NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

tsue921i8wljb3 · 13-09-2018 03:10AM

KOR101 wrote: »

Eir in 'unjustified' charges showdown

https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/eir-in-unjustified-charges-showdown-37296352.html

But, all quiet on the pole charge.

If there is to be a reduction in the cost of access it seems that it will be of eir's own volition according to this from Comreg commissioner Jeremy Godfrey:

AW: Will ComReg intervene in the standoff between Eir and Enet, which is complaining about the cost of accessing Eir's rural network infrastructure to make the state-sponsored National Broadband Plan work? Eir says this is a regulated price from ComReg.

JG: No, we set a maximum price that it is allowed to charge. Eir is perfectly entitled to charge a lower price than that maximum if they want.

We've made it very clear to them that if they choose to charge a lower price in the context of the NBP, that those are unique circumstances and that it wouldn't necessarily follow that they may then have to charge the same price to everybody else for much more limited access to poles in different circumstances.

So Eir actually has quite a bit of flexibility itself on this. But we're due to look at that pricing in the next year or so anyway. Sometimes the model assumptions change and the data changes and then the price changes. But it's unlikely to change for the next year.

There is also an explanation from him why eir is leaving copper in place for the time being while deploying FTTH.

https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/news/telecoms-watchdog-ready-to-roll-out-vital-broadband-verdict-37310537.html

KOR101 · 13-09-2018 09:36AM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

If there is to be a reduction in the cost of access it seems that it will be of eir's own volition according to this from Comreg commissioner Jeremy Godfrey:

https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/news/telecoms-watchdog-ready-to-roll-out-vital-broadband-verdict-37310537.html

So, the mooted legislation to cut access costs is just a threat to Eir to try to force them to negotiate a reduction.

https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/new-law-to-slash-rural-broadband-plan-costs-36537412.html

turbbo · 13-09-2018 10:00AM

KOR101 wrote: »

So, the mooted legislation to cut access costs is just a threat to Eir to try to force them to negotiate a reduction.

https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/new-law-to-slash-rural-broadband-plan-costs-36537412.html

That can't be for real the state has no way of doing that unless they feel like losing in the european courts?

Standard Toaster · 13-09-2018 10:34AM

KOR101 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/new-law-to-slash-rural-broadband-plan-costs-36537412.html

"Two private companies - Eir and Enet - are competing for the long-awaited State contract."

Wait....what?

Standard Toaster · 13-09-2018 10:34AM

KOR101 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/new-law-to-slash-rural-broadband-plan-costs-36537412.html

"Two private companies - Eir and Enet - are competing for the long-awaited State contract."

Wait....what?

tsue921i8wljb3 · 13-09-2018 10:48AM

KOR101 wrote: »

So, the mooted legislation to cut access costs is just a threat to Eir to try to force them to negotiate a reduction.

https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/new-law-to-slash-rural-broadband-plan-costs-36537412.html

It's all very confusing. Surely any legislation that cut costs would now be on shaky ground given that the regulator has not seen fit to intervene. Was it all a bluff?

tsue921i8wljb3 · 13-09-2018 10:49AM

Standard Toaster wrote: »

"Two private companies - Eir and Enet - are competing for the long-awaited State contract."

Wait....what?

The article is from January, before eir had pulled out.

Pique · 13-09-2018 10:51AM

turbbo wrote: »

KOR101 wrote: »

So, the mooted legislation to cut access costs is just a threat to Eir to try to force them to negotiate a reduction.

https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/new-law-to-slash-rural-broadband-plan-costs-36537412.html

That can't be for real the state has no way of doing that unless they feel like losing in the european courts?

I don't understand that. Isn't there already a price limit imposed via ComReg so why would reducing that price limit run afoul of Euro Law?

KOR101 · 13-09-2018 10:57AM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

It's all very confusing. Surely any legislation that cut costs would now be on shaky ground given that the regulator has not seen fit to intervene. Was it all a bluff?

If legislation was part of the picture, it would have been published by now. I remember reading the number of poles involved @€;20 each but can't find it now. I did work out the implied sum at the time and it was huge. That may explain Eir's silence.

I, for one, am happy for the Govt to just pay through the nose and get it started.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 13-09-2018 11:04AM

KOR101 wrote: »

If legislation was part of the picture, it would have been published by now. I remember reading the number of poles involved @€;20 each but can't find it now. I did work out the implied sum at the time and it was huge. That may explain Eir's silence.

I, for one, am happy for the Govt to just pay through the nose and get it started.

I think it currently goes on the number of cables on the pole (or perhaps operator). So if one eir cable and one enet cable it's €10 each.

BArra · 14-09-2018 10:30AM

what is the date this month where there is due to be an announcement on the awarding of the contract?

fergus1001 · 14-09-2018 11:41AM

BArra wrote: »

what is the date this month where there is due to be an announcement on the awarding of the contract?

for political reasons i would expect that denis will rock up to the ploughing match with a piece of paper in his hand which promises broadband for all in our time

BandMember · 14-09-2018 11:49AM

Well, it is supposed to be announced this weekend (according to the date given by one of the Government Departments), so..........

BArra · 14-09-2018 12:17PM

is there any link that shows the date? tried to google but not having any luck seeing it in black and white

westyIrl · 14-09-2018 12:17PM

BArra wrote: »

what is the date this month where there is due to be an announcement on the awarding of the contract?

16th apparently, but don't know how on the mark that'll be.

Oh the suspense of the whole thing...

Jim

westyIrl · 14-09-2018 12:20PM

BArra wrote: »

is there any link that shows the date? tried to google but not having any luck seeing it in black and white

And the Government is internally planning a launch date of September 16 for the announcement of Enet as the winner of the state-backed competition.

https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/adrian-weckler-broadband-rollout-plan-lives-on-37207139.html

Jim

ED E · 14-09-2018 03:31PM

This will end in tears...

joe_99 · 14-09-2018 04:55PM

Don't expect an announcement this weekend. Late September is the latest I heard.

SkepticQuark · 14-09-2018 04:58PM

Yeah given the quietness I'm not really expecting anything to come out.

KOR101 · 14-09-2018 06:27PM

joe_99 wrote: »

Don't expect an announcement this weekend. Late September is the latest I heard.

Source?

fergus1001 · 14-09-2018 06:36PM

joe_99 wrote:

Don't expect an announcement this weekend. Late September is the latest I heard.

who do you work for !?

tsue921i8wljb3 · 14-09-2018 06:57PM

joe_99 wrote: »

Don't expect an announcement this weekend. Late September is the latest I heard.

Have you heard if eir has done a deal on pole access or are the Government willing bto pay the regulated price?

rodge123 · 15-09-2018 09:29AM

There will no be money for anything else if the HEalth service continues coming in massively over budget every year!
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/soaring-health-deficit-causing-alarm-within-government-1.3629720?mode=amp

rodge123 · 15-09-2018 09:11PM

Good auld Denis sharing links

tsue921i8wljb3 · 15-09-2018 09:18PM

Ireland Offline made an FOI request for details of the various meetings between eir and the Department.

https://twitter.com/irelandoffline/status/1040706740814315521

Ultimanemo · 15-09-2018 09:28PM

roddy15 wrote: »

Yeah given the quietness I'm not really expecting anything to come out.

It happened few times before; quiet for few weeks then a company pulls out.

Ultimanemo · 15-09-2018 09:33PM

rodge123 wrote: »

Good auld Denis sharing links

Whenever he feels gloomy, he reminds himself of eir 300k to cheer him up

rodge123 · 15-09-2018 09:42PM

Ultimanemo wrote: »

Whenever he feels gloomy, he reminds himself of eir 300k to cheer him up

Yeah can read it two ways.

1. He’s happy Eir are cooperating and will come to an arrangement with Enet and gov can sign off.

2. Eir are digging their heals in on costs to access their network and poor Denis knows Leo and the boys won’t cough up enough funds to cover governments share of costs..therefore Enet pulls out.

I’m kinda leaning towards number two just because I’ve completely lost faith in the department and goverment to deliver this after all the drop outs and delays.
Hope I’m wrong!

Marlow · 15-09-2018 09:43PM

Ultimanemo wrote: »

Whenever he feels gloomy, he reminds himself of eir 300k to cheer him up

And next he gets an email (or a few) pointing him at the fibrerollout.ie wholesale partner list, reminding him, that there are more providers, who offer FTTH on OpenEIRs platform.

And that he as a voted politician should be impartial.

AND !! that a lot of these other providers actually spend their money in Ireland

So that cheer lasts about 15 seconds.

/M

tsue921i8wljb3 · 15-09-2018 09:44PM

rodge123 wrote: »

Yeah can read it two ways.

1. He’s happy Eir are cooperating and will come to an arrangement with Enet and gov can sign off.

2. Eir are digging their heals in on costs to access their network and poor Denis knows Leo and the boys won’t cough up enough funds to cover governments share of costs..therefore Enet pulls out.

I’m kinda leaning towards number two just because I’ve completely lost faith in the department and goverment to deliver this after all the drop outs and delays.
Hope I’m wrong!

His job is gone if you are right.

NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

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