepass
    Passing off
    Products liability
    Employers liability
    Vicarious liability
    Nervios shock

    I am not doing negligent misstatement or liability of authorities fire or animals.
    But I see some people covering them. Am I crazy not to cover them?

    I would suggest doing a quick run through liability for animals and make bullet point notes. Has been known to come up as a part of other problem qs. It's very straightforward and not much in it.
    I would do the same for negligent mistatement ie: Get main principles from Hedley Byrne and Heller and then a couple of cases each for special proximity, assumption of responsibility and disclaimers. It is also quite a short and relatively straightforward topic.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 Fuguestate


    Hope everyone's getting on okay!

    It's my first sitting - just trying to work out how I'm gonna get there. Is it easy to walk from the Luas stop nearest the hotel to the hotel? I was just looking at google maps and it seems to be a massive roundabout area, no idea if it's possible to walk/how long it'll take me. Any help? I'll be getting the Luas on the red line from town out to the hotel.

    Yeah you can walk. There's a pedestrian bridge. It's a 3 or 4 minute walk from the Luas stop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭iamanengine


    Fuguestate wrote: »
    Re negligent misstatement.

    Is the Caparo v Dickman review/restatement of the Hedley Byrne principle good law in Ireland, or is it only of persuasive authority. My manual positions it so it looks like the next key case on the subject but, unusually, it doesn't say it's been adopted by the Irish courts.

    Many thanks.

    I'm not 100% but I think it's good law. Looking at my notes, Caparo limited liability to those the adviser knew or should have known would rely on the advice and knew or should have known the general purpose for which the information was going to be used. This approach seems to have been used in Ireland in Delaney v AIB.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,159 ✭✭✭yournerd


    It really is such a toss up with contract, I'm the same, if I can I'll do 4 problems and one essay. It's usually more technical aspects so I'm gonna try have a knowledge of when they have the duty to contract in good faith as that came up both 2017 papers as an essay and in a problem last exam so he clearly likes it and it wasn't an essay last time. Privity was 2 of the last 3 so I'm leaving that out as I don't think it'll be an essay on it's own again, at most an A or B scenario. I want to have a knowledge also of their interpretation of documents although that's quite heavy and maybe know lots on the formal requirements of contracts for sale of land as they asked that in a form 2 of the last 5 (although once mixed with part performance). Besides that they like termination too, usually in relation to hong kong firs and that line but that was up last too. It really is random. Would be lovely to have something along the lines of consideration come up as it has before!


    where does the good faith topic come up? what questions and chapter ist hat?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 Fuguestate


    I'm not 100% but I think it's good law. Looking at my notes, Caparo limited liability to those the adviser knew or should have known would rely on the advice and knew or should have known the general purpose for which the information was going to be used. This approach seems to have been used in Ireland in Delaney v AIB.

    Cheers!

    The relevant chapter I'm using in my manual (I won't say which college) is a mess. It's riddled with typos and isn't explained very well.

    In any event, in Glencar v Mayo (a case predominantly about pure economic loss) the Court recognised the Hedley Byrne position. That's a 2002 case. Caparo is 1990. So If I'm answering this I'm going with Hedley/Glencar but also flagging how the Caparo decision refined Hedley with a four part test that cuts right to the core of the knowledge/purpose nexus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 Frances456


    Fuguestate wrote: »
    Cheers!

    The relevant chapter I'm using in my manual (I won't say which college) is a mess. It's riddled with typos and isn't explained very well.

    In any event, in Glencar v Mayo (a case predominantly about pure economic loss) the Court recognised the Hedley Byrne position. That's a 2002 case. Caparo is 1990. So If I'm answering this I'm going with Hedley/Glencar but also flagging how the Caparo decision refined Hedley with a four part test that cuts right to the core of the knowledge/purpose nexus.

    Two recent cases -
    Walsh (reaffirmed Hedley)
    Bates (focused on nature of the info and the relationship between the parties)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 Fuguestate


    Frances456 wrote: »
    Two recent cases -
    Walsh (reaffirmed Hedley)
    Bates (focused on nature of the info and the relationship between the parties)

    Excellent! Many thanks!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,159 ✭✭✭yournerd


    If anyone has any colleges predictions, please share!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 Insta92


    For tort, I’m covering the following:

    Negligence
    Damages
    Trespass to Person
    Occupiers Liability
    Nuisance/Rylands v Fletcher
    Defamation
    Passing off
    Vicarious liability
    Nervous shock

    Would you think it’s necessary to cover anymore? Debating to do medical negligence with recent smear test scandal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭jjjjjop


    Hey im sitting my first 3 this week. Only starting to learn off for company now.. im doing
    all on directors about 4 chapters
    authority
    examinership
    receivership
    liquidation
    ultra vires

    im thinking ill only get 4 qs at most out of that or do you think i could get 5? :( so little time left :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 mariealice


    It has been accepted, but only in exceptional circumstances like those in Fairlee.


    This is a stupid question but what case was its accepted in? My manual doesn't mention it :/ also is that ACC Bank v Fairlee?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 mariealice


    jjjjjop wrote: »
    Hey im sitting my first 3 this week. Only starting to learn off for company now.. im doing
    all on directors about 4 chapters
    authority
    examinership
    receivership
    liquidation
    ultra vires

    im thinking ill only get 4 qs at most out of that or do you think i could get 5? :( so little time left :(


    I would definitely cover SLP as well, it comes up nearly every sitting and also borrowing by the company is extremely popular as well so that would be another good one to try and cover


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 Fuguestate


    I'm not 100% but I think it's good law. Looking at my notes, Caparo limited liability to those the adviser knew or should have known would rely on the advice and knew or should have known the general purpose for which the information was going to be used. This approach seems to have been used in Ireland in Delaney v AIB.

    FYI.

    In Wildgust v Bank of Ireland the Court held that Caparo was a clarification of the principles of Hedley rather than a major extension of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 tommyq94


    Has anyone ever sent their legislation to be checked by post?

    My first exam is Company on Wednesday but I wont be in Dublin until around 4 on Tuesday so i'm thinking of sending my Companies Act to the Red Cow Hotel by post with next day delivery tomorrow just to be sure I get it checked in time.

    Has anyone here done this before, or does anyone know if they normally stay around later during the day of an exam to take legislation?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,159 ✭✭✭yournerd


    tommyq94 wrote: »
    Has anyone ever sent their legislation to be checked by post?

    My first exam is Company on Wednesday but I wont be in Dublin until around 4 on Tuesday so i'm thinking of sending my Companies Act to the Red Cow Hotel by post with next day delivery tomorrow just to be sure I get it checked in time.

    Has anyone here done this before, or does anyone know if they normally stay around later during the day of an exam to take legislation?

    Dont spend ur money on post!

    If you give your legislation on the morning of the exam youll get it at 10:15 and tbh that is totally fine! same for all the other exams you will get the legislation at 10:30am the latest!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭TCPIP


    Also the Red Cow won't deal with it for you and the Society won't accept it by post.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 luckyman


    jjjjjop wrote: »
    Hey im sitting my first 3 this week. Only starting to learn off for company now.. im doing
    all on directors about 4 chapters
    authority
    examinership
    receivership
    liquidation
    ultra vires

    im thinking ill only get 4 qs at most out of that or do you think i could get 5? :( so little time left :(

    do an answer on restriction. Handy one to do and comes up all the time. Good luck


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭bigtophat13


    yournerd wrote: »
    where does the good faith topic come up? what questions and chapter ist hat?

    I did it from Implied terms in a Clark and Clarke book and reading some reports and then searching online, implied terms should be the spot anywhere


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭bigtophat13


    jjjjjop wrote: »
    Hey im sitting my first 3 this week. Only starting to learn off for company now.. im doing
    all on directors about 4 chapters
    authority
    examinership
    receivership
    liquidation
    ultra vires

    im thinking ill only get 4 qs at most out of that or do you think i could get 5? :( so little time left :(
    mariealice wrote: »
    I would definitely cover SLP as well, it comes up nearly every sitting and also borrowing by the company is extremely popular as well so that would be another good one to try and cover
    luckyman wrote: »
    do an answer on restriction. Handy one to do and comes up all the time. Good luck

    Definitely agree with the SLP and Borrowing even though the second is broad. Restriction is very common but was up last time.

    I'm going in with
    -Directors (only the 228 duties and that though)
    -SLP
    -Minority Shareholder Rights
    -Liquidation
    -Floating Charges

    as my preferred 5 and they came up in 4,4,3,4,3 of the last 5 sittings respectively. Besides that Examinership and Receivership are good shouts as is ultra vires and authority as they're awhile coming up. You have a good chance of being fine!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 FE1s2018


    Has anyone got predictions for Criminal or what they think might come up?

    I've covered all Offences and Defences, AR, MR, Complicity.

    I haven't yet covered practice and procedure- courts, arrest/warrant, bail etc.. or classification? Does anyone think an essay on Strict Liability is due a run?

    Any advice much appreciated!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 278 ✭✭lawless11


    Is it okay for someone else to drop my piece of legislation in (my student ID being on the legislation)?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭LawBoy2018


    Does any legend want to give me a short breakdown of the cases they'd use + the relevant law for a PQ in Vicarious Liability? Or even have an up to date sample answer that I could use? Freaking out :( I will help you in any way I can <3


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭bigtophat13


    For people doing company, this may seem like a silly question, but in relation to book debt do you need to register such a charge? I was wondering because where you try to create a fixed charge over the bank account the book debt is to be contained in, isn't that against S 408 (1) b relating to not being registerable against bank accounts? Any clarification would be helpful. I know floating charges generally need to be registered book if they're over a bank account also?....

    This probably is very confused and nonsensical ...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭jewels652


    LawBoy2018 wrote: »
    Does any legend want to give me a short breakdown of the cases they'd use + the relevant law for a PQ in Vicarious Liability? Or even have an up to date sample answer that I could use? Freaking out :( I will help you in any way I can <3

    Hi ya
    I can’t sleep so I will give it a try. I am only covering vicarious liability briefly so here we go:
    Vicarious liability: the principle that makes a 3rd party liable for the act of a separate wrongdoer. Note that control over tortfeasor is essential.

    Salmond principle: A master is liable for the act he had not authorised, as long the act is connected with an act he had authorised. Salmond principle was adopted in the case of Lynch v Binacle 2011.

    Moynihan v Moynihan: Sc grandmother was liable for act of daughter who left teapot unattended within reach of granddaughter.

    Note: head of household was the basis for liability no dependent on family relationships.

    So two issues to consider:
    1. Is there a relationship of control or akin to employment
    2. Is the tortious act within the relationship of control

    Is there a master/servant relationship
    Phelan v Coilte: plaintiff worked for def and was paid hourly rate, he paid his own taxes, supplied his own tools and no paid holidays. The court held that there was a master/ servant relationship and found employer liable.
    But in
    Carrol v Post national lottery: the court found that there wasn’t a master/ servant relationship. Plaintiff worked in a shop where lottery was sold.

    Is act within relationship of control

    If not, then there is no vicarious liability

    Smith v stages: Two employees send to do work far away. Travel expenses covered by employer. Employees left work early and were in a car accident. The court founo that employees were within employers hours and was vicarious liable.
    Boyle v Ferguson: employee was car salesman. Was allowed to take car with him all the time to promote business, fuel was paid by employer. One night he was out with two women and had a car accident. The court found employer vicariously liable.

    The test is whether the employee is doing what he is employed to do.
    If the act is not connected with employment then is a Frolic.

    Daniels v whets: bouncer Woking in a nightclub, assaulted plaintiff twice. The court held that the first act was within scope of employment but the second act was a frolic not in connection with employment.

    Usual questions that come are when an employee commits a tort while at work. One of the questions that came up was about an ambulance guy a girl had an accident and he used her phone to call her father. It turned out it wasn’t her phone and rang the wrong guy he was in shock and the question considered was whether who was liable the employer of the ambulance guy or not.

    Initially when reading the question I thought it was about nervous shock so if in doubt just consider the two issues just in case.

    Also consider the sexual abuse cases

    Bazsley v curry Canada 1999 ct held that vicarious liability is appropriate where there is a CLOSE CONNECTION between the creation or enhancement of a risk and the wrongs that acrue therefrom, even if related to employers desire.

    Delahunty v southern health board
    Master of an orphanage sexually assaulted a visitor the court held that there was no strong connection but result would have been different if he had assaulted an inmate.

    Lister v hasley the court found that there was a close connection. Must be a connection between the duties of employee and tort committed.

    O’Keffe v Hickey sexually assaulted by teacher court applied the close connection test.

    More recently court adopted the close connection test in the case of Elmontem v Nethercross 2014.

    That’s all I got. I hope it helps.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 110 ✭✭Smiley283


    When answering a quia timet problem question do we just apply the campus oil test and keep in mind whether the plaintiff has a threatened or apprehended breach of their rights?


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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,627 Mod ✭✭✭✭Robbo


    Smiley283 wrote: »
    When answering a quia timet problem question do we just apply the campus oil test and keep in mind whether the plaintiff has a threatened or apprehended breach of their rights?
    You're looking at a stronger test than Campus for a QT injunction as the case law suggests a strong probability that the apprehended mischief will occur. This is beyond the "fair/bona fide question to be tried" threshold.

    I'd lean towards the test being more along the lines of "strong case" threshold test from Maha Lingham. This also ties in with the higher evidential standard required to grant a QT injunction.


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