Better Call Saul Spoilers

NickNickleby · 07-09-2018 01:44PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Hopefully there is backstory about Gus Fring.

That would be great. Hasn't he a history of funding PhD researchers, and isn't Gale being funded 'at the moment', hence Gus visiting him at the lab? or am I raving?

There's been lots of hints to his origins being mysterious, between stuff Mike said in BB and also Hank saying they needed to keep digging, because he was sure they'd find something.

However, I doubt if they could get whole episodes out of it, might work better with extended flashbacks. I'll have a chat with Vince :pac::pac::pac::pac:

gormdubhgorm · 07-09-2018 02:10PM

NickNickleby wrote: »

That would be great. Hasn't he a history of funding PhD researchers, and isn't Gale being funded 'at the moment', hence Gus visiting him at the lab? or am I raving?

You are correct Fring had a scholarship for physicists.

"In 1994, after moving to the United States, Gustavo Fring established a college scholarship,
known as the Max Arciniega Chemistry Scholarship, at the University of New Mexico Chemistry department.
This scholarship honored Gustavo's dear friend, Maximino Arciniega.
Gale was a recipient of the scholarship (perhaps one of three dozen), and this paid for his education ("Hermanos").
While at UNM, Gale received his Bachelor's degree, and graduated in 1999"

Taken from -

http://breakingbad.wikia.com/wiki/Gale_Boetticher

FreudianSlippers · 07-09-2018 02:25PM

I'm an episode behind, but the whole Nacho/Gus/Mike thing is confusing me. Ok, we all know Nacho survives into B.B. and we know that Nacho effectively used Gus and his operation in an attempt to get away from Salamanca (or more probably get his dad away). But I'm not recalling exactly how Mike fits in there?

Nacho wanted Hector dead, Gus doesn't want him dead (not yet anyway for some reason?) but I can't remember how Mike fits in...

Tony EH · 07-09-2018 02:46PM

optogirl wrote: »

The latest episode left me with an overwhelming feeling of sadness for Kim

The moment I saw Kim, I felt sorry for her. She's empty. The only thing in her life is work, which is just depressing (she likes watching a few flicks here and there too, I guess). But, she's an incredibly sad character and has been the second she walked on screen.

rubadub · 07-09-2018 02:47PM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I can't remember how Mike fits in...

Mike was after Hector, remember the note on the car saying "don't"

have a read of this page, I find the site very good for jogging my memory.

http://breakingbad.wikia.com/wiki/Mike_Ehrmantraut

zuutroy · 07-09-2018 10:36PM

Enjoyed this week's a lot, even if that does make me a BB fan boy. One thing's for sure, Vince Gilligan should be allowed make all the telly. When you look at YouTube these days you realise the extend to which everyone has copied him.

wylo · 08-09-2018 09:12AM

zuutroy wrote: »

Enjoyed this week's a lot, even if that does make me a BB fan boy. One thing's for sure, Vince Gilligan should be allowed make all the telly. When you look at YouTube these days you realise the extend to which everyone has copied him.

YouTube? What do you mean?

zuutroy · 08-09-2018 12:41PM

wylo wrote: »

YouTube? What do you mean?

Just a lot of the popular 'vloggers' use his style of putting cameras in weird places and then walking into shot, and his style of montage, time lapse etc.

gormdubhgorm · 08-09-2018 01:10PM

zuutroy wrote: »

Just a lot of the popular 'vloggers' use his style of putting cameras in weird places and then walking into shot, and his style of montage, time lapse etc.

I thought that was s Six Million Dollar Man / A-Team thing?

zuutroy · 08-09-2018 01:38PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I thought that was s Six Million Dollar Man / A-Team thing?

Maybe it was, but I wasnt really appreciating the cinematography as a 6 year old, I was just watching for the explosions!

The Black Oil · 08-09-2018 08:01PM

zuutroy wrote: »

Just a lot of the popular 'vloggers' use his style of putting cameras in weird places and then walking into shot, and his style of montage, time lapse etc.

Probably Casey Neistat, then. Lots of imitations. There might be a generation of people who Youtube, but don't watch traditional TV (gosh, I sound old) let alone a slow burn show about a dodgy lawyer.

Slydice · 11-09-2018 10:05AM

The two guys nodding at each other

Brendan Filone · 11-09-2018 06:25PM

I thought Jimmy mentioned "Scent of a Woman" and Emma Thompson winning the Oscar during flashback just to indicate the timeline but when I looked it up I saw Emma won it for a film called "Howard's End" :eek:

gormdubhgorm · 11-09-2018 06:39PM

Brendan Filone wrote: »

I thought Jimmy mentioned "Scent of a Woman" and Emma Thompson winning the Oscar during flashback just to indicate the timeline but when I looked it up I saw Emma won it for a film called "Howard's End" :eek:

That is brilliant stuff well researched. I love them subtle links and nods.

gormdubhgorm · 11-09-2018 06:47PM

It was a very enjoyable episode overall.
I don't predict a good future for Kai though.
Was that the fella that robbed the Hummel (for Jimmy) with Huell in the alleyway?

Also, I was a bit confused about how Jimmy got to know about the Hummel Mrs Strauss?
If it was a former client how come the printer people did not know him?
Or am I confusing it?

Bigus · 11-09-2018 08:32PM

sicknotexi wrote: »

I thought it was completely unnecessary, I personally don't care how they came around to choosing who would dig the meth lab.

Ok , with the benefit of more episodes, I think I can see why we are being given so much detail about how hard and expensive it was for Gus to construct his lab on (or I should say under )USA soil.

It took the clever Gus all this time,effort, risk, resources and brainpower, to build a lab that could deliver good quality meth, yet later all this effort was replicated by Walter White almost by accident, and with very little resources.

Therefore Walter White is going to be a much bigger thorn in both Gustavo's and the cartels side then we ever realised.

scamalert · 11-09-2018 10:20PM

enjoyable episode glad jimmy went back to them kids

his get it together speech to howard was good as well. Kim seems driffting out of the picture she was great in all previous episodes but now shes just time filler, think moment she mentioned going with another firm jimmy switched off and realized the two dont have future. It will be great bundle for future generations to see this morphed into complete bundle where whole character development is created to be made into show, even thou its done in reverse now.

ButtersSuki · 11-09-2018 11:51PM

Another quality episode.

Jimmy & Kimmy....are ending right before our eyes. The mirroring of the "You need to do what's best for you" line between them says as much: Kim to Jimmy when she asked him if he was going to see the shrink, and Jimmy to Kim when she said she was going to rejoin a big law firm (who's lead Jimmy hates btw). Jimmy

standing by the FORQUE sign in the kitchen I assume is signalling he's come to a fork in the road and has to choose one side/which road to take. We all know which road he'll take.

Likewise,

his complete apparent about turn on his outward expression to Kim about the role and the mentioning of the goldfish again lead me back to something I said about a previous episode - that once he's made up his mind he's forgotten about it completely.

Kim rejoining a big law firm though doesn't fit with her re-discovered love of the law and helping people - a minor flaw sure, but it seems like a soft exit for me. It also

strikes me as very weird as she hasn't discussed any of this with Mesa Verde before committing. You can bet your ass would want to know about changes to their legal representation in advance of being presented with it as a fait accompli.

Also Kim joining

that firm is deeply symbolic. She knows that's going to cut at Jimmy as they were the ones who fought him in the Sandpiper case. Joining them is for him the same as joining the enemy.

Gus & Mike...I felt a bit weird about this as

Mike is directing Gus more than I expected. One would assume it would be much more of a collaborative effort at this point. Gus is as, if not more cautious than Mike, yet seems to be very blase about some elements of the construdtion and failing to see the bigger picture - which is not like him.

Kai

is going to get his comeuppance at some stage, be that simply fired or a more "corporal" punishment.

Gus's

monologue however was pretty cool, really shows the patience of the man in exacting his revenge. He's ready to wait as long as it takes.

The Howard's End line was amusing, though

I can't see an established, large and very successful law firm like HHM collapsing this quickly. These companies would have many clients on huge retainers. Chuck wasn't working in recent years so it's not like clients left when he passed. And the nature of these relationships is people are very slow to leave. It's just not credible that things have happened like this - ity's been 3 months apparently since Chuck's death!

Jimmy into Saul

was great. The "you get one warning" line was great, we're almost there - you can feel it.

Finally, I'm sure Bushmills were delighted with the plug. That "there's a Mr. Bushmills waiting for me in my office" is I suspect likely going to become a thing. Gilligan plugged a few whiskey and bourbon brands in Breaking Bad - for free no less!

Cloudio9 · 12-09-2018 05:45AM

I am sofa king bored of Kim stories. Please kill her off.

nullzero · 12-09-2018 07:26AM

Cloudio9 wrote: »

I am sofa king bored of Kim stories. Please kill her off.

With 'splosions?

Cloudio9 · 12-09-2018 07:42AM

nullzero wrote: »

With 'splosions?

Any method will do as long as I don’t have to watch more episodes about a banking/public defender lawyer dilemma.

The whole thing is ridiculous....as if lawyers in their forties just jump day to day between a specialised area like financial services regulation to defending skobes in the criminal justice system.

Tabnabs · 12-09-2018 09:33AM

I think it was the first time I have seen Kim genuinely happy, during the restaurant scene with Jimmy, her face lit up and she let out a laugh.

She can remain financially secure whilst pursuing PB work. She doesn't have a deep connection with Jimmy and going back into partnership with him was never going to work out. Their paths are diverging and he's slippin' away. They'll part with a wistful look on Saul's face.

Great to see Jimmy back in his old haunt at the Vietnamese salon and hilarious to see the owner getting more and more obstructive as he carried all those boxes in.

Under His Eye · 12-09-2018 09:37AM

Was that Huel?

Penn · 12-09-2018 09:43AM

Under His Eye wrote: »

Was that Huel?

Yeah. The actor lost a tonne of weight after Breaking Bad.

Hector Savage · 12-09-2018 10:27AM

Well, that's my question answered about how they will build this lab and keep the guys in the dark.
Really like this storyline, I remember Gus saying in BB that to make it economically viable he would need 200 lbs a week.

1lb was $40k, thats $8M a week.
I remember thinking how the hell does he need that much to make it viable, things make a lot more sense now, as it seems it was a massive massive investment.

I sense bad things in store for Kai.

De Bhál · 12-09-2018 10:46AM

while I like the story-line regarding the lab build, it seems to me to be completely overboard. Would it have not made more economic sense to do the meth production out in a farm in the countryside well away from prying eyes.

Wouldn't make good tv I know, but I can't really see the advantages to this as so much could go wrong and so many people are involved.

Kim story-line petering out now - can see her being sent off to some other office in another town and that's the end of that.

Penn · 12-09-2018 11:22AM

De Bhál wrote: »

while I like the story-line regarding the lab build, it seems to me to be completely overboard. Would it have not made more economic sense to do the meth production out in a farm in the countryside well away from prying eyes.

Economic sense, yes. But it would have thrown up a bunch of issues regarding dispatch (which they could use the laundry trucks for), equipment (the ventilation in the underground lab was tied in with the laundry ventilation so it didn't seem unusual), people coming and going, security (security system for the laundry doubling as the external security for the lab).

Hank/Gomez were in or around the laundry a few times and still couldn't find any sign of the lab. If the lab was out in some farm somewhere, if Hank/Gomez had any suspicion about it it wouldn't have taken long for them to find it. Plus you're talking the huge energy demands for the lab (less noticeable when tied in with the laundry in the middle of a city rather than out in the countryside) and financial ties to the land (easy to own a laundry, less easy to justify a random bit of farmland as they already had chicken farms).

Gus is meticulous. He'd rather spend a lot of money and go to huge effort to create something near perfect than to risk it to save money by creating a lesser product. Hence why he also had no objection to Mike's suggestions about what to put in the living quarters for the guys who'll be doing the job. The lab under the laundry was overboard, but given its purpose and how much money he'd be making from it, overboard was better in order to eliminate as much risk as possible. A lab out in a farm in the countryside would never match the lab under the laundry.

Hector Savage · 12-09-2018 11:39AM

I am re watching BB in parallel here, Just watched series 5 ep 7 BrBa spoiler ..

Walt kills Mike - can't believe such a good character like Mike gets killed by Walt ...

Penn · 12-09-2018 12:05PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

I am re watching BB in parallel here, Just watched series 5 ep 7 BrBa spoiler ..
Walt kills Mike - can't believe such a good character like Mike gets killed by Walt ...

Like most characters, Mike underestimated Walt and the levels he'd go to, and Mike was rattled by losing all his money and having to go on the run. He unfortunately dropped his guard enough for Walt to get the drop on him. But yeah, it was a sad end for his character, given what we've learned he can do not just in Breaking Bad but also seeing him in BCS. Mad to think he started off in BB as just someone Saul called to clean up after Jane's overdose.

BandMember · 12-09-2018 01:17PM

Penn wrote: »

Hank/Gomez were in or around the laundry a few times and still couldn't find any sign of the lab. If the lab was out in some farm somewhere, if Hank/Gomez had any suspicion about it it wouldn't have taken long for them to find it.

What are ya on about? Sure Hank couldn't even find his own brother in law and he with him nearly every day..... :P

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