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Holy water?

  • 18-09-2018 3:20pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭


    Is holy water homeopathic?

    If a priest tops up a half full/empty barrel of holy water, would its holiness be diluted and its efficacy reduced, so you'd need more for the spells?

    Or would the existing water "imbue" the new water with holiness?

    Does the pH, temperature and hardness affect holy waters property?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Is it clear of toxins?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Also, who is liable for any killing any cryptosporidium present?
    God or the supplier?

    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,019 ✭✭✭uch


    Only time I seen Holy water was going down the bath Plughole

    21/25



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    If you drink it, your wee becomes magic.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Is holy water homeopathic?

    Of course not. Homeopathy is a medical science with a long proven track record of improving health and curing illness. It is a taught and regulated profession, requiring in depth study to be able to practice it, by such bodies as The Homeopathy Research Institute, The Irish School of Homeopathy, and the British Institute of Homeopathy.
    Holy Water - is just make believe for the superstitious, the simple minded, and the desperate.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    If a priest tops up a half full/empty barrel of holy water, would its holiness be diluted and its efficacy reduced, so you'd need more for the spells?

    I think if they top it up they bless it again don't they? Thereby making sure that the water that was already there is blessed twice (at least) increasing the strength and potency....so it's definitely not homepathic


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Of course not. Homeopathy is a medical science with a long proven track record of improving health and curing illness. It is a taught and regulated profession, requiring in depth study to be able to practice it, by such bodies as The Homeopathy Research Institute, The Irish School of Homeopathy, and the British Institute of Homeopathy.
    Holy Water - is just make believe for the superstitious, the simple minded, and the desperate.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,270 ✭✭✭twowheelsonly


    Of course not. Homeopathy is a medical science with a long proven track record of improving health and curing illness. It is a taught and regulated profession, requiring in depth study to be able to practice it, by such bodies as The Homeopathy Research Institute, The Irish School of Homeopathy, and the British Institute of Homeopathy.
    Holy Water - is just make believe for the superstitious, the simple minded, and the desperate.

    To paraphrase you, many, including the NHS, would have you believe that Homeopathy is just make believe for the superstitious, the simple minded, and the desperate. Pot, kettle, black and all that...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭henryporter


    Do they still have Holy water on tap in Knock?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,676 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Of course not. Homeopathy is a medical science with a long proven track record of improving health and curing illness. It is a taught and regulated profession, requiring in depth study to be able to practice it, by such bodies as The Homeopathy Research Institute, The Irish School of Homeopathy, and the British Institute of Homeopathy.
    Holy Water - is just make believe for the superstitious, the simple minded, and the desperate.

    I don't know if you're joking here, but homeopathy is very far from medical science


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,413 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Do they still have Holy water on tap in Knock?

    Yes , but at the moment the hosepipe ban is still in effect so if you want to water a plant , you need to get a bucket.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,479 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Do they still have Holy water on tap in Knock?


    How does that work?

    Did they bless the well?
















    Well bless you.


  • Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A goblet of holy water will cure you, so sayeth that Indiana Jones documentary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,479 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Could a priest bathe in holy water then?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    A goblet of holy water will cure you, so sayeth that Indiana Jones documentary.

    That wasn't a goblet of holy water.

    That was a holy goblet of water


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    Is holy water homeopathic?

    If a priest tops up a half full/empty barrel of holy water, would its holiness be diluted and its efficacy reduced, so you'd need more for the spells?

    Or would the existing water "imbue" the new water with holiness?

    Does the pH, temperature and hardness affect holy waters property?
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,479 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


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    Top tip.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    kneemos wrote: »
    Top tip.

    Bless you my child.;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Do they still have Holy water on tap in Knock?

    I think the priests blessed the aquifer.
    All recharge and abstracted water thus of sufficient holiness


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,124 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Drink your piss and see if you have any spells cast upon you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,377 ✭✭✭✭Purple Mountain


    I also have a gripe when the priest invites anybody who is coeliac to sip from the wine chalice instead of eating the bread.
    Yes..but isn't the host now gluten free as it's the flesh of Christ?
    Transubstantiation yaddi yadda.
    See, I did listen in religion class.

    To thine own self be true



  • Registered Users Posts: 975 ✭✭✭decky1


    my father always said 'holy water will not boil' don't know why he thought this.?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,366 ✭✭✭Star Bingo


    It’ll ward off your demons


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Atoms for Peace


    A goblet of holy water will cure you, so sayeth that Indiana Jones documentary.

    But picking the wrong one could lead to serious dehydration.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 344 ✭✭cumulonimbus


    With all the people dipping their hands in the font, it must be full of germs. Would those germs be holy also?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,179 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    I also have a gripe when the priest invites anybody who is coeliac to sip from the wine chalice instead of eating the bread.
    Yes..but isn't the host now gluten free as it's the flesh of Christ?
    Transubstantiation yaddi yadda.
    See, I did listen in religion class.

    But you mitched part 2 where they explained about how it keeps all the properties it had before.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Badly Drunk Boy


    I also have a gripe when the priest invites anybody who is coeliac to sip from the wine chalice instead of eating the bread.
    Yes..but isn't the host now gluten free as it's the flesh of Christ?
    Transubstantiation yaddi yadda.
    See, I did listen in religion class.
    But you mitched part 2 where they explained about how it keeps all the properties it had before.

    So if you believe in transubstantiation, coelics can take communion but vegetarians/vegans can't. Right.
    With all the people dipping their hands in the font, it must be full of germs. Would those germs be holy also?
    The germs combine with the holy water to create super-immunity elixir. I thought everybody knew that!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,573 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    But you mitched part 2 where they explained about how it keeps all the properties it had before.


    Exactly. As with all things catholic intelligent and highly educated people (mostly men to be fair) have pondered over every aspect.



    https://www.catholic.com/qa/celiac-disease-and-transubstantiation


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    Exactly. As with all things catholic intelligent and highly educated people (mostly men to be fair) have pondered over every aspect.
    https://www.catholic.com/qa/celiac-disease-and-transubstantiation
    But in the change the accidental properties remain. This means that everything that pertains to the senses remains: what it looks like, what it tastes like, the spatial location it occupies, and the effects it has on the body. As such, transubstantiation doesn’t negate the fact that those with celiac disease can still be affected negatively when partaking of the host

    That's mad!! And here was me thinking that transubstantiation was just a load of bollocks :o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Exactly. As with all things catholic intelligent and highly educated people (mostly men to be fair) have pondered over every aspect.

    https://www.catholic.com/qa/celiac-disease-and-transubstantiation

    "You can call me Doctor Father Tom, I've a doctorate in theology...several papers published on how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, and such pressing matters..."


    So who peer reviews the experts in theology, other theologians...


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,856 ✭✭✭irishguitarlad




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,926 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    decky1 wrote: »
    my father always said 'holy water will not boil' don't know why he thought this.?

    If a watched kettle never boils maybe he should walked out of the kitchen for a minute.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,573 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    "You can call me Doctor Father Tom, I've a doctorate in theology...several papers published on how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, and such pressing matters..."


    So who peer reviews the experts in theology, other theologians...


    well of course. they will be the authors peers.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Oh ffs. Take the religion bashing elsewhere eh ? Boring now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,321 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    decky1 wrote: »
    my father always said 'holy water will not boil' don't know why he thought this.?

    Did you ever tell your dad he's a fool?

    Make a bet with him and take the easy money!


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,349 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    wexie wrote: »
    That's mad!! And here was me thinking that transubstantiation was just a load of bollocks :o

    It might be. I have never personally heard it specified which part of this guys body it is meant to be turning into.
    Oh ffs. Take the religion bashing elsewhere eh ? Boring now.

    That, or we could investigate why most people seem to have the ability to open the threads that interest them, and skip over the ones that do not...... while a small vocal minority do not.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    It might be. I have never personally heard it specified which part of this guys body it is meant to be turning into. .

    Gotta be toenails no?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    If a watched kettle never boils maybe he should walked out of the kitchen for a minute.

    I watched my kettle boil earlier this morning so that saying has been well and truly debunked.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    I watched my kettle boil earlier this morning so that saying has been well and truly debunked.

    was there holy water in it though?

    (and if so.....why?)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    I was a christening before (or was it a wedding I can't remember) it was in Mount Argus though and they have kegs of holy water stacked up beside the jacks. Kegs!


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,349 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    wexie wrote: »
    Gotta be toenails no?

    The consistency of the last one I ate would certainly suggest this as a possibility.

    Actually I have eaten testicles. Not Human ones. And the texture is certainly comparable to the magic crackers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    Yawn on the RCC bashing but I'm still intrigued by this. How do you measure the success rate of holy water? If you have gastroenteritis, for example and your symptoms subside a few days after you use it, has the water cured you or has your body remedied the situation naturally? What makes it holy in the first place?
    So who peer reviews the experts in theology, other theologians...

    Peer reviews are performed in the same manner as pretty much every other academic field out there, I'd imagine. They've put the work into gaining expert level knowledge in their field, so I don't see the issue with it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,349 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    Berserker wrote: »
    Yawn on the RCC bashing but I'm still intrigued by this. How do you measure the success rate of holy water? If you have gastroenteritis, for example and your symptoms subside a few days after you use it, has the water cured you or has your body remedied the situation naturally?

    Yea "return to the mean" is an issue for us in epidemiology. When trying to measure the efficacy of a treatment or drug we have to do our best to take into account that a certain % of people will get better anyway, nothing to do with the drug.

    And it is often not easy, and sometimes not even possible, to account for that. However with things like Holy Water and visits to "Knock" and the like there are other ways to do it. One can look at "cures" these things offer and compare it to the % of people you would expect to get better naturally.

    And some things fare worse. For example the cure rate claimed at Lourdes for cancer appears to be markedly less than spontaneous remission. Meaning you have a better chance of dying because of Lourdes than being cured because of it.

    In the University of Vienna they found >85% of holy water held bacteria consistent with fecal matter and that holy water from Lourdes specifically had caused hospital patients to receive infections.

    Visits to there to get your holy water will certainly cure you of your money however. Interestingly in 2008 the pope offered plenary indulgence to anyone who visited Lourdes. Coincidentally, but unconnected I am sure, close to the time when Vatican Airlines was launched to get you there.

    Whatever else you could bash the church with, you have to admire their business model.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    I think the priests blessed the aquifer.
    All recharge and abstracted water thus of sufficient holiness

    But wouldn't the extra suspended particles make the holy water denser and thus it would never make it to the surface due to gravity? unless maybe there was a spring placed at the bottom of a slope.

    God, being Creator, made all the water on Day 1. So how could he make something without blessing it? This might entail that He made something imperfect, which cannot be the case with Him being perfect.
    So work away folks - it is all holy. Sprinkle it on any orange parade that may pass your way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    topper75 wrote: »
    But wouldn't the extra suspended particles

    Which particles? the holiness particles?

    I bet the guys at CERN are working really hard to isolate them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,349 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    wexie wrote: »
    I bet the guys at CERN are working really hard to isolate them.

    I have always loved the story, though I have not yet checked if it is true, that the "God Particle" the media went a little nutty over for awhile was actually a contraction.

    In fact the Scientists who coined the name actually had called it the "Goddamn particle" due to the difficulty involved in finding it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Of course not. Homeopathy is a medical science with a long proven track record of improving health and curing illness. It is a taught and regulated profession, requiring in depth study to be able to practice it, by such bodies as The Homeopathy Research Institute, The Irish School of Homeopathy, and the British Institute of Homeopathy.
    Holy Water - is just make believe for the superstitious, the simple minded, and the desperate.

    I wonder if the Catholic could create such institutes to verify the integrity of holy water and bring it up to the standards of Homeopathy?

    They could create a labelling system which could include its holiness factor among other things. A graduated scale from 1 to 10 would allow people to make informed decisions when purchasing their holy water. For example, factor 1 would be good enough to prevent sunburn at night, factor 5 would relieve the pain of ginger hair while factor 10 would cure amputations.

    This way consumers could make informed decisions and avoid the embarrassment of tossing factor 2 holy water on their knob in a sad attempt to get it up because they'd know that you need factor 4 holy water for that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    You'd have to have some certification process, maybe even an ISO standard.

    And there'll be rip offs, a knock off offering level 5 efficacy for half the price of an ISO certified level 5, probably only tap water instead of the real thing.


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