Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

vectorvictor · 12-09-2018 10:14PM

NH2013 wrote: »

PHL will be the first route to switch to the NEO/LR in July, freeing up the 757 to operate MSP, the Second NEO/LR arriving in August will operate YUL.

What are we thinking on pax experience on the Neo over the 757? Bog standard narrowbody or any wow factor?

My next question I'm sure has already been answered and I should know but forgive me. Are the Neo going to be EI operated by normal 32x crew? Is this bye bye ASL or have they any role to fill in all of this?

If not, surely a blow, or maybe we will see them filling gaps like they did in Belfast this summer. Would be a shame to see the relationship end, they are a capable provider.

NH2013 · 12-09-2018 10:47PM

Neo experience should be broadly similar to the 757 except with on board WiFi similar to A330s. Will be operated fully in house by Aer Lingus Pilots, Crew and Engineers all on the Aer Lingus AOC.

goingnowhere · 12-09-2018 11:10PM

320 family is a bigger in the cabin than the 707/727/737/757 which share a common fuselage cross section, not noticed on short haul but it does mean a slightly wider seat
320 is quieter than the Boeing offerings as well
Should come with the latest interior, LED mood lighting and the latest IFE gear

Donegal Storm · 12-09-2018 11:36PM

Has there been any expansion on short haul announced this year, even extra frequencies? If the success of the transfer model so far is to be believed then surely some of the busier Euro routes must be bursting at the seams at this stage

kevinandrew · 13-09-2018 12:54AM

I think more announcements will come, this was really just a new route launch whereas in the past we've seen new routes announced as part of an overall summer schedule reveal, it's possibly too early for a full summer schedule release so additional transatlantic frequencies and new short haul routes and frequencies are still to come.

Last year for example, Aer Lingus announced Philadelphia followed by a full summer release in early October which included additional transatlantic frequencies and short haul growth. It wasn't until late November that Seattle was announced and Philadelphia was confirmed as daily. So there's room for more, we definitely haven't seen it all yet anyway.

California Dreamer · 13-09-2018 10:16AM

kevinandrew wrote: »

I think more announcements will come, .

Come on Las Vegas!!!! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

sherology · 13-09-2018 12:06PM

Anyone know what aircraft is flying Toronto tomorrow... Newer IFE or the box under the seat?

Bussywussy · 13-09-2018 04:44PM

sherology wrote: »

Anyone know what aircraft is flying Toronto tomorrow... Newer IFE or the box under the seat?

GCF i believe..newer IFE

goingnowhere · 13-09-2018 06:47PM

Just avoid the aisle seat on the window sides, still a great big ugly box

L1011 · 13-09-2018 08:19PM

State of Connecticut agree a deal to continue supporting DUB-BDL until 2022 at least; presumably a renewed but reduced subsidy. This includes changing to 321LR early.

Locker10a · 13-09-2018 08:44PM

By the looks of it the 321LR with seat 184 pax total, is that more than the 757? How will it compare for cargo ?

john boye · 13-09-2018 09:48PM

Locker10a wrote: »

By the looks of it the 321LR with seat 184 pax total, is that more than the 757? How will it compare for cargo ?

I seem to recall there's a hit on cargo space due to the extra tanks.

LXFlyer · 14-09-2018 11:56AM

Kcormahs wrote: »

In relation to the overnights in europe (ex. ei601 AMS and ei519 CDG) I also thought they'd be back but the plan has been dropped due to crew + aircraft costs + third parties (for example, LHR still have an EI engineer based plus EI brand lounge opens from 5am etc) so the overnights (ei149/159) still profitable. Unfortunately I would not be surprised if these last 2 are dropped by 2022 when the 7 years contract that IAG made on the EI Sale expires. Till there as far as I know IAG can't touch the EI schedules on the LHR route neither reduce frequencies, although they can add extra.
None of the european flights leaving europe at 6amISh local are for sale at the minute (ofc apart from LHR) up to August 2019 so even if it did happen, it wouldn't be next summer.

Furthermore DAA just announced more improving and expansion on infrastructure at DUB airport which will open new stands and parkings for aircrafts, by other words no need for Aer Lingus to overnight any aircraft abroad as there will be enough room at DUB airport.

Again, the summer schedules are never finalised until October or November - they just generally carry the previous schedule forward (unless they’re dropping a route). I wouldn’t rule anything out yet!

Kcormahs · 14-09-2018 01:20PM

LXFlyer wrote: »

Again, the summer schedules are never finalised until October or November - they just generally carry the previous schedule forward (unless they’re dropping a route). I wouldn’t rule anything out yet!

The cost of them is just unsustainable. Plus, it already works well under the current schedules to connect onto TAs. Why would they change for a schedule that envolves such a big cost (overnightinging crew, hotels transport and expenses)? Montreal and Minneapolis were not choosen to depart after 2pm randomly

Jamie2k9 · 14-09-2018 01:27PM

I think the European night stop not happeningis. LHR is safe.

LXFlyer · 14-09-2018 01:29PM

Kcormahs wrote: »

The cost of them is just unsustainable. Plus, it already works well under the current schedules to connect onto TAs. Why would they change for a schedule that envolves such a big cost (overnightinging crew, hotels transport and expenses)? Montreal and Minneapolis were not choosen to depart after 2pm randomly

We will just have to wait and see.

The cost/benefits are something EI would have to assess themselves.

I’m just pointing out that you wrongly assumed that the summer schedule is finalised because there are no flights in the booking engine.

The summer schedule isn’t finalised yet and never is until October/November or thereabouts. Even after that there can still be late notice schedule changes.

All they’ve done so far is carry the current schedule into summer 2019.

Locker10a · 14-09-2018 03:05PM

If the Ryanair deal goes through on connections then they probably wouldn’t need Euro overnights, alternatively an expansion with Cityjet could easily cover an early more AMS or CDG departure carrying connections to DUB, I think Cityjet even have established bases in both CDG and AMS

Kcormahs · 15-09-2018 03:59PM

‘’He (Stephen Kavanagh) said Aer Lingus would be making announcements in the coming weeks focusing on expansion in mainly European cities.’’

Is aer lingus expanding their short haul network? Only out of Cork or possibly Dublin too? Wonder if we will see more a320s in the fleet arriving next year!

https://www.breakingnews.ie/business/cork-boosted-by-airline-competition-869126.html

goingnowhere · 15-09-2018 04:48PM

Each A321NEO LR is likely to do a DUB-UK/EU flight daily between TATL, this does give an uplift

Kcormahs · 15-09-2018 05:58PM

goingnowhere wrote: »

Each A321NEO LR is likely to do a DUB-UK/EU flight daily between TATL, this does give an uplift

I also considered that. I just wonder will EI be getting 4 next year or only one/two due to delays? And will we see the Business class product on those routes? Maybe on the 320s too?

kevinandrew · 15-09-2018 06:17PM

Kcormahs wrote: »

goingnowhere wrote: »

Each A321NEO LR is likely to do a DUB-UK/EU flight daily between TATL, this does give an uplift

I also considered that. I just wonder will EI be getting 4 next year or only one/two due to delays? And will we see the Business class product on those routes? Maybe on the 320s too?

The seat map is already available on the Aer Lingus booking engine. The layout shows 16 business class seats in the current staggered configuration so we can expect an identical product to the current long haul aircraft. Montreal will be the first route, it departs Dublin in the evening so there's quite a lot of downtime between transatlantic crossings which suggests that a few UK or European hops are possible.

L1011 · 15-09-2018 06:21PM

Kcormahs wrote: »

I also considered that. I just wonder will EI be getting 4 next year or only one/two due to delays? And will we see the Business class product on those routes? Maybe on the 320s too?

They'll have biz seating and I can't see them selling it as seat only upgrade like on the 330 euro rotations currently. There will have to be some biz service improvements

If it's a big success they might offer biz service on 320s on the same routes but without the seats. Middle seat blocked only basically

Kcormahs · 15-09-2018 06:30PM

L1011 wrote: »

Kcormahs wrote: »

I also considered that. I just wonder will EI be getting 4 next year or only one/two due to delays? And will we see the Business class product on those routes? Maybe on the 320s too?

They'll have biz seating and I can't see them selling it as seat only upgrade like on the 330 euro rotations currently. There will have to be some biz service improvements

If it's a big success they might offer biz service on 320s on the same routes but without the seats. Middle seat blocked only basically

Basically like in BA with the euroclub although I don’t see curtains being refitted.

Any official date/time for this european expansion announcement?

marno21 · 15-09-2018 06:33PM

Any talk of an ORK rotation? Would be a quick turnaround, and with EI's growing long haul network there will surely be demand

Current options from Cork in the mornings are driving via a motorway that's clogged on approach to the airport/Dublin. A bus that's stuck in the same traffic and goes slower on the free flowing element, and a train that terminates some distance from the airport. Given the US presence in Cork it may be an option given the lack of direct links.

billie1b · 15-09-2018 06:41PM

Locker10a wrote: »

By the looks of it the 321LR with seat 184 pax total, is that more than the 757? How will it compare for cargo ?

7 more pax than the 757, the 757 operates with 177

vectorvictor · 15-09-2018 06:48PM

marno21 wrote: »

Any talk of an ORK rotation? Would be a quick turnaround, and with EI's growing long haul network there will surely be demand

Current options from Cork in the mornings are driving via a motorway that's clogged on approach to the airport/Dublin. A bus that's stuck in the same traffic and goes slower on the free flowing element, and a train that terminates some distance from the airport. Given the US presence in Cork it may be an option given the lack of direct links.

There's a myriad of public transport options that get from Cork to Dublin Airport in 3 to 3.5 hours or Shannon in 2 to 2.5 hours. There's just no need for air service. If FR couldn't make it work at what was a pretty much constantly available €9.99 (often €4.99) then nobody can.

Tenger · 15-09-2018 06:59PM

Kcormahs wrote: »

I also considered that. I just wonder will EI be getting 4 next year or only one/two due to delays? And will we see the Business class product on those routes? Maybe on the 320s too?

I saw a link yesterday to an announcement from Connecticut governor. It stated that he was happy to confirm that “Aer Lingus have committed to the route under at least 2022”, and they will introduce “one of their 4 new A321LR aircraft next year”

Jack1985 · 15-09-2018 07:06PM

kevinandrew wrote: »

The seat map is already available on the Aer Lingus booking engine. The layout shows 16 business class seats in the current staggered configuration so we can expect an identical product to the current long haul aircraft. Montreal will be the first route, it departs Dublin in the evening so there's quite a lot of downtime between transatlantic crossings which suggests that a few UK or European hops are possible.

First A321LR route planned to be PHL from 08/07/18 followed by YUL 08/08/18. B757 retirements to commence Q4 2018.

No announcement yet in relation to what potential early EU's the A321LR's will operate on downtime from the US, they won't be used on the likes of Summer routes as capacity is less then the standard Y212 A321's. Can see the likes of the 602, 152 or 520 taking an A321LR, maybe they will tie it in with the AerSpace launch (if Ever..).

marno21 · 15-09-2018 07:10PM

vectorvictor wrote: »

There's a myriad of public transport options that get from Cork to Dublin Airport in 3 to 3.5 hours or Shannon in 2 to 2.5 hours. There's just no need for air service. If FR couldn't make it work at what was a pretty much constantly available €9.99 (often €4.99) then nobody can.

FR didn't do transatlantic connections. That's the main reason I'm proposing it

Jack1985 · 15-09-2018 07:10PM

marno21 wrote: »

Any talk of an ORK rotation? Would be a quick turnaround, and with EI's growing long haul network there will surely be demand

Current options from Cork in the mornings are driving via a motorway that's clogged on approach to the airport/Dublin. A bus that's stuck in the same traffic and goes slower on the free flowing element, and a train that terminates some distance from the airport. Given the US presence in Cork it may be an option given the lack of direct links.

Stobart's IOM operation for Flybe ends in late March 2019, releasing two ATR 72-500's for use. I would hope a potential ORK-DUB rotation may reappear, there is justifiable demand - A look at recent growth for Coach operators shows this with Aircoach running nearly two buses an hour now one for the airport and the other for the city. GoBe recently significantly grew services. This ''there is no need for air services'' is nonsense, there is demand.

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