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Caravan blows off cliff in Galway - Woman dead

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    RIP.

    Had a look at the caravan park on Google maps, the caravans are literally parked on the side of the cliff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    RIP, what a terrible way to go


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    biko wrote: »
    RIP, what a terrible way to go
    true, although to be fair, parking a caravan on a peninsula protruding into the atlantic near the edge of a cliff during a fairly brisk storm, is not a terribly smart thing to do.

    Galway bay FM added in their report "It’s believed the woman was in her 50’s and was not from Ireland" - so in her defence, at an eco campsite with not even a toilet provided let alone electricity, she may not have known the storm was coming.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,865 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    What terrible and tragic news


    RIP

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    RIP.

    Had a look at the caravan park on Google maps, the caravans are literally parked on the side of the cliff.

    how did they not have problems before?

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    silverharp wrote: »
    how did they not have problems before?
    maybe nobody parked by the cliff in a storm before ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭Pelvis


    true, although to be fair, parking a caravan on a peninsula protruding into the atlantic near the edge of a cliff during a fairly brisk storm, is not a terribly smart thing to do.

    Galway bay FM added in their report "It’s believed the woman was in her 50’s and was not from Ireland" - so in her defence, at an eco campsite with not even a toilet provided let alone electricity, she may not have known the storm was coming.
    Wonderful, she may not have known of the storm, but lets post anyway blaming her for being an idiot.

    Great contribution.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    In less than a year we've had nearly every form of extreme weather possible, hurricanes, 8ft snow drifts, drought.

    I think we may get used to it, climate change and all that jazz.

    Rip to the woman.


  • Site Banned Posts: 272 ✭✭Loves_lorries


    Pelvis wrote: »
    Wonderful, she may not have known of the storm, but lets post anyway blaming her for being an idiot.

    Great contribution.

    Some people never listen to news or weather reports, likely she had no idea what was coming.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    maybe nobody parked by the cliff in a storm before ?

    true I guess most storms are later in the year when the tourists are gone

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB


    true, although to be fair, parking a caravan on a peninsula protruding into the atlantic near the edge of a cliff during a fairly brisk storm, is not a terribly smart thing to do.

    Galway bay FM added in their report "It’s believed the woman was in her 50’s and was not from Ireland" - so in her defence, at an eco campsite with not even a toilet provided let alone electricity, she may not have known the storm was coming.

    If you are parking your caravan on the edge of a cliff, beside the Atlantic Ocean, sooner or later you'll be affected by a bad storm. It's up to you to keep yourself appraised of weather condtions that may affect you, if you decide to live a lifestyle where you are cut off from the usual forms of news.

    Read a newspaper. Talk to your neighbours. Get a battery powered radio in case of emergencies. Walk to the nearest town for weather updates. Get an internet dongle. Let someone charge your phone in their car. God love the poor woman and her family, but c'mon now, it's not rocket science.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    all that is appropriate here is,, requiescat in pace.

    I know the folk of that village well and they will be heartsore

    Not a time for comment


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,229 ✭✭✭Sam Quentin


    I can only imagine the horror she must have went through. What a terrible way to go.
    R.i.P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭Summer wind


    I’ve been in a big caravan during a storm. The wind actually picked it up off the cement blocks it was standing on and dropped it back down again with a huge bang. May the poor woman Rest In Peace.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    In less than a year we've had nearly every form of extreme weather possible, hurricanes, 8ft snow drifts, drought.

    I think we may get used to it, climate change and all that jazz.

    Rip to the woman.

    I don't know of any period where there was none of the above. Why are we treating weather phenomenon like they are all new and come on the back of some of prolonged stable climate period? There was never such.
    Extreme weather has always been around the corner in these latitudes. The Annals of the Four Masters and other such texts are riddled with references to heavy rains and storms. If we are not used to it by now I just don't know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    In Galway before noon.

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    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,777 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    RIP.

    Had a look at the caravan park on Google maps, the caravans are literally parked on the side of the cliff.

    A caravan park on a cliff edge, that’s crazy.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    ProudDUB wrote: »
    If you are parking your caravan on the edge of a cliff, beside the Atlantic Ocean, sooner or later you'll be affected by a bad storm. It's up to you to keep yourself appraised of weather condtions that may affect you, if you decide to live a lifestyle where you are cut off from the usual forms of news.

    Read a newspaper. Talk to your neighbours. Get a battery powered radio in case of emergencies. Walk to the nearest town for weather updates. Get an internet dongle. Let someone charge your phone in their car. God love the poor woman and her family, but c'mon now, it's not rocket science.
    Swiss tourist newly arrived to the area (that day according to the Mail) so none of that is fair


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    topper75 wrote: »
    I don't know of any period where there was none of the above. Why are we treating weather phenomenon like they are all new and come on the back of some of prolonged stable climate period? There was never such.
    Extreme weather has always been around the corner in these latitudes. The Annals of the Four Masters and other such texts are riddled with references to heavy rains and storms. If we are not used to it by now I just don't know.
    More frequent though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    topper75 wrote: »
    I don't know of any period where there was none of the above. Why are we treating weather phenomenon like they are all new and come on the back of some of prolonged stable climate period? There was never such.
    Extreme weather has always been around the corner in these latitudes. The Annals of the Four Masters and other such texts are riddled with references to heavy rains and storms. If we are not used to it by now I just don't know.

    In Ireland we've had loads of periods that didn't see such extreme weather conditions following each other.


    No one said they never happened, just that they're far from the norm.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,591 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    silverharp wrote: »
    true I guess most storms are later in the year when the tourists are gone

    The lady was on holidays.

    I'm just back from holidays myself. Was in Spain last week, and I did not follow any news there at all and there was some extreme weather around.

    The woman was just terribly unlucky and there is no need for people trying to blame her for her passing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 789 ✭✭✭Turnipman


    murpho999 wrote: »
    The lady was on holidays.

    I'm just back from holidays myself. Was in Spain last week, and I did not follow any news there at all and there was some extreme weather around.

    The woman was just terribly unlucky and there is no need for people trying to blame her for her passing.

    Surely whoever runs the campsite should have warned her?

    (From the RTE report that she died on Acton's Strand, I assume that it's this place:

    https://www.connemara.net/actons-beachside-ecological-caravan-and-camping-park/ )


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭Sundew


    I got caught out walking in a freak thunderstorm in Greece once...I certainly didn’t spend my holidays looking at weather updates! This was pre-smart phone so it is a little easier to check nowadays!
    Some of the comments about this tragedy are way outta line!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,591 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Turnipman wrote: »
    Surely whoever runs the campsite should have warned her?

    (From the RTE report that she died on Acton's Strand, I assume that it's this place:

    https://www.connemara.net/actons-beachside-ecological-caravan-and-camping-park/ )

    Do you think every business everywhere is going to react to weather warnings?

    Most people don't take them seriously.


  • Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Do you think every business everywhere is going to react to weather warnings?

    Most people don't take them seriously.


    If you run a cliff-side caravan park and ignore both the Storm Helene and Ali warnings on the news and not inform your guests then you really should not be in business.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,591 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Neyite wrote: »
    If you run a cliff-side caravan park and ignore both the Storm Helene and Ali warnings on the news and not inform your guests then you really should not be in business.

    Disagree. People should take personal responsibility.

    They are not to know that this could happen.

    I wouldn't expect a caravan park to check for weather warnings every day and inform me of it.

    Also, how do you know that she wasn't warned and ignored it?

    It blew down a ravine so it's a freak thing. Why blame people all the time, it's just an unfortunate accident.


  • Registered Users Posts: 81 ✭✭westcork67


    I've stayed at this campsite and it seemed to be very well organised - for once, can people just accept an accident for what it is! This country has gone mad always looking for someone to blame - a litigous society driven by the greedy legal profession - accidents happen in storms (and this felt much worse down here in Galway than Ophelia) - this sense of entitlement and "what happens to me is always somebody elses fault" is a cancer in Irish society


  • Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭winksblinks


    I've camped at Actons a few times over the last few years. The owners are fantastic and always made a point to directly inform people of bad weather coming in. In one instance, ahead of a bad summer storm coming in, Chris was going around advising people who had pitched in unsheltered areas to move down.

    Not everyone listens and sometimes with all the warnings and precautions in the world, accidents happen. The lady in question may not have been pitched "right at the cliff edge" - strong gusts could have moved the caravan a fair distance.

    RIP to the lady involved, horrible, horrible accident.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 789 ✭✭✭Turnipman


    murpho999 wrote: »

    I wouldn't expect a caravan park to check for weather warnings every day and inform me of it.

    I would.

    I'd regard it as a basic duty of care for people camping or renting caravans on my site.

    Addendum: Good to see from the previous post that Chris (the owner) normally does it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 789 ✭✭✭Turnipman


    westcork67 wrote: »
    I've stayed at this campsite and it seemed to be very well organised - for once, can people just accept an accident for what it is! This country has gone mad always looking for someone to blame - a litigous society driven by the greedy legal profession - accidents happen in storms (and this felt much worse down here in Galway than Ophelia) - this sense of entitlement and "what happens to me is always somebody elses fault" is a cancer in Irish society

    It's not about litigation, although it may well end up in an insurance claim - it's about the duty of care by the owners to the people paying to use the campsite.

    I too enjoy ranting about the compo culture (which drives me crazy) and blah blah blah, but in this case, there must be a requirement for a campsite owner to do his best to ensure that his patrons are safe - and for me, that would include warning them about an Orange Status storm warning (which, of course, may very well have happened in this case, we just don't know).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    I'd absolutely consider it part of the site owner's/manager's duty of care to inform guests about weather warnings. Though we don't know what happened. They may have warned her. She may have been away until late last night and not been contactable. They may have put up notices she didn't see. Lots of reasons that were no ones fault.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    What a horrible and scary way for your life to end. Poor lady, RIP


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    westcork67 wrote:
    I've stayed at this campsite and it seemed to be very well organised - for once, can people just accept an accident for what it is! This country has gone mad always looking for someone to blame - a litigous society driven by the greedy legal profession - accidents happen in storms (and this felt much worse down here in Galway than Ophelia) - this sense of entitlement and "what happens to me is always somebody elses fault" is a cancer in Irish society

    The lady is not Irish and is not from Ireland. Have a rant about Irish society when appropriate this however is not the thread to do so.
    RIP to the lady in question.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    The lady is not Irish and is not from Ireland. Have a rant about Irish society when appropriate this however is not the thread to do so.
    RIP to the lady in question.
    Bizarre interpretation. They are not saying anything about that poor lady. They are commenting on the rush to blame. Sometimes nobody is to blame when there is an accident.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Bizarre interpretation. They are not saying anything about that poor lady. They are commenting on the rush to blame. Sometimes nobody is to blame when there is an accident.

    What's bizarre?an attack on Irish society on a thread about the sad accidental death of a Swiss national.
    Blame can be attributed if appropriate after an investigation. Still not the place for a rant tbh


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Swiss tourist newly arrived to the area (that day according to the Mail) so none of that is fair

    I dunno. I always check the weather forecasts of places I’m travelling to. Fairly commonplace, I would have thought? And as soon as the wind picked up, I’d be out of there. Unless it happened as soon as the wind picked up.

    I was in Greece during massive flooding a few years ago and knew it was going to happen days before.

    As someone said, the campground also had a duty to warn her.


  • Site Banned Posts: 272 ✭✭Loves_lorries


    Swiss tourist newly arrived to the area (that day according to the Mail) so none of that is fair

    Coming from somewhere like Switzerland, would be a real shock just how windy Ireland is.


  • Site Banned Posts: 272 ✭✭Loves_lorries


    murpho999 wrote: »
    The lady was on holidays.

    I'm just back from holidays myself. Was in Spain last week, and I did not follow any news there at all and there was some extreme weather around.

    The woman was just terribly unlucky and there is no need for people trying to blame her for her passing.

    Was in majorca this time last year, knew what weather was due before we flew out and while we were there as this information scheduled our week, I'm a weather nut though.

    Could tell you what a particular autumn was like four years ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    In Ireland we've had loads of periods that didn't see such extreme weather conditions following each other.


    No one said they never happened, just that they're far from the norm.

    Storms in autumn are far from the norm?

    There were always such in my childhood anyway (which was neither yesterday nor the day before I might add). That event the took the poor woman's life was only a storm it is worth noting. We can even get hurricanes here. Are you old enough to remember hurricane Charlie? All these thing happen all the time. I remember heavy snows and roasting summers....all long long before any climate change chicken licken talk was bandied about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,945 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Was it her caravan or a static caravan on site ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    topper75 wrote: »
    Storms in autumn are far from the norm?

    There were always such in my childhood anyway (which was neither yesterday nor the day before I might add). That event the took the poor woman's life was only a storm it is worth noting. We can even get hurricanes here. Are you old enough to remember hurricane Charlie? All these thing happen all the time. I remember heavy snows and roasting summers....all long long before any climate change chicken licken talk was bandied about.

    Are you taking the proverbial or just pretending to not understand.

    Storms in autumn are normal enough to Ireland.

    What's not that normal though (in ireland) and wouldn't be considered the norm is, in less than a full calender year, being sent home from work, and advised by the government to not travel unless absolutely necessary due to a hurricane, then a few months later be literally snowed in (where I live anyway) due to 8ft snow drifts, where we were subjected to almost 72 hrs of constant snow, for a full week solid, then a few min5hs after that some of the highest temperatures and a prolonged period with no rain.

    I didn't expect to have to clarify that post any further, but there you go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,772 ✭✭✭✭Whispered


    Have been here. It's a well run site it seemed. Organised and very beautiful.

    RIP to the poor woman.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Discodog wrote:
    Was it her caravan or a static caravan on site ?


    Photos up on the RTE news site, looks like it was a static caravan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,543 ✭✭✭✭BPKS


    Neyite wrote: »
    If you run a cliff-side caravan park and ignore both the Storm Helene and Ali warnings on the news and not inform your guests then you really should not be in business.

    I wouldnt call that a cliff.

    Looks like sand dunes from google maps.

    Like dozens of caravan and camping sites I have been to in Kerry and Cork.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 482 ✭✭badtoro


    Probably should wait to find out what happened first before pronouncing judgement on anyone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,827 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    Rip to the poor woman.a nasty way to end your days.god love her


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    Are you taking the proverbial or just pretending to not understand.

    Storms in autumn are normal enough to Ireland.

    What's not that normal though (in ireland) and wouldn't be considered the norm is, in less than a full calender year, being sent home from work, and advised by the government to not travel unless absolutely necessary due to a hurricane, then a few months later be literally snowed in (where I live anyway) due to 8ft snow drifts, where we were subjected to almost 72 hrs of constant snow, for a full week solid, then a few min5hs after that some of the highest temperatures and a prolonged period with no rain.

    I didn't expect to have to clarify that post any further, but there you go.

    All of the above happened before. Nobody was travelling through hurricane Charlie. The govt didn't do nannying then so we just resorted to common sense, poor divils. I have the photos of the 1980s snow. Maybe you weren't physically around but the records are there. We had similar high temps in 89, 95 and 2006. The 80s summers had incredible rainfall. Roads around our way were often blocked with floods. Absolutely none of this is new other than the 'climate change' mantra in our media, driven by agendists and careerists on the make.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,657 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Photos up on the RTE news site, looks like it was a static caravan.

    Quite sure it was a touring caravan.
    Poor woman, and an awful event for a nice campsite.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    _Brian wrote: »
    Quite sure it was a touring caravan.
    Poor woman, and an awful event for a nice campsite.

    It wasn't a touring van. . Been reading local reports. She hired the caravan and the bike. the owner ,Kris , is passionate re the eco integrity of his site. he allocates the pitches strictly. Read the tripadvisor and Galway reports. She would have had to set up where she was told.

    And had to have an advance booking.

    The site is closed now and there will be a full investigation.

    Owners deeply upset.

    The lady would not have realised the implications of the storm. Maybe had there been a red warning?

    an appalling event.


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