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NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

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  • #5492
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,410 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »
    It has been adjusted. The yellow dots would have originally been dark blue and will need to be covered under the NBP which in itself will not be trivial because of their location.

    It all stemmed from the original poor mapping practice of drawing a 1KM radius circle around each cabinet and assuming every premises within was covered. eir must have known about such cases but nothing was said and we ended up with the current mess.

    But its no accurate though if it was the areas around them would also be yellow.

    Its - 'ridiculous' is what it is.


  • #5493
    Rodin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    I'd scrap it altogether.

    Mobile broadband is the way to go.

    So much cheaper.


  • #5494
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    listermint wrote: »
    But its no accurate though if it was the areas around them would also be yellow.

    Its - 'ridiculous' is what it is.

    They have marked each premises that can't get 30Mb. I suppose they could make fields, carparks and the like yellow but that would not really be helping anyone.


  • #5495
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Rodin wrote: »
    I'd scrap it altogether.

    Mobile broadband is the way to go.

    So much cheaper.

    Good man. A visionary like you is just what the country needs.


  • #5496
    SkepticQuark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭SkepticQuark


    Rodin wrote: »
    I'd scrap it altogether.

    Mobile broadband is the way to go.

    So much cheaper.

    Nice bait I r8 8/8.

    I'm not even going to seriously respond to a point that has been consistently rebutted on this topic and others related to rural broadband.


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  • #5497
    BandMember
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,781 ✭✭✭BandMember


    Rodin wrote: »
    I'd scrap it altogether.

    Mobile broadband is the way to go.

    So much cheaper.


    Ah good evening Mr. Bolger, we've been expecting you.....


  • #5498
    user1842
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭user1842


    Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »
    They have marked each premises that can't get 30Mb. I suppose they could make fields, carparks and the like yellow but that would not really be helping anyone.

    It should have been part of the agreement with Eir to cover these houses. They are clearly commercially viable as Eir fibre will pass right by them.

    To say that these houses are not commercially viable is a joke.

    I understand the reason for removing them is that they can't get 30mb but that does not automatically put them into the intervention area. The intervention area is where it is not commercially viable to rollout broadband.

    When the Department were updating the map the should have realised this and not just circle houses without agreeing with Eir to add these circles their fibre roll out.

    This kind of messing undermines the 300k Eir roll out and the agreement with the Government.

    These houses are exchange fed via ADSL2. They sit between 2 VDSL cabinets.

    Honestly I hope/assume that Eir will just cover them, it makes no sense not too.


  • #5499
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    user1842 wrote: »
    It should have been part of the agreement with Eir to cover these houses. They are clearly commercially viable as Eir fibre will pass right by them.

    To say that these houses are not commercially viable is a joke.

    I understand the reason for removing them is that they can't get 30mb but that does not automatically put them into the intervention area. The intervention area is where it is not commercially viable to rollout broadband.

    When the Department were updating the map the should have realised this and not just circle houses without agreeing with Eir to add these circles their fibre roll out.

    This kind of messing undermines the 300k Eir roll out and the agreement with the Government.

    These houses are exchange fed via ADSL2. They sit between 2 VDSL cabinets.

    Honestly I hope/assume that Eir will just cover them, it makes no sense not too.

    I think the issue is that these premises were not "discovered" until after the agreement was signed. I place the blame squarely on open eir. They had pre-qual data for all these lines and they should have known of their existence.

    Having said that the Department did submit a list of such premises to eir asking for them to be covered and it does seem, in some areas at least, that they are being done.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=107616474&postcount=4716


  • #5500
    KOR101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭KOR101


    Leo in the Dail on Tuesday.

    I assume that the normal procurement process is being followed. I met the Ministers, Deputies Naughten and Donohoe, on this issue just last week. I will ask the Minister for Communications, Climate Action and Environment to give the Deputy a more detailed answer than I can. I am confident it is on track and we will be able to sign a contract, and that we will have shovels in the ground and work under way in 2019 to bring high-speed fibre to some of those homes. It will be the biggest single public investment in rural Ireland in a very long time, as big a project in many ways as rural electrification.

    I look forward to having the contracts signed.


  • #5501
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    KOR101 wrote: »
    Leo in the Dail on Tuesday.

    I assume that the normal procurement process is being followed. I met the Ministers, Deputies Naughten and Donohoe, on this issue just last week. I will ask the Minister for Communications, Climate Action and Environment to give the Deputy a more detailed answer than I can. I am confident it is on track and we will be able to sign a contract, and that we will have shovels in the ground and work under way in 2019 to bring high-speed fibre to some of those homes. It will be the biggest single public investment in rural Ireland in a very long time, as big a project in many ways as rural electrification.

    I look forward to having the contracts signed.

    Hopefully there wasn't a massive intake of breath and mass faintings when they opened the tender and saw the figures quoted.


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  • #5502
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,155 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    KOR101 wrote: »
    Leo in the Dail on Tuesday.
    and that we will have shovels in the ground and work under way in 2019


    From September to later in the year to next year to this decade

    LMAO


  • #5503
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,087 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    and that we will have shovels in the ground and work under way in 2019 to bring high-speed fibre to some of those homes.

    Maybe I am just cynical, but this made me wonder why he felt it necessary to insert that word some.

    Was it a direct indication of what the NBP will be? Fibre to some and something else to the rest?


  • #5504
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    Maybe I am just cynical, but this made me wonder why he felt it necessary to insert that word some.

    Was it a direct indication of what the NBP will be? Fibre to some and something else to the rest?

    I suppose it can be read two ways:

    1) We will get some of them done in 2019.

    2) Some of them will not be getting fibre.


  • #5505
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,087 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »
    I suppose it can be read two ways:

    1) We will get some of them done in 2019.

    That might be true if you ignore the
    and work under way in 2019 to bring high-speed fibre to some of those homes.

    he already made it clear 2019 is only the start
    2) Some of them will not be getting fibre.

    Some will be getting fibre ..... and some usually implies less than half. :)

    So either he was winging it and misspoke, or it was planned and holds a message for us.


  • #5506
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    That might be true if you ignore the



    he already made it clear 2019 is only the start



    Some will be getting fibre ..... and some usually implies less than half. :)

    So either he was winging it and misspoke, or it was planned and holds a message for us.

    I doubt Varadkar is overly versed with the technical minutiae of the the plan so I'd go for winging it.


  • #5507
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,087 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »
    I doubt Varadkar is overly versed with the technical minutiae of the the plan so I'd go for winging it.

    I hope you are correct .... but being the cynic that I am ........ ;)


  • #5508
    ArrBee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭ArrBee


    I would assume that this a fairly hot political topic that he therefore *should* be up to speed on.
    We're not talking technical detail really, its a case of "we promised FTTH for nearly everyone, are we on track to provide that after looking at the sole tender?"

    I reckon he would be making sure he knows how close they are tracking to delivering the promise. It will be his primary concern.


  • #5509
    Persiancowboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭Persiancowboy


    Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »
    I doubt Varadkar is overly versed with the technical minutiae of the the plan so I'd go for winging it.

    You can be absolutely certain that Leo's words were scripted by the officials on the NBP in DCCAE......


  • #5510
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    https://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2018-09-25a.95#g96

    There is the quote in context. Dara Calleary asks about 543000 homes. Leo says we will get some of them done in 2019. That is my interpretation of it anyway.


  • #5511
    user1842
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭user1842


    Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »
    https://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2018-09-25a.95#g96

    There is the quote in context. Dara Calleary asks about 543000 homes. Leo says we will get some of them done in 2019. That is my interpretation of it anyway.

    Yeah, maybe one or two done in December 2019


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  • #5512
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,087 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »
    https://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2018-09-25a.95#g96

    There is the quote in context. Dara Calleary asks about 543000 homes. Leo says we will get some of them done in 2019. That is my interpretation of it anyway.

    It is, to say the least, ambiguous.


  • #5513
    KOR101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭KOR101


    Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »
    Hopefully there wasn't a massive intake of breath and mass faintings when they opened the tender and saw the figures quoted.
    Naughton was over the moon making the announcement. And Leo, doesn't sound in the slightest worried. So, I think they think they have it in the bag. Everything is as wobbly as hell, but I don't think the contract itself will be a problem. There is potential that something else suddenly comes into the equation.


  • #5514
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    KOR101 wrote: »
    Naughton was over the moon making the announcement. And Leo, doesn't sound in the slightest worried. So, I think they think they have it in the bag. Everything is as wobbly as hell, but I don't think the contract itself will be a problem. There is potential that something else suddenly comes into the equation.

    I'd agree with you. It all seems positive at the minute. I just think that all of us who have been following the process since the beginning are understandably cynical given the hiccups we've encountered over the years!


  • #5515
    KOR101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭KOR101


    I have been advised by my Department that the Bidding Consortium in the National Broadband procurement process is led by Granahan McCourt and that the bidder has nominated a number of key subcontractors including enet, Nokia, Actavo, the Kelly Group and KN Group to assist in the delivery of the National Broadband Plan Contract.

    My Department is evaluating the Final Tender submission received from the Bidding Consortium on 18 September 2018. This is a significant milestone as the NBP procurement process has now entered its final stage.

    https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2018-09-26a.430&s=national+broadband+plan#g433.r


  • #5516
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    The thing were I put the big question mark is, that how can the government legally can accept a bid from a consortium, that is completely different from when they entered the tendering process ?

    Nevermind legally award a tender, when there only is one bidder.

    /M


  • #5517
    Ultimanemo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Ultimanemo


    TBH, The only thing I am hoping for is Vodafone will sweeten up their 150G plan a little bit "but not too much" and I will join them.


  • #5518
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    PAC set to examine the NBP tender process.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/pac-to-examine-national-broadband-plan-872058.html


  • #5519
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    *insert merry-go-round gif here*


  • #5520
    SkepticQuark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭SkepticQuark


    There is only one video for this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31g0YE61PLQ


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  • #5521
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,155 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »
    PAC set to examine the NBP tender process.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/pac-to-examine-national-broadband-plan-872058.html

    Whilst this may seem like a hassle for those on 1mb download it's good these questions are being asked now because something smells a bit off and may come back to bite you down the road.


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