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Improving Football

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,009 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    13 a side is the way to go. The field is too congested.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,074 ✭✭✭Xenophile


    No hand passes inside the 20 meter line. Hand scores to stand.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Xenophile wrote: »
    No hand passes inside the 20 meter line. Hand scores to stand.

    Inside which 20 meter line?

    If inside opposition 20 then it just encourages defence to smother the attackers, which most of them try to do anyway. No matter how far you go back you won't see too many kick passes close to goal. Shots yes, but hand/punch pass was always the optimal choice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,074 ✭✭✭Xenophile


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Inside which 20 meter line?

    If inside opposition 20 then it just encourages defence to smother the attackers, which most of them try to do anyway. No matter how far you go back you won't see too many kick passes close to goal. Shots yes, but hand/punch pass was always the optimal choice.

    Both 20 meter lines.

    Drop the ball and kick it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 540 ✭✭✭OttoPilot


    Why not simply ban the handpass?

    Other changes I'd make are removing the pickup, enforcing tackling the ball strictly and increasing the value of a goal to four points.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    OttoPilot wrote: »
    Why not simply ban the handpass?

    Other changes I'd make are removing the pickup, enforcing tackling the ball strictly and increasing the value of a goal to four points.

    Because we aren't looking to make defensive systems more effective


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,697 ✭✭✭elefant


    13 a side teams for inter-county level could be something interesting to try in the league. I don't think changes are vital at club level where the athleticism levels aren't as freakishly high, so there's no need to reduce numbers there and make it more difficult for guys to get into local teams.

    Regarding the mark, I wonder how it would pan out if an offensive mark could only be taken from kicks from play outside the 45 that are caught inside the 20? It would probably only come into play a couple of times a game at most, but might lead to a little bit more long kicking, especially when combined with the fewer playing numbers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 540 ✭✭✭OttoPilot


    naughtb4 wrote: »
    Because we aren't looking to make defensive systems more effective

    Handpassing makes defensive systems more effective. It's the less risky option of moving the ball. If a team puts 15 men behind the ball, it's very difficult to kick pass out because they're all bunched together.

    Besides, I don't think a score consisting of 14 handpasses and one poor kick pass is a good one anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    1.) handpass the ball forward only not backwards.

    2) 3 handpass in line of play before the ball must be kicked.

    3) run 4 steps followed by 1 hop 1 solo and get rid of ball.

    4) full siren when time is up like Aussie rules. clock should stop when there is a stoppage like an injury. no additional time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,459 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    Amprodude wrote: »
    1.) handpass the ball forward only not backwards.

    2) 3 handpass in line of play before the ball must be kicked.

    3) run 4 steps followed by 1 hop 1 solo and get rid of ball.

    4) full siren when time is up like Aussie rules. clock should stop when there is a stoppage like an injury. no additional time.

    Rule 3 would be terrible for the game.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,074 ✭✭✭Xenophile


    Amprodude wrote: »
    1.) handpass the ball forward only not backwards.

    2) 3 handpass in line of play before the ball must be kicked.

    3) run 4 steps followed by 1 hop 1 solo and get rid of ball.

    4) full siren when time is up like Aussie rules. clock should stop when there is a stoppage like an injury. no additional time.


    Thank you for your contribution.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    A bonus point in the super 8s If You score over a certain amount of points or 2 or more goals


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,611 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    A bonus point in the super 8s If You score over a certain amount of points or 2 or more goals

    Squash the ball into an egg and only let them pass it backwards too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    long distance point should be 2 points. Bring the art of kicking a football back into the game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,074 ✭✭✭Xenophile


    Amprodude wrote: »
    long distance point should be 2 points. Bring the art of kicking a football back into the game.

    A good suggestion. For kicks taken outside the 45 meter line.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭LoveMeSexy


    I can only presume some of these suggested rule changes are deliberately horrendous. Have some of you played football before or what's the craic?

    Anyway my suggestion are

    1) Double points for every kick pass before a score after 7+ kick passes. If within that play there was 4 or more 20 metre kick passes then the subsequent score will be worth a minimum of 5 points plus an extra substitute is awarded.

    2) Each team should have 2 designated handpassers, only they may handpass the ball.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    LoveMeSexy wrote: »
    I can only presume some of these suggested rule changes are deliberately horrendous. Have some of you played football before or what's the craic?

    Anyway my suggestion are

    1) Double points for every kick pass before a score after 7+ kick passes. If within that play there was 4 or more 20 metre kick passes then the subsequent score will be worth a minimum of 5 points plus an extra substitute is awarded.

    2) Each team should have 2 designated handpassers, only they may handpass the ball.

    1. tell me with point no.1 how would you or anyone keep track of all the kick passes in the modern game?

    2. how would point no.2 help the game? what happens if designated players get injured,substituted or sent off?

    theory at its finest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭Slipperydodger


    First of all, we have to get rid of the needless handbags/scumbag tactics involved in Gaelic Football, particularly up North. More of it tonight as seen in the video below.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDO7vyKJw0w&feature=youtu.be


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,742 ✭✭✭CloughCasey1


    Christ on a feckin bike. There is a power of armchair footballers on here.

    1. On of the best goals ever scored was 1990 meath v dublin Derry Foley if im not mistaken from all of 3yards. Meath tore dublin to shreds with fast movement, quick hands. ACCURATE AND FAST HANDPASSING IS A SKILL!!!

    2. One of the best points in football was scored by Sean Og when Mike Donnellan won possession inside id own 45 and worked it forward at speed until there was a score on. ACCURATE AND FAST HANDPASSING IS A SKILL!!!

    3. All kickouts to go outside 45. It promotes the Mark yes no doubt about that. But only 4 to 6 players to be between the the two 45s would have to be a must. This is a good idea.

    4. If we we stop the 2nd or 3rd handpass in a row then this will happen. Teams will win possession and be let keep the ball. The opposition will sprint back inside the 45 and crowd the D. The opposition will make a hand pass and there will be room to make a short kickpass as the defenders will be getting back to the D. There will be scope for teams to develop a 2nd or even a 3rd sweeper as you cannot get cut apart anymore as everyone will expect this hail mary ball into the square. Who wants to be watching sh1te like that. Caveman football.

    5. Leave the handpass alone FFS.

    6. A new curved line can be added which starts on each sideline on the 14 then arcs around splitting the distance between 45 and the edge of the D and this can be called the "scoring zone" any points from play outside this is worth 2 points. This promotes longer shooting then pulls out defences an extra 10 yards which leaves space inside. Goals should then be worth 4 points. Any ball fielded inside this arc is a Mark and even though it is insede the scoring zone is worth 2 points.

    7. Leave tackling alone. Its a mans game and if you want to bring the ball stupidly into the tackle with the new rules above then the oppisition should be allowed to drown ya.

    WE NEED TO PROMOTE SKILLS NOT TAKE THEM AWAY.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,742 ✭✭✭CloughCasey1


    Sorry Freedom but give me an O'Neills, a world cup soccer ball and a volleyball I woukd kick the O'Neills further longer and more accurate than the other two each and every time. O'Neills ball is also easier to catch and handpass accurately.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,609 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    First of all, we have to get rid of the needless handbags/scumbag tactics involved in Gaelic Football, particularly up North. More of it tonight as seen in the video below.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDO7vyKJw0w&feature=youtu.be


    That is easily solved. Third and subsequent players to join a melee get a straight red and an automatic four-week suspension.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,459 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    Amprodude wrote: »
    1. tell me with point no.1 how would you or anyone keep track of all the kick passes in the modern game?

    2. how would point no.2 help the game? what happens if designated players get injured,substituted or sent off?

    theory at its finest.
    LoveMeSexy wrote: »
    I can only presume some of these suggested rule changes are deliberately horrendous. Have some of you played football before or what's the craic?

    Anyway my suggestion are

    1) Double points for every kick pass before a score after 7+ kick passes. If within that play there was 4 or more 20 metre kick passes then the subsequent score will be worth a minimum of 5 points plus an extra substitute is awarded.

    2) Each team should have 2 designated handpassers, only they may handpass the ball.

    I think your sarcasm radar is broken


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭tigerboon


    Xenophile wrote: »
    Amprodude wrote: »
    long distance point should be 2 points. Bring the art of kicking a football back into the game.

    A good suggestion. For kicks taken outside the 45 meter line.
    Not much else needs to be changed if this was the case. Maybe drop the black and have a 5 minute sin bin.


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