Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

25-09-2018 09:48AM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I am thoroughly ashamed I let my Republican principles and beliefs colour my vote and waste it on Sinn Fein for a decade.

You are forgiven. You were young and foolish.

Now get back to work. There are thousands out there depending on your taxes.

Johnnycanyon · 25-09-2018 09:48AM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Yes it is.

I would love to know where these "free houses" are.Do council tenants not pay rent?

PlaneSpeeking · 25-09-2018 09:49AM

Johnnycanyon wrote: »

I would love to know where these "free houses" are.Do council tenants not pay rent?

Not where arrears are enforced!

PlaneSpeeking · 25-09-2018 09:50AM

Deleted User wrote: »

You are forgiven. You were young and foolish.

Now get back to work. There are thousands out there depending on your taxes.

Ma'am, yes ma'am!!!!!

Hitman3000 · 25-09-2018 09:51AM

Wheeliebin30 wrote:

Is a right to housing essentially not a free house?????

No it's not. The UN convention on Human rights cites shelter as a human right. Nowhere does it say it must be free, as neither does this. I'm seriously wondering do you actually believe the crap you post or are you just a wind up merchant?

Thatnastyboy · 25-09-2018 09:54AM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

No it's not. The UN convention on Human rights cites shelter as a human right. Nowhere does it say it must be free, as neither does this. I'm seriously wondering do you actually believe the crap you post or are you just a wind up merchant?

Hotels count as shelter right?

BBFAN · 25-09-2018 10:02AM

Thatnastyboy wrote: »

Hotels count as shelter right?

They do yes, do you think that's the most cost efficient way of providing shelter?

PlaneSpeeking · 25-09-2018 10:04AM

Thatnastyboy wrote: »

Hotels count as shelter right?

Very much so!

Thatnastyboy · 25-09-2018 10:10AM

BBFAN wrote: »

They do yes, do you think that's the most cost efficient way of providing shelter?

I don't think its the most cost efficient, but probably the best way to deal with emergency cases, as, by nature, hotels are equipped to deal with daily arrivals, and provide more than adequate shelter, with private rooms & on site catering should it be required.

What do you think is the most cost efficient way of providing shelter?

BBFAN · 25-09-2018 10:12AM

Thatnastyboy wrote: »

I don't think its the most cost efficient, but probably the best way to deal with emergency cases, as, by nature, hotels are equipped to deal with daily arrivals, and provide more than adequate shelter, with private rooms & on site catering should it be required.

What do you think is the most cost efficient way of providing shelter?

Long term solutions obviously.

Wile E. Coyote · 25-09-2018 10:16AM

BBFAN wrote: »

Long term solutions obviously.

Brilliant answer... :rolleyes:. What are your long term solutions?

Thatnastyboy · 25-09-2018 10:18AM

BBFAN wrote: »

Long term solutions obviously.

Being?

AlekSmart · 25-09-2018 10:18AM

VinLieger wrote: »

Because Dublin money supports the vast majority of the country?

A somewhat parochial view of things perhaps ?

Currently,"Dublin Money" is supporting a far greater diaspora of homeless than mere Ireland provides.
Significant numbers of Homeless presenting in and around Dublin,are from far flung foreign parts.

Emme · 25-09-2018 10:21AM

Jada Putrid Starboard wrote: »

With all due respect Mgt Cash is the only one using her children as fair game, for photo ops and publicity. The way people are speaking about her children personally makes me uncomfortable but she is the one parading them around like show ponies for a free house

I don't know about that. The media are benefitting from her just as much as she is benefitting from them. I don't like the way people talk about her children or the way she is body shamed but her case exposes the flaws of the system. People who work hard and pay taxes are forced to accept any kind of house they can afford wherever they are while some people on social welfare expect a particular kind of house in a particular area.

BBFAN · 25-09-2018 10:24AM

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

Brilliant answer... :rolleyes:. What are your long term solutions?

It's not rocket science. Social housing needs to be built.

The reason for the current problem is that the decision was made 6 or 7 years ago to stop building social housing, the only thing that's going to solve the problem is for the housing to be built.

The irony is that all the ranters don't seem to realise if the government had never made a conscious decision to stop building social housing then the price of property and rent would not be where it's at presently.

BBFAN · 25-09-2018 10:26AM

Emme wrote: »

I don't know about that. The media are benefitting from her just as much as she is benefitting from them. I don't like the way people talk about her children or the way she is body shamed but her case exposes the flaws of the system. People who work hard and pay taxes are forced to accept any kind of house they can afford wherever they are while some people on social welfare expect a particular kind of house in a particular area.

Hang on though. The gas thing here is she's looking for a house in Tallaght, not Foxrock. Half the posters on here would turn their noses up at Tallaght.

Thatnastyboy · 25-09-2018 10:28AM

BBFAN wrote: »

It's not rocket science. Social housing needs to be built.

The reason for the current problem is that the decision was made 6 or 7 years ago to stop building social housing, the only thing that's going to solve the problem is for the housing to be built.

The irony is that all the ranters don't seem to realise if the government had never made a conscious decision to stop building social housing then the price of property and rent would not be where it's at presently.

You've mentioned this rocket science a few times lately, but still can't seem to explain it.

Social housing - built by who? Private or public investment? If its private it must be profitable or else there's no incentive to invest. (but that's bad right) If it's public, the investment must come from somewhere within the countrys coffers - where should this come from? (higher taxes? lower spending elswhere? come on - tell us)

Every residential development built in this state has an element of social housing attached to it, to say it doesnt shows a complete and utter lack of understanding of our planning system & all local development plans.

You are waffling just as much as the next man tbh, saying a lot but saying nothing.

A few times now you've managed to propose something while demonstrating a distinct lack of comprehension of how things get done.

Wheeliebin30 · 25-09-2018 10:29AM

BBFAN wrote: »

It's not rocket science. Social housing needs to be built.

The reason for the current problem is that the decision was made 6 or 7 years ago to stop building social housing, the only thing that's going to solve the problem is for the housing to be built.

The irony is that all the ranters don't seem to realise if the government had never made a conscious decision to stop building social housing then the price of property and rent would not be where it's at presently.

Social houses are been built.

Do you think the country had money 7 years ago to build social housing?

There wasn’t a pot to piss in and there was 100,000s of empty houses with no one needing them?

Lemonposset · 25-09-2018 10:30AM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/pregnant-and-homeless-we-want-a-place-where-we-won-t-get-set-on-fire-1.3640068?mode=amp

Article in todays Irish Times. Both homeless, living in a tent they were donated recently which was set on fire by a firework on monday night. She's recently discovered she's 3 months pregnant and he was abused as a child. This is genuinely a terrible existance.

Then it goes on that this is her 6th pregnancy, it doesn't say what happened to the other 5. It says they did have a house in Tallagh but it didn't work out and there was numerous complaints while they were there.

They had a house! I think housing is not the solution or at least not the only solution, these people need their whole lives sorted out for them and a house is just the tip of the iceberg, the visible part of the problem. They need financial advice, reproductive advice, addiction councelling, cognitive behavioual therapy, education and more. A house isn't going to solve any of the problems that made them homeless in the first place. There is no political will to grasp this expensive nettle so they will remain homeless and at the mercy and grace of volunteers. The end.

tretorn · 25-09-2018 10:39AM

Where are the other five children.

Really sick of the media giving us half the story.

How can you not know you are pregnant or three months especially if this is your sixth pregnancy.

These people are an utter drain on society.

Sweet.Science · 25-09-2018 10:43AM

Thatnastyboy wrote: »

You've mentioned this rocket science a few times lately, but still can't seem to explain it.

Social housing - built by who? Private or public investment? If its private it must be profitable or else there's no incentive to invest. (but that's bad right) If it's public, the investment must come from somewhere within the countrys coffers - where should this come from? (higher taxes? lower spending elswhere? come on - tell us)

Every residential development built in this state has an element of social housing attached to it, to say it doesnt shows a complete and utter lack of understanding of our planning system & all local development plans.

You are waffling just as much as the next man tbh, saying a lot but saying nothing.

A few times now you've managed to propose something while demonstrating a distinct lack of comprehension of how things get done.

Exactly . Pie in the sky stuff. Its just no possible to build social housing on the scale needed .

And in 5 years time we would have to do it again

Then again in other 5 years.

PlaneSpeeking · 25-09-2018 10:44AM

tretorn wrote: »

Where are the other five children.

Really sick of the media giving us half the story.

How can you not know you are pregnant or three months especially if this is your sixth pregnancy.

These people are an utter drain on society.

Apparently she says:

I go paralysed from the waist down from time to time.

Suuuuuuuure.

KrustyUCC · 25-09-2018 10:45AM

Very strangely worded article

Both 28 and together 10 years

I do wonder how many of those 5 other pregnancies resulted in children being born and where he was/is the father?

stratowide · 25-09-2018 10:50AM

BBFAN wrote: »

Hang on though. The gas thing here is she's looking for a house in Tallaght, not Foxrock.

I too was looking for a house once.Had to take out a mortgage to buy it though.
Wasn't my first choice location either..but hey that's life you know.
Provide pay slips,bank statements,credit union statements,mortgage protection insurance etc..They also want me to pay it back too with interest and all..Imagine.

Our hero has no such problems..Entitlement eh..!

AlekSmart · 25-09-2018 10:59AM

Lemonposset wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/pregnant-and-homeless-we-want-a-place-where-we-won-t-get-set-on-fire-1.3640068?mode=amp

Article in todays Irish Times. Both homeless, living in a tent they were donated recently which was set on fire by a firework on monday night. She's recently discovered she's 3 months pregnant and he was abused as a child. This is genuinely a terrible existance.

Then it goes on that this is her 6th pregnancy, it doesn't say what happened to the other 5. It says they did have a house in Tallagh but it didn't work out and there was numerous complaints while they were there.

They had a house! I think housing is not the solution or at least not the only solution, these people need their whole lives sorted out for them and a house is just the tip of the iceberg, the visible part of the problem. They need financial advice, reproductive advice, addiction councelling, cognitive behavioual therapy, education and more. A house isn't going to solve any of the problems that made them homeless in the first place. There is no political will to grasp this expensive nettle so they will remain homeless and at the mercy and grace of volunteers. The end.

A responsible,or giftededly amateur reporter/sub-editor mightb have taken the reference to a previous house and explored it further,if only to secure the footing of the newest article.

We see this repeatedly in the coverage of these many and varied (and in some cases insoluble) accounts.

gmisk · 25-09-2018 11:07AM

Lemonposset wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/pregnant-and-homeless-we-want-a-place-where-we-won-t-get-set-on-fire-1.3640068?mode=amp

Article in todays Irish Times. Both homeless, living in a tent they were donated recently which was set on fire by a firework on monday night. She's recently discovered she's 3 months pregnant and he was abused as a child. This is genuinely a terrible existance.

Then it goes on that this is her 6th pregnancy, it doesn't say what happened to the other 5. It says they did have a house in Tallagh but it didn't work out and there was numerous complaints while they were there.

They had a house! I think housing is not the solution or at least not the only solution, these people need their whole lives sorted out for them and a house is just the tip of the iceberg, the visible part of the problem. They need financial advice, reproductive advice, addiction councelling, cognitive behavioual therapy, education and more. A house isn't going to solve any of the problems that made them homeless in the first place. There is no political will to grasp this expensive nettle so they will remain homeless and at the mercy and grace of volunteers. The end.

RE house in tallaght

"But there were complaints, numbering in the hundreds, says Caroline, about drunkenness in the garden." “But it wasn’t us,” she says, adding that, in general terms, they had not been made welcome because they were “not from the area”.

Yeah......I believe them 100% some bad people just took over there garden and started drinking.....

I have sympathy if there are any children involved in this situation (6th child?!?! where are those kids? I am guessing they have been taken off them by reading that article?)...but how many houses and chances should people like this be given?

Wile E. Coyote · 25-09-2018 11:09AM

BBFAN wrote: »

It's not rocket science. Social housing needs to be built.

You're a genius. Why hasn't anyone else thought of this... How many would you like? 10,000, 50,000, 100,000? Would you like us to take money out of health care or god forbid, reduce our social welfare bill to fund it? Or maybe we should just borrow the money and increase the taxes of already overstretched workers in the country.

pjohnson · 25-09-2018 11:13AM

Just saw no Xmas bonus. Thought that would have led to the "Buh MY TAXES" crowd being less whingy.

Wile E. Coyote · 25-09-2018 11:18AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Just saw no Xmas bonus. Thought that would have led to the "Buh MY TAXES" crowd being less whingy.

You want a christmas bonus then work for it! You shouldn't get a bonus for doing sweet FA all year!

Alrigghtythen · 25-09-2018 11:24AM

Why does your man want a couples house? What about the 6 children?

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