When did you realise you weren’t really a young person anymore?

Hector Bellend · 04-09-2018 06:41PM

I had a phenomenally depressing thought recently.

I'm 41. Based on life expectancy, I'm closer to death than birth.

I wish I was 17 again. When I was a walking hard on. There were lots of girl I wanted to bang but was afraid to ask. I'd now ask every single one of them and not make excuses.

wally1990 · 04-09-2018 07:07PM

1- When I went to indie and the younger crowd there thought I was an undercover guard because of my age ?!? and also because we had a big tent and over heard them saying it

Also didn’t know anyone in the line up but went for the weekend anyway

2- Starting to get grey hairs so will need to dye the hair

3- When I’m in a pub and music is too loud and I just want to leave

4- painting the house at weekend / doing chores

5- looking forward to nights in rather than nights out because anything after 5/6 drinks has me dying the next day

6- taking out a pension and realizing it’s either smart or I’m just getting older

7- when my OH states im totally out of the fashion trend and I can’t get my head around what young guys are wearing these days

8- I don’t know any modern mainstream acts

I’m only 28:(

Verity. · 04-09-2018 07:30PM

fryup wrote: »

4fm is best for the oldies

Out of interest I just stuck it on to see what was playing, classic hits apparently. Ricky Martin singing Livin la Vida loca is now deemed a classic. What the hell is going on.

TheQuietFella · 04-09-2018 07:34PM

When I started looking more at the Mothers!

Comhrá · 04-09-2018 07:52PM

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pawdee · 04-09-2018 07:57PM

When I started listening to hip op.

harry Bailey esq · 05-09-2018 12:16AM

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

When I was able to leaf through a broadsheet newspaper tidily without it turning into some unfoldable mass of creases with half the pages falling out.

Lies!

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 05-09-2018 09:35AM

Alaric Slimy Joker wrote: »

At least half of that is absolute shíte, tbh, I read that and thought you were the guy arguing that chart music was always awful. Most people always stay fond of the shíte music from their teens, ain't mean it's good.

You really think people like Adele and Kendrick Lamar are going to just disappear from the radio and they'll still be playing Duran Duran in 2040 because it's just sooo much better?

My point was about enduring influence, which is difficult to dispute. Songs such as Queen's "I Want to Break Free," Phil Collins' "Against All Odds," Bob Marley's "One Love," Kenny Loggins "Footloose," and Lionel Richie's "Hello" are still played regularly on the radio and featured in TV shows and movies.

The most popular Christmas songs on Irish radio include Wham's "Last Christmas," Band Aid's "Do They Know it's Christmas?" (1984), Chris Rea's "Driving Home for Christmas" (1988), and "Fairytale of New York" (1988). All of them from the '80s.

I also often see Irish teenagers sporting Iron Maiden and AC/DC T-shirts, even though Angus Young is probably the same age as their grandfather. Why are they still listening to this music?

In 2052, 34 years from now, will people still be listening to the likes of Kendrick Lamar? I doubt it, personally.

PlaneSpeeking · 05-09-2018 09:43AM

Otto Hollow Chain wrote: »

My point was about enduring influence, which is difficult to dispute. Songs such as Queen's "I Want to Break Free," Phil Collins' "Against All Odds," Bob Marley's "One Love," Kenny Loggins "Footloose," and Lionel Richie's "Hello" are still played regularly on the radio and featured in TV shows and movies.

The most popular Christmas songs on Irish radio include Wham's "Last Christmas," Band Aid's "Do They Know it's Christmas?" (1984), Chris Rea's "Driving Home for Christmas" (1988), and "Fairytale of New York" (1988). All of them from the '80s.

I also often see Irish teenagers sporting Iron Maiden and AC/DC T-shirts, even though Angus Young is probably the same age as their grandfather. Why are they still listening to this music?

In 2052, 34 years from now, will people still be listening to the likes of Kendrick Lamar? I doubt it, personally.

Not in a million f**king years will they.

Duran Duran still playing in 2052 ? Absolutely.

Apiarist · 05-09-2018 10:03AM

bb12 wrote: »

Squinting to read the ingredients on packets in the supermarket, even with glasses on.

Actually reading the list of ingredients on a supermarket food packet.

Lambay island · 05-09-2018 10:13AM

I remember the first time a group of young fellas says "hey mister will you get us cans in the offie?" as both been a proud and sad moment.

RayCun · 05-09-2018 10:22AM

Otto Hollow Chain wrote: »

My point was about enduring influence, which is difficult to dispute. Songs such as Queen's "I Want to Break Free," Phil Collins' "Against All Odds," Bob Marley's "One Love," Kenny Loggins "Footloose," and Lionel Richie's "Hello" are still played regularly on the radio and featured in TV shows and movies.

Of course you think they're better, you grew up with them.

There is no holy list somewhere of "the best songs", and radio playlists and TV shows are drawn from that list. Radio stations play what the audience will listen to, and the audience for radio is old. TV shows and movies put in songs that their audience will be familiar with - it's a regular criticism of movies, they use familiar songs to evoke a feeling rather than things intrinsic to the movie - which is by definition older.

Equally, there is no holy list of "the best songs this week", and the chart = that list. The chart is the list of songs that people paid for in the last week. In 1984, if you wanted to listen to "Footloose", your choices were to wait for it to come up on the radio, tape it, or buy it. Today, if you want to listen to one of these songs, there are a thousand options that don't involve buying it, and those options don't feed into the charts.

And this greater availability of music (and movies, books...) means the scene is much more splintered. You can listen to music that isn't stocked in your local record store, and isn't played on your local radio station. You can buy books that were published 30 years ago as easy as books that were published this year.

PlaneSpeeking · 05-09-2018 10:44AM

RayCun wrote: »

Of course you think they're better, you grew up with them.

There is no holy list somewhere of "the best songs", and radio playlists and TV shows are drawn from that list. Radio stations play what the audience will listen to, and the audience for radio is old. TV shows and movies put in songs that their audience will be familiar with - it's a regular criticism of movies, they use familiar songs to evoke a feeling rather than things intrinsic to the movie - which is by definition older.

Equally, there is no holy list of "the best songs this week", and the chart = that list. The chart is the list of songs that people paid for in the last week. In 1984, if you wanted to listen to "Footloose", your choices were to wait for it to come up on the radio, tape it, or buy it. Today, if you want to listen to one of these songs, there are a thousand options that don't involve buying it, and those options don't feed into the charts.

And this greater availability of music (and movies, books...) means the scene is much more splintered. You can listen to music that isn't stocked in your local record store, and isn't played on your local radio station. You can buy books that were published 30 years ago as easy as books that were published this year.

Ten years ago this month, topping the charts were:

Katy Perry
Pussycat Dolls
Oasis
The Verve
Kings of Leon

I'd argue that Oasis have staying power but if you think we'll be listening to the rest in 30 years, you're mad.

Yet music from the late 70s, early 80s is on all the time. People actively seek it out on streaming services, MP3 players etc.

Hell, the Beatles, Stones, Beach Boys etc are still playing on radio regularly and we're talking after 60 years.

Some modern music is good (Adele can write and carry a tune - schmaltzy garbage a lot may be) but generally speaking most is uber processed manufactured image led crap.

RayCun · 05-09-2018 10:50AM

There's no way Katy Perry and Pussycat Dolls will be getting airplay in twenty years. Never going to happen.

Verity. wrote: »

Ricky Martin singing Livin la Vida loca is now deemed a classic.

....

PlaneSpeeking · 05-09-2018 10:52AM

RayCun wrote: »

There's no way Katy Perry and Pussycat Dolls will be getting airplay in twenty years. Never going to happen.

....

Scherzinger is still hot at 40 but at 50 ? I doubt it!!!

Livin La Vida Loca is a classic in the sense that Copacabana is - you know it's crap but it has a kind of "lame but good" quality to it!

Perry has 3 years left, tops.

kunst nugget · 05-09-2018 10:55AM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Ten years ago this month, topping the charts were:

Katy Perry
Pussycat Dolls
Oasis
The Verve
Kings of Leon

I'd argue that Oasis have staying power but if you think we'll be listening to the rest in 30 years, you're mad.

They'll all be listened to in the same way that Vox Nihilli's chart selection from 1984 will be played as oldies. Bittersweet Symphony, Sex on Fire, Don't Cha, Roar, Live Forever. Doesn't matter how shít you think any of those songs were, they were massive hits that will last just like the pap from Phil Collins and Kenny Loggins.

In the Aretha Franklin thread, there were people going on about what a legend the woman was and how great she was as a singer - that's indisputable - but I'd bet 95% of the people posting on that thread knew three songs by her at the most and 98% didn't own a single album of hers.

RayCun · 05-09-2018 11:02AM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

you know it's crap but it has a kind of "lame but good" quality to it!

which is exactly what people will say as they listen to Roar in twenty years.

Because Katy Perry will be what Ricky Martin is for you, something that triggers nostalgia

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 05-09-2018 11:05AM

Sure I go nuts now when music that I loathed the first time around comes on the radio, Britney Spears, Westlife, stuff like that, just because it brings back memories.

Hate to break it to people as well but I'd say this new fangled hippity hop might be more than a flash in the pan :pac:

PlaneSpeeking · 05-09-2018 11:12AM

Alaric Slimy Joker wrote: »

Sure I go nuts now when music that I loathed the first time around comes on the radio, Britney Spears, Westlife, stuff like that, just because it brings back memories.

Hate to break it to people as well but I'd say this new fangled hippity hop might be more than a flash in the pan :pac:

God I listened to Flying Without Wings this week and thought "that's not that bad".

Hello senility!!!!

Homesick Alien · 05-09-2018 11:12AM

When I started to genuinely look forward to "getting a few jobs done" at the weekend

Folkstonian · 05-09-2018 11:21AM

Back when I commuted to work by car in the U.K. and I realised my preferred radio station had changed from Capital or Kiss to BBC Radio 2. It dawned on me that I’d hit middle age ten years ahead of schedule

buswankers · 05-09-2018 11:25AM

Folkstonian wrote: »

Back when I commuted to work by car in the U.K. and I realised my preferred radio station had changed from Capital or Kiss to BBC Radio 2. It dawned on me that I’d hit middle age ten years ahead of schedule

This.
I find myself looking forward to the Matt Cooper show in the evenings on the way home from work & even listen back to it later then on the podcast - my younger siblings slag me at the radio stations I have on in my car - Newstalk & Today FM

Instead of Spin and iRadio

:o

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 05-09-2018 11:25AM

RayCun wrote: »

Of course you think they're better, you grew up with them.

Again, I didn't say that they're "better." I said that music from the '60s through '90s has remarkable enduring influence and staying power that music from the 2000s and 2010s seems unlikely to achieve.

Plenty of young people today are listening to, and flocking to concerts by, the likes of U2, AC/DC, Metallica, Guns 'n' Roses, Iron Maiden, etc.

When I was a kid in the '80s, young people weren't heading to see bands who were big in the '50s.

kunst nugget · 05-09-2018 11:31AM

Otto Hollow Chain wrote: »

Again, I didn't say that they're "better." I said that music from the '60s through '90s has remarkable enduring influence and staying power that music from the 2000s and 2010s seems unlikely to achieve.

Plenty of young people today are listening to, and flocking to concerts by, the likes of U2, AC/DC, Metallica, Guns 'n' Roses, Iron Maiden, etc.

When I was a kid in the '80s, young people weren't heading to see bands who were big in the '50s.

Let's be fair about it, those big stadium tours are the equivalent of oldies tours, usually attended by people nearing or in middle age, with a couple of quid now in their pockets, bringing their kids along to see the bands they loved as a teenager themselves. I bet less than a fifth of that crowd has bought an album from any of those acts that was released after 1995.

RayCun · 05-09-2018 11:43AM

Otto Hollow Chain wrote: »

Our music really was better.

Otto Hollow Chain wrote: »

Again, I didn't say that they're "better."

:pac:

Otto Hollow Chain wrote: »

Plenty of young people today are listening to, and flocking to concerts by, the likes of U2, AC/DC, Metallica, Guns 'n' Roses, Iron Maiden, etc.

That was my point about the availability of music (and books etc). And maybe a generational change, at some point adults decided to stop "growing up".

My parents didn't really expect to hear music for them on the radio. There were only a few stations, and they played chart music, which was for young people. Sure, you'd get older songs played in between the talking on RTE1, and golden oldie shows at certain times, but 2FM was for the kids.

Now there are more stations, and more ways to listen to music, and old people expect to have stations like Nova that play old people music all the time. (And movies and tv shows use that old people music to set a tone) Young people hear more 80's music than I heard 50's music. (My parents would still tell you that the 50's music was better of course. )

So there is some element of old bands finding a new audience. But there's also a large element of old bands playing to the same audience as they always did, but that audience now doesn't find it odd to pay 100 euro to see a bunch of people their age creaking around a stage. :pac:

Hector Bellend · 05-09-2018 11:47AM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Ten years ago this month, topping the charts were:

Katy Perry
Pussycat Dolls
Oasis
The Verve
Kings of Leon

I'd argue that Oasis have staying power but if you think we'll be listening to the rest in 30 years, you're mad.

Yet music from the late 70s, early 80s is on all the time. People actively seek it out on streaming services, MP3 players etc.

Hell, the Beatles, Stones, Beach Boys etc are still playing on radio regularly and we're talking after 60 years.

Some modern music is good (Adele can write and carry a tune - schmaltzy garbage a lot may be) but generally speaking most is uber processed manufactured image led crap.

Some of Adele's songs make me contemplate suicide.

Hector Bellend · 05-09-2018 11:50AM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Scherzinger is still hot at 40 but at 50 ? I doubt it!!!

Livin La Vida Loca is a classic in the sense that Copacabana is - you know it's crap but it has a kind of "lame but good" quality to it!

Perry has 3 years left, tops.

Or until her tits start going south involuntarily.

Whichever comes first

kunst nugget · 05-09-2018 11:57AM

Hector Bellend wrote: »

Or until her tits start going south involuntarily.

Whichever comes first

Classy…

kunst nugget · 05-09-2018 11:58AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Half of them probably bought them in Penneys and don't have a clue about the bands

The amount of teenage girls that I used to see wearing Ramones t-shirts a couple of years ago was unreal. I'd wager none of them had actually ever listened to them at all.

PlaneSpeeking · 05-09-2018 12:08PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Classy…

Fair point though.

When did you realise you weren’t really a young person anymore?

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