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  • #212
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,138 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I see the nonsensical non-stories are taking over the thread again today.

    More interestingly, there seems to be some differences about where house prices have been and where they are heading in the future.

    First up, we have RTE regurgitating a press release to say the house prices are going up:

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2018/0903/991283-s-p-on-house-prices/

    "A new report has predicted that house prices are set to grow at a "rapid" 9.5% this year and 8% in 2019 as the housing supply catches up with demand."

    At the same time, we have a building boom in Fingal:

    https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2018/0901/990930-fingal-construction/

    I did point this out a few weeks ago, that Fingal were so much better than the likes of DCC or South Dublin, and this is backed up here:

    "He said other Dublin local authority areas are not building as much as Fingal, often due to local opposition to new developments."

    The government is also moving finally on State land. Hopefully, Donnybrook, Ringsend and Broadstone bus depots can be evicted for a start.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/state-to-target-religious-land-in-homes-plan-37273973.html

    And now the most interesting part of the story

    https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/property-mortgages/prices-fall-for-first-time-in-five-years-37273956.html

    Despite the predictions above of 9.5% rises, house prices are actually falling in some areas. North County Dublin and Dublin 15 have seen price falls, which ties in with the Fingal building boom story. It seems that some things may be changing.

    Finally, a little anecdote. Walking to Croke Park yesterday, I passed the newly built Summerhill Health Centre. I wasn't surprised to notice that most of it was only a two-storey building just a couple of hundred yards from O'Connell Street. After all, DCC have planning responsibility for this area. If they were serious about solving the living and housing issues in central Dublin, they would have sent the plans for that building back to the developers/HSE and told them to build at least eight storeys high. But no, our incompetent local authority just let them build it.


  • #213
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,138 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    http://www.thejournal.ie/modular-homes-dublin-city-council-housing-4220629-Sep2018/


    More low-density construction by Dublin City Council.

    A quick fix that will make things worse in the medium term.


  • #214
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,082 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    blanch152 wrote: »
    The government is also moving finally on State land. Hopefully, Donnybrook, Ringsend and Broadstone bus depots can be evicted for a start.


    And all these new residents will get to work how if this happens?


  • #215
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,138 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    VinLieger wrote: »
    And all these new residents will get to work how if this happens?

    As they would be living in walking distance from the city centre and docklands, along public transport lines, I thought that would be obvious.

    As for the rest, most morning bus journeys start in the suburbs.

    The buses have to travel out from city centre locations to start their journey, cutting staff productivity. There is already a bud depot in Harristown.

    Tyrellstown, Citywest, Kilruddery, places like that would be good locations.


  • #216
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    blanch152 wrote: »
    http://www.thejournal.ie/modular-homes-dublin-city-council-housing-4220629-Sep2018/


    More low-density construction by Dublin City Council.

    A quick fix that will make things worse in the medium term.

    Lol....

    Funnily enough there was a certain cohort of posters who were all on for the likes of this whenever it was mooted by the govt a few years ago.......

    Let me guess though.... this is (now) a bad idea because it's a DCC proposal, and the DCC doesn't have a FG majority. :D


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  • #217
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,138 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    Lol....

    Funnily enough there was a certain cohort of posters who were all on for the likes of this whenever it was mooted by the govt a few years ago.......

    Let me guess though.... this is (now) a bad idea because it's a DCC proposal, and the DCC doesn't have a FG majority. :D

    Don't see anyone who favoured the proposal then being against it now.

    Interesting that it took DCC over three years to put the thing in place.


  • #218
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Don't see anyone who favoured the proposal then being against it now.

    Interesting that it took DCC over three years to put the thing in place.

    So... it was a good idea then = still a good idea now?

    Or were the lads who were complaining about it then = right all along?

    Which is it?


  • #219
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,138 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    So... it was a good idea then = still a good idea now? Which is it?


    It was never a good idea, only a short-term fix.


  • #220
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    blanch152 wrote: »
    It was never a good idea, only a short-term fix.

    Wasn't that the very sentiments of 'de left' back then, and the government cheerleaders told them to cop themselves on, something about never being happy/serial whingers/can't do right for wrong etc etc etc?

    No doubt some of them usual suspects will be along soon to tell us that this is now still a bleedin deadly idea, and posters that give out about it are (see labels above)

    Glad you've seen the light B.


  • #221
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,138 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    Wasn't that the very sentiments of 'de left' back then, and the government cheerleaders told them to cop themselves on, something about never being happy/serial whingers/can't do right for wrong etc etc etc?

    No doubt some of them usual suspects will be along soon to tell us that this is now still a bleedin deadly idea, and posters that give out about it are (see labels above)

    Glad you've seen the light B.


    Didn't see me supporting it back then.

    That thread was about the tender, very little discussion about whether it was a good or bad idea.


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  • #222
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    VinLieger wrote: »
    And all these new residents will get to work how if this happens?
    Bus depot ≠ bus stop


  • #223
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    blanch152 wrote: »
    http://www.thejournal.ie/modular-homes-dublin-city-council-housing-4220629-Sep2018/


    More low-density construction by Dublin City Council.

    A quick fix that will make things worse in the medium term.
    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    Lol....

    Funnily enough there was a certain cohort of posters who were all on for the likes of this whenever it was mooted by the govt a few years ago.......

    Let me guess though.... this is (now) a bad idea because it's a DCC proposal, and the DCC doesn't have a FG majority. :D

    There's absolutely nothing wrong with high-quality prefabricated house construction; the issue for me is the question as to where these houses will be built. In the major urban centres, we should not be building low-density housing of any kind (regardless of prefabrication or not).

    I'm also concerned at the quality of the prefabricated units they will be purchasing.

    (EDIT: I can't see that thread - presuming it's an AH thread?)


  • #224
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Didn't see me supporting it back then.

    No one said you did, but no doubt your fellow travellers who did will be along soon telling you to give over soon.....
    That thread was about the tender, very little discussion about whether it was a good or bad idea.

    On the contrary - the title was about the tender but apart from 2 or 3 posts the discussion was back and forth about how this was a crap idea v "at least the govt are doing something about it/ serial whingers/ beats a damp bedsit" arguments.

    You seem to be now agreeing with everyone who said it was a bad idea back then too, this is progress.


  • #225
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,138 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    No one said you did, but no doubt your fellow travellers who did will be along soon telling you to give over soon.....


    On the contrary - the title was about the tender but apart from 2 or 3 posts the discussion was back and forth about how this was a crap idea v "at least the govt are doing something about it/ serial whingers/ beats a damp bedsit" arguments.

    You seem to be now agreeing with everyone who said it was a bad idea back then too, this is progress.


    To be clear, I am saying that it is a bad idea to build low-density prefabricated housing within the DCC council area. The outskirts of the city as a short-term quick fix would be a different question with possible a different answer, but I haven't looked into pre-fabricated housing in any detail. Nice of you to twist my response anyway.

    Speaking of DCC, I can't find it online, but there was a paragraph in the Indo today in the middle of an article about housing about how they are once again missing targets for the building of housing.


  • #226
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    blanch152 wrote: »
    To be clear, I am saying that it is a bad idea to build low-density prefabricated housing within the DCC council area. The outskirts of the city as a short-term quick fix would be a different question with possible a different answer, but I haven't looked into pre-fabricated housing in any detail. Nice of you to twist my response anyway.

    Speaking of DCC, I can't find it online, but there was a paragraph in the Indo today in the middle of an article about housing about how they are once again missing targets for the building of housing.

    The modular homes where for the DCC area back then too.


    But aside from this, you now seem to be giving out that DCC have implement a FG/Labour plan/commitment.

    As I said previously, this is progress.


  • #227
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,138 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    The modular homes where for the DCC area back then too.


    But aside from this, you now seem to be giving out that DCC have implement a FG/Labour plan/commitment.

    As I said previously, this is progress.


    I am giving out that DCC keep making the wrong choices from the options available to them.

    There have been a lot of initiatives put in place by the government for the LAs to avail of, and there are other ones that have always been available (e.g. just build high density social housing).

    DCC have a habit of consistently picking the wrong ones.

    As I said, pre-fabricated low-density housing may have a place in solving the homelessness problem, but the middle of the city of Dublin is not the place. Do you agree with that, or are you just interested in point-scoring?


  • #228
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    blanch152 wrote: »
    I am giving out that DCC keep making the wrong choices from the options available to them.

    There have been a lot of initiatives put in place by the government for the LAs to avail of, and there are other ones that have always been available (e.g. just build high density social housing).

    DCC have a habit of consistently picking the wrong ones.

    As I said, pre-fabricated low-density housing may have a place in solving the homelessness problem, but the middle of the city of Dublin is not the place. Do you agree with that, or are you just interested in point-scoring?
    Ignoring the "pre-fabricated" issue, as it's a bit of an outdated argument* nobody should be building low density inside the M50 at the moment.


    *there are obviously still **** pre-fab buildings, I'm not arguing for using those.


  • #229
    Nitrogan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭Nitrogan


    Who has been running DCC for the last 10 years?


  • #230
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Nitrogan wrote: »
    Who has been running DCC for the last 10 years?

    10 years ago was 2008.

    2004 - 2009 Labour and FF were the 2 biggest party's.
    2009 - 2014 Labour and FG.
    2014 - now. SF and FF.


  • #231
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,448 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Point taken about who is running the councils. But it will make zero difference. They are all narrow minded nimby snakes !


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  • #232
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,138 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/were-taking-back-the-city-protesters-occupy-third-dublin-property-37296225.html


    What do these idiots think they are going to achieve?

    Private property rights are enshrined in the Constitution, and this type of thing will only encourage property owners not to rent out housing.


  • #233
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This is a step in the right direction. https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/housing-minister-plans-clampdown-on-short-term-lets-amid-housing-and-rental-crisis-862698.html


  • #234
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    FreudianSlippers wrote: »
    Sound-bite posting tbh, no logic to the theory that more building is part of the problem of housing shortage.

    More houses = fewer houses :confused:

    Using our money to finance private builds many can't afford in a housing crisis, for private profit making, is not working and a waste of tax payer money. Pretty clear.

    Dismissive fare as per. I cite fact then I give an opinion on it you don't like so you try dismiss the whole shebang by making up a view never posed. Tiresome. Kills discussion. That's the point no? Theres others better than yourself at that.


  • #235
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Good loser wrote: »
    Would you regard Leo and Eoghan as 'class enemies'?

    Just to help shorten your posts.

    I'd class them as a very bad deal for the taxpayer.
    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    10 years ago was 2008.

    2004 - 2009 Labour and FF were the 2 biggest party's.
    2009 - 2014 Labour and FG.
    2014 - now. SF and FF.

    Leo says 'No quick fix'. Mind a few more non FG politicians on local councils in recent years are supposed to be the problem.
    Not sure what magic money tree Eoghan and Leo were shaking for the money announced the other day. Seems they can find it when they want to alright.

    Seems another news item about tax breaks for landlords and a professor in the know telling them they are wrong not to build social housing are things we should be dismissing I suppose. Keep the tax waste going. Sure let's invite ten popes over begorrah ;)
    Be embarrassing when Leo Kowtows to Trump with the world watching. Sure he'll recant after he gets his pat on the head.

    What FG/FF are doing is making the housing crisis worse. The councils made up of numerous parties including FG play a role.


  • #236
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,138 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    I'd class them as a very bad deal for the taxpayer.



    Leo says 'No quick fix'. Mind a few more non FG politicians on local councils in recent years are supposed to be the problem.
    Not sure what magic money tree Eoghan and Leo were shaking for the money announced the other day. Seems they can find it when they want to alright.

    Seems another news item about tax breaks for landlords and a professor in the know telling them they are wrong not to build social housing are things we should be dismissing I suppose. Keep the tax waste going. Sure let's invite ten popes over begorrah ;)
    Be embarrassing when Leo Kowtows to Trump with the world watching. Sure he'll recant after he gets his pat on the head.

    What FG/FF are doing is making the housing crisis worse. The councils made up of numerous parties including FG play a role.


    Totally predictable that the only politicians you mention in your post are Leo and Eoghan, and totally predictable that you absolve all others from blame for the crisis, despite the quite interesting discussion that has taken place on these threads since your last identical contribution.


    Deleted User wrote: »
    This is a step in the right direction. https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/housing-minister-plans-clampdown-on-short-term-lets-amid-housing-and-rental-crisis-862698.html


    Interesting, my question is whether it will work.

    Rather than give it to the Councils to operate, and we know how useless DCC is, why don't they give it to Revenue. There is an incentive in terms of higher taxes if Revenue get involved.


  • #237
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    blanch152 wrote: »
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/were-taking-back-the-city-protesters-occupy-third-dublin-property-37296225.html


    What do these idiots think they are going to achieve?

    Private property rights are enshrined in the Constitution, and this type of thing will only encourage property owners not to rent out housing.

    I remember people citing this when FG were introducing the HHC and LPT.

    They were accused of being freemen or some other nonsense whenever anyone mentioned their private property and the constitution.

    Moving on.

    I see the health crisis is back in the headlines again.


  • #238
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,138 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    I remember people citing this when FG were introducing the HHC and LPT.

    They were accused of being freemen or some other nonsense whenever anyone mentioned their private property and the constitution.

    Moving on.

    I see the health crisis is back in the headlines again.

    And your point is?


  • #239
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    I remember people citing this when FG were introducing the HHC and LPT.

    They were accused of being freemen or some other nonsense whenever anyone mentioned their private property and the constitution.

    Moving on.

    I see the health crisis is back in the headlines again.
    The arguments were freeman nonsense; are you claiming that they weren't?


  • #240
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    FreudianSlippers wrote: »
    The arguments were freeman nonsense; are you claiming that they weren't?

    Too broad to specifically say, Just as branch's line about the constitution and private property is too vague to make any comparison.


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  • #241
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,138 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    Too broad to specifically say, Just as branch's line about the constitution and private property is too vague to make any comparison.

    But you were the poster who made a comparison

    :confused:

    Why did you raise the issue of comments from years ago if no comparison between the comments was possible?


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