Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

freshpopcorn · 25-09-2018 03:29PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

I'm aware of a person who refused a council house based on the fact the house was in the same estate as the person who had seriously physically assualted them 5 years ago. So by your suggestion they should be named eventhough it's understandable if someone would be wary of living in close proximity to the person who assualted them.

They could of course be reasons why your name mighn't be put on the list but all this crap about needing a garden, being near mammy, etc all needs to be dealt with.

KrustyUCC · 25-09-2018 03:29PM

Could have the name in a seperate section

The following have refused an offer of a council home .....

The overall purpose would be to stop people refusing for spurious reasons and that all housing refusals should be gathered and published in a report

Wile E. Coyote · 25-09-2018 03:30PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

I'm aware of a person who refused a council house based on the fact the house was in the same estate as the person who had seriously physically assualted them 5 years ago. So by your suggestion they should be named eventhough it's understandable if someone would be wary of living in close proximity to the person who assualted them.

Had the person assaulted them since? Was there an ongoing threat of physical harm? Were the guards aware? Restraining order obtained? Or did they just not want to live close to them?

Hitman3000 · 25-09-2018 03:32PM

freshpopcorn wrote:

They could of course be reasons why your name mighn't be put on the list but all this crap about needing a garden, being near mammy, etc all needs to be dealt with.

So now you are suggesting a caveat to naming people. It would be dependent on reason . An improvement.

freshpopcorn · 25-09-2018 03:36PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

So now you are suggesting a caveat to naming people. It would be dependent on reason . An improvement.

It would still be a strict enough about how to avoid getting on the list.
When applying for housing you'd have to make the council aware of the issue and they'd have to see if it was a valid reason.

Hitman3000 · 25-09-2018 03:37PM

Wile E. Coyote wrote:

Had the person assaulted them since? Was there an ongoing threat of physical harm? Were the guards aware? Restraining order obtained? Or did they just not want to live close to them?

Well he did 18 months in prison so no he hasn't. She spent 3 weeks in hospital because of him. For the life of me I can't think why she didn't want to move in 4 doors away from him. I must ask her why not.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 25-09-2018 03:39PM

Well if he’s in social housing and he has a criminal record for serious assault/anti social behaviour then he should not be housed in a council house. So win win. She gets her house and his house is freed up for someone else

BBFAN · 25-09-2018 03:39PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I remember this story from many years ago which would still make my blood boil

Some people are so choosy they can reject houses that were worth up €400k

Applicants reject €400k houses as ‘unsuitable’

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/applicants-reject-400k-houses-as-unsuitable-48018.html

An 11 year old article dredged up just to keep this outrage going.

How bloody ridiculous is this getting?

BBFAN · 25-09-2018 03:41PM

Jada Putrid Starboard wrote: »

Well if he’s in social housing and he has a criminal record for serious assault/anti social behaviour then he should not be housed in a council house. So win win. She gets her house and his house is freed up for someone else

Where exactly do you think people with prison records live?

stuff.hunter · 25-09-2018 03:42PM

BBFAN wrote: »

Where exactly do you think people with prison records live?

where theyre belonged to, in prison

KrustyUCC · 25-09-2018 03:42PM

BBFAN wrote: »

An 11 year old article dredged up just to keep this outrage going.

How bloody ridiculous is this getting?

It sticks in my memory as I have relations living near there and paid full whack for their house

How about these .... bit more recent for you

'Sea-sickness' cited as one of many 'spurious' reasons for turning down council houses

A woman refused a three-storey council house overlooking Cork harbour because she and her children would get sea-sick peering out the window.

Another woman said she would not take a new house because of the dust which had accumulated after builders had finished.

Others refused offers of local authority housing as there was not room for a trampoline in the garden, or because a dog was barking next door, or there was no parking space outside.

Several successful applicants turned down homes in estates because they felt they were not safe for children, even though they were in relatively crime-free areas.

Council officials have confirmed that in two cases successful applicants rejected recent house offers citing that there was not enough room in the gardens for trampolines.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/sea-sickness-cited-as-one-of-many-spurious-reasons-for-turning-down-council-houses-393972.html

Hitman3000 · 25-09-2018 03:43PM

Jada Putrid Starboard wrote:

Well if heâ€™s in social housing and he has a criminal record for serious assault/anti social behaviour then he should not be housed in a council house. So win win. She gets her house and his house is freed up for someone else

Not the way a tenancy works. He has a family should they suffer for his behaviour even if the council kicked people out for having a criminal record? Which they don't as it happens.

Wile E. Coyote · 25-09-2018 03:44PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Well he did 18 months in prison so no he hasn't. She spent 3 weeks in hospital because of him. For the life of me I can't think why she didn't want to move in 4 doors away from him. I must ask her why not.

Well then obviously thats a very unique case and something that could be documented in advance and before the offer is made.

Question 1: Is there any area you cannot accept a house in? Give specific area and the reason ______________

It's not that hard! And if the incident occured after you've submitted your application then it's your responsibility to pick up the phone and keep the local authority updated.

25-09-2018 03:44PM

Jada Putrid Starboard wrote: »

If I was homeless I’d assume I’d take a house anywhere over sleeping on the street

Nail on the head. The so called homeless are NOT on the street. Only in the very low 100s are on the street, and they are mostly mentally distressed people.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 25-09-2018 03:45PM

BBFAN wrote: »

Where exactly do you think people with prison records live?

Somewhere they pay for themselves since they can’t behave in civilized society. Any anti social behavior or criminal records = no gravy train paid for by civilized society

freshpopcorn · 25-09-2018 03:48PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Well he did 18 months in prison so no he hasn't. She spent 3 weeks in hospital because of him. For the life of me I can't think why she didn't want to move in 4 doors away from him. I must ask her why not.

Serious question what would she do if he was housed near where she lived?
Would she request for him to be moved or would she leave her council house?
What would a person living in there own private house do apart from sell up?

I do feel sorry for the woman but sometimes things aren't fair in life. I'm not saying her reason isn't valid.

Hitman3000 · 25-09-2018 03:49PM

Wile E. Coyote wrote:

It's not that hard! And if the incident occured after you've submitted your application then it's your responsibility to pick up the phone and keep the local authority updated.

So you also wouldn't agree with a blanket publication of names of people who refused? or am I reading your reply wrong?.

Wile E. Coyote · 25-09-2018 03:52PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

So you also wouldn't agree with a blanket publication of names of people who refused? or am I reading your reply wrong?.

She wouldn't have her name published as she wouldn't have refused a house in the area because she wouldn't have been offered one. She'd have had a perfectly valid resaon in advance not to be housed in that area.

gmisk · 25-09-2018 03:55PM

I dont really think publishing names etc is helpful....why not just take them off the housing list if they refuse a house without a valid reason?

Hitman3000 · 25-09-2018 03:55PM

freshpopcorn wrote:

Serious question what would she do if he was housed near where she lived? Would she request for him to be moved or would she leave her council house? What would a person living in there own private house do apart from sell up?

freshpopcorn wrote:

I do feel sorry for the woman but sometimes things aren't fair in life. I'm not saying her reason isn't valid.

Do you seriously expect me to answer your hypothetical question with guesswork.
I already explained why she turned down the house in the estate he was living in. Why engage in 'what if 'nonsense?

Turnipman · 25-09-2018 03:58PM

BBFAN wrote: »

Where exactly do you think people with prison records live?

That largely depends on how successful their criminal careers have been. Quite a number of them appear to live in Spain.

Although some others merely aspire to live in the more salubrious areas of our major cities:

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/man-50-criminal-convictions-doesnt-11739699

freshpopcorn · 25-09-2018 04:00PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Do you seriously expect me to answer your hypothetical question with guesswork.
I already explained why she turned down the house in the estate he was living in. Why engage in 'what if 'nonsense?

I think what I'm trying to highlight is that sometimes people turn down council house or request to be rehoused for various reasons. Some more serious than others but they wouldn't be the same options for private buyers or owners.

Turnipman · 25-09-2018 04:03PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Well he did 18 months in prison so no he hasn't. She spent 3 weeks in hospital because of him. For the life of me I can't think why she didn't want to move in 4 doors away from him. I must ask her why not.

A textbook example of the use of a hard case to make a general argument.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_cases_make_bad_law

Wile E. Coyote · 25-09-2018 04:04PM

gmisk wrote: »

I dont really think publishing names etc is helpful....why not just take them off the housing list if they refuse a house without a valid reason?

Because then you'll still get people like Cash going to the papers with their sobstories claiming the Government, local councils, DSPCA, NASA etc. etc. are refusing to house them and their every growing litter of kids and only giving half the story. And the 'journalists' being lazy as they are will lap it up and not bother to do any backround checks.

BBFAN · 25-09-2018 04:06PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I think what I'm trying to highlight is that sometimes people turn down council house or request to be rehoused for various reasons. Some more serious than others but they wouldn't be the same options for private buyers or owners.

So you're trying to say a private buyer or renter can't ever move again?

gmisk · 25-09-2018 04:07PM

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

Because then you'll still get people like Cash going to the papers with their sobstories claiming the Government, local councils, DSPCA, NASA etc. etc. are refusing to house them and their every growing litter of kids and only giving half the story. And the 'journalists' being lazy as they are will lap it up and not bother to do any backround checks.

Well....pardon my french...but....f#ck em!
I honestly think the majority of people dont fall a lot of these sob stories.

freshpopcorn · 25-09-2018 04:10PM

BBFAN wrote: »

So you're trying to say a private buyer or renter can't ever move again?

Of course they can but if Susan was buying a house and she wanted to live near her mother and she couldn't afford to. Shed just have to accept that it wasn't an option to live there and would have to look else where.
If she was on a council housing list it appears to be a valid reason for somebody to live in their chosen area.

Dannyriver · 25-09-2018 04:18PM

Turnipman wrote: »

A textbook example of the use of a hard case to make a general argument.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_cases_make_bad_law

See post number 8183 for another one.

BBFAN · 25-09-2018 04:18PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Of course they can but if Susan was buying a house and she wanted to live near her mother and she couldn't afford to. Shed just have to accept that it wasn't an option to live there and would have to look else where.
If she was on a council housing list it appears to be a valid reason for somebody to live in their chosen area.

Of course it's not a valid reason but you know that well enough.

This old line of "living near your ma" is so tired now. I'm surprised you're not sick listening to yourself to be honest.

PlaneSpeeking · 25-09-2018 04:22PM

BBFAN wrote: »

Of course it's not a valid reason but you know that well enough.

This old line of "living near your ma" is so tired now. I'm surprised you're not sick listening to yourself to be honest.

Do you actually intend to ever debate, or just constantly pick holes in others' arguments ????

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