Venom

nix · 11-08-2018 01:59AM

I'd say it just scored poorly with test audiences and they're just doing what they know will for sure make the film profit..

God damn i really hate test audiences :mad:

Venom · 11-08-2018 04:25PM

nix wrote: »

I'd say it just scored poorly with test audiences and they're just doing what they know will for sure make the film profit..

God damn i really hate test audiences

I can't find the link but read somewhere during the week Sony was looking to stick/allow some of the Marvel characters they control the rights of, to be used in a shared deal in the MCU like they did with Spiderman. That could also explain the re-editing of this movie to make it more Marvel movie-friendly?

pixelburp · 11-08-2018 04:49PM

I'd thought that was always the deal, ever since spider man was allowed back into the MCU, that some crossover would be on the cards. In which case starting out with an R rated Venom was a bit silly. Never underestimate the likelyhood of the panicky, self destructive studio executive

Venom · 11-08-2018 05:05PM

Well considering studios still haven't wised up to not giving the entire movie away in the trailer. There was no need to giveaway that Riot was going to be the big bad villain of the movie in that last trailer imho.

pixelburp · 14-09-2018 12:58PM

Confirmed to be PG-13, by way of America's AMC cinema chain.

Variety also reports that Sony are predicting $55-$60 million debut, so that'll be an interesting one to watch out for. I wouldn't say there's a lot riding on this film, but certain the short-medium term viability of this Sony Spiderverse project of theirs.

HandsomeBob · 14-09-2018 10:59PM

They'll be doing well to track that number because it looks sh1t. Dreading this tbh because if it gets slated then that's Venom more or less done as a property.

Venom fan since childhood and I got ****ed in 2007. Pretty sure I'm going to get ****ed here again.

The Golden Miller · 14-09-2018 11:31PM

HandsomeBob wrote: »

They'll be doing well to track that number because it looks sh1t. Dreading this tbh because if it gets slated then that's Venom more or less done as a property.

Venom fan since childhood and I got ****ed in 2007. Pretty sure I'm going to get ****ed here again.

Same. If it gets slated and canned, we'll have had nearly 20 years in this modern era of superhero films, yet still no Venom/Carnage showdown on the big screen. Is that so much to ask for? Seemingly so

Zero-Cool · 14-09-2018 11:37PM

HandsomeBob wrote: »

Venom fan since childhood and I got ****ed in 2007. Pretty sure I'm going to get ****ed here again.

I remember being so upset in the cinema, couldn't believe what I was witnessing. Was so happy to finally see Venom on the screen and I just have the memory of Tophet grace trying to be a tough guy and watching the symbiote turn Tobey Maguire emo. Like they pissed all over my favourite marvel villain.

I still think this can be ok, I just have lowered my expectations to just expect a hopefully fun popcorn flick.

pixelburp · 15-09-2018 01:21PM

HandsomeBob wrote: »

They'll be doing well to track that number because it looks sh1t. Dreading this tbh because if it gets slated then that's Venom more or less done as a property.

Venom fan since childhood and I got ****ed in 2007. Pretty sure I'm going to get ****ed here again.

Apparently that figure is a cautious one from Sony; hard to know how this one is going to pan & the PG-13 screams a hasty patch job in the editing room - assuming this was originally scripted and shot as R-rated. Might end up being itself a 'turd in the wind'

brianregan09 · 15-09-2018 03:02PM

I think this will still be pretty decent , I for one am looking forward to it, Big Venom fan aswell , it is what it is , Ideally the best way for this to happen would for Spiderman to find the suit while in space during Infinity War but look what can you do , it's happening

Lethal protector is a good storyline in the comics and easily works without Spiderman

HandsomeBob · 15-09-2018 04:05PM

pixelburp wrote: »

Apparently that figure is a cautious one from Sony; hard to know how this one is going to pan & the PG-13 screams a hasty patch job in the editing room - assuming this was originally scripted and shot as R-rated. Might end up being itself a 'turd in the wind'

Am I the only one though that think the effects look awful. Like that "we are Venom" visual at the end of one of the trailers. ****ing ****e!

pixelburp · 26-09-2018 06:16PM

A clip of Venom in action has surfaced. While it's possibly edited for promotional purposes, the violence feels incredibly PG-13;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDbIgO70hKo

pjohnson · 26-09-2018 06:18PM

pixelburp wrote: »

A clip of Venom in action has surfaced. While it's possibly edited for promotional purposes, the violence feels incredibly PG-13;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDbIgO70hKo

He got Mr. Wilhelm anyway.

bullvine · 28-09-2018 11:15AM

It seems to be 15A

15A – Minimum age for admission is 15, but younger children can be admitted if accompanied by an adult (15PG between 1 June 2001 - 1 January 2005).

i thought it might be 12A, I am wondering would it be suitable for a 9 year old who has seen most recent comic book movies..

pixelburp · 28-09-2018 11:42AM

The UK are classifying it as 15, and the BBFC is usually a pretty good site for researching that sort of thing (side point, Ireland's IFCO site is hideously out of date; slow and ugly. Their Venom info isn't as detailed)

The BBFC say:

THREAT
There are a number of sequences in which people are threatened and attacked by the alien organisms, or by people into whose bodies the aliens have entered.

Horror sequences include the alien organisms entering people's bodies, causing their limbs to distort and their bones to crack. There is sight of injury detail, including protruding bones

VIOLENCE
Stronger moments of violence include people being impaled by the alien organisms, sometimes with bloody detail, and people being eaten by the aliens. There is also moderate action violence throughout, including heavy punches, kicks and other blows as well as use of tasers.

There is also infrequent strong language ('f**k'), alongside milder bad language (eg 'pussy', 's**t'). There are sequences in which live animals appear to be eaten but no animals were harmed in the making of the film.

peteeeed · 02-10-2018 11:47AM

the early reviews are in and they are not good

ouch
https://twitter.com/DanielRPK/status/1046988389147467776

https://metro.co.uk/2018/10/02/venom-critics-give-movie-harsh-reviews-despite-tom-hardy-wanting-sequel-7997315/

HandsomeBob · 02-10-2018 12:42PM

Balls on Sony for announcing Morbius ahead of the release for this. Hopefully this tanks and they give up by handing the full library back to Disney in exchange for a now AND WELL DESERVED reduced sum for doing such damage to the character.

pixelburp · 02-10-2018 12:52PM

I suppose usually when the initial Twitter reaction is breathlessly enthusiastic, the caveat is to caution their reliability - same should probably apply here. Could just be a case of people wanting to hate the movie. That one tweet comparing it to something from the 2000s though, the trailers have felt like something deeply archaic.

2smiggy · 02-10-2018 12:58PM

i still remain somewhat optimistic

Loughc · 02-10-2018 01:04PM

peteeeed wrote: »

the early reviews are in and they are not good

ouch
https://twitter.com/DanielRPK/status/1046988389147467776

https://metro.co.uk/2018/10/02/venom-critics-give-movie-harsh-reviews-despite-tom-hardy-wanting-sequel-7997315/

No surprise at all, the trailers look awful and there is not much appeal in having a Venom movie without it being in the Spider-Man/MCU universe.

Fysh · 02-10-2018 01:24PM

Counterpoint to the "give it back to Disney" argument - if you think Sony are making a balls of this, what do you think the company that's making a Pg13 cut of Deadpool would do with the concept? Because I doubt it'd be any good...

(Caveat: I find most of the MCU films tediously samey and bland, so I don't share the desire to see more properties move over to Marvel's production process. I'm going to see Venom tomorrow night so will report back afterwards.)

kerplun k · 02-10-2018 02:16PM

Jeez, The Catwoman comparison is damming.
What is it about Sony.... With the exception of BR2049, they managed to make a mess of every film they touch.
They've gone out and spent money on a competent director and excellent lead, which I’m guessing wouldn’t have signed up if the script wasn’t up to scratch.., but somehow they've still managed to balls this up (if early reaction is to be believed).

Too much studio meddling me thinks. It was supposed to be R-rated, now I hear its PG13. Tom Hardy was on recently saying his favourite 40m was cut. I think with Sony, it’s a case of too many cooks, too much interference from too many higher ups. By the time it hits screens, I think most of the creative originality and vision has been strangled out and replaced with ideas from studio bosses trying to play it safe. In today’s market, there is no reward without any risk. I don’t believe for a second that the current version of this is what the director intended.

brianregan09 · 02-10-2018 02:25PM

Alot of people who are begging for these to be R rated movies forget that all these characters come from comicbooks aimed at kids and teenagers , hell my love for Venom/Carnage and all the symbiotes come from the Fox kids animated spiderman show in the 90's that wasn't R Rated , you don't need blood , sex , violence etc to an r rated level if the story is good.

And I do believe Marvel should have all there properties back , look at DC they have all there stuff and haven't a clue what to do with it , I'm going to see this tomorrow because I'm a venom fan (and hardy) so I am hoping it's good but I'm not holding out much hope sadly

pixelburp · 02-10-2018 02:41PM

"R rated" doesn't automatically make for a better movie - in fact if I'm being honest depending how extreme the violence is, it may put me off - but I think where the problems can arise is the dreaded studio-mandated reshoot and / or mangling in the Editing Room. A good story, told well does'nt NEED sex & violence (obviously unless those are the ostensible subjects), and leaning on those as a crutch for your story just makes you Eli Roth. A Quiet Place was PG-13, yet was probably the most nerve-shredding, audience-gasping production I've seen in the cinema over the last 12 months. Good filmmakers know where to turn the screw.

It's not so much the downgrade of the rating that kills though, it's the origin and application of the decision; more often than not, they're done in a panicked rush, probably after test screenings, and can end up demolishing the tone, pacing and overall structure of the original movie. I love bringing it up but you have no better a recent example than Josh Trank's Fantastic Four reboot; while I'm not sure the original production was meant to be R-rated, Fox had conniptions over Trank's dark, Cronenberg style approach (the director being a colossal dick probably didn't help either) and effectively reshoot most of the movie into a barely structured mess - complete with a terrible blonde wig sported by Kate Mara advertising her own reshoots.

kerplun k · 02-10-2018 02:41PM

It’s nothing to do with the rating. The problem seems to be when the artistic and creative people start off doing one thing and the studio heads hack away at it and try modify it to make it more appealing to the masses. Hardy said it himself, his favourite 40m of the movie was cut. Why do you think it was cut?

Fysh · 02-10-2018 03:46PM

brianregan09 wrote: »

Alot of people who are begging for these to be R rated movies forget that all these characters come from comicbooks aimed at kids and teenagers , hell my love for Venom/Carnage and all the symbiotes come from the Fox kids animated spiderman show in the 90's that wasn't R Rated , you don't need blood , sex , violence etc to an r rated level if the story is good.

And I do believe Marvel should have all there properties back , look at DC they have all there stuff and haven't a clue what to do with it , I'm going to see this tomorrow because I'm a venom fan (and hardy) so I am hoping it's good but I'm not holding out much hope sadly

Horses for courses, personally I'd much prefer comic adaptations to come in a wide variety of styles, genres and subject matters rather than the for me tedious uniformity of the MCU. Just because other studios are making an actual mess of their film adaptations doesn't mean I'd prefer more identikit mediocrity. (Not giving out about others enjoying the MCU, the films just don't work for me so I would rather they not Borg even more of the cinema release slate than they've already got...)

Venom is one example of a character that can be used to tell a substantially different story than a lot of mainstream superhero films, hence my hope from both casting Tom Hardy and committing to an R rating that they had a distinct identity and idea for the film that would be different from what we usually see.

brianregan09 · 02-10-2018 07:26PM

Guaridians of The Galaxy : Space opera
Thor Ragnorock : Flash Gordon Type Comedy
Black Panther: Political Film with Racial undertones
Ant Man and the Wasp: Heist film/Rom Com
Captain America Civil War/Winter Soldier : Political Thrillers

To me alot of the MCU films are very different types and genres of films the only ones that are samey are the sequels of said films , The only uniformity is that they all are set in the same universe , To me anyway but as you said horses for courses ,

I could go on at how this should have never been made anyway as the Symbiote only exists because Spider Man brought it home from Battleworld in Secret Wars , but there's no point it's been made , as I said I hope it's good , I've just seen Fox and Sony with Fantastic Four balls up so many great properties I wince everytime a character I like gets a film under any of these studios

and yes the MCU films are not 100% comic accurate either but they are a damn sight close than anything FOX, Sony or Newline or any of the rest ever managed ,

Jimmy100 · 02-10-2018 08:06PM

ps3lover wrote: »

Isn’t this supposed to be a hard R rated horror film?

Well, yes. Hubby took our 9 year old to see the movie Paul when it came out. Watched the first Predator with same parent at 2. He turned out okay, except for his facial tick and night screaming.

Mr E · 03-10-2018 10:34AM

The regular review embargo was up this morning and it's as expected - 27% on RT, 33% on MC.

https://www.metacritic.com/movie/venom-2018
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/venom_2018

Basq · 03-10-2018 10:36AM

Jaysus.. pretty damn shocking!

To be honest, I was far from sold on the trailers, so that's just confirmed what I was thinking.

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