The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

Patww79 wrote: »

Half the league is a strong market to end up with not all that much.

https://twitter.com/GehlkenNFL/status/1036065916277018624

We got him for 2 first round picks, which itself is a steal. But then they decided they wanted our 3rd round pick so they gave us their 2nd. Then they wanted our 6th so they gave us a 5th.


There's no way a seasoned NFL exec with nearly 25 years experience made that trade. It's all Gruden.

Oat23 wrote: »

Show me anyone who seriously thinks that.

People shouting SUPERBOWL and posting superfan GIFs on twitter don't count. That's obviously a joke.

If anyone has their finger on the pulse of the people...

https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/1036118795629129728

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Bears get: Khalil Mack, a 2020 second-round round pick and a conditional 2020 fifth-round pick.

Raiders get: 2019 first-round pick, 2020 first-round pick, 2020 third-round pick, 2019 sixth-round pick.

Fantastic deal for the Bears.

If you asked every team in the league if they’d give up their last 2 first round picks for Mack, not many of them would say no.

Paully D wrote: »

Fantastic deal for the Bears.

If you asked every team in the league if they’d give up their last 2 first round picks for Mack, not many of them would say no.

In the last 30 years, Urlacher drafted 18 years ago is the only 1R pick we've made that is on the same level or even a level close to Mack. That's how bad we are in the first round

Oat23 wrote: »

Paully D wrote: »

Fantastic deal for the Bears.

If you asked every team in the league if they’d give up their last 2 first round picks for Mack, not many of them would say no.

In the last 30 years, Urlacher drafted 18 years ago is the only 1R pick we've made that is on the same level or even a level close to Mack. That's how bad we are in the first round

And actually if you add up the likely draft capital we gave up for him, mack cost less than our other starting edge rusher, Floyd. Costs more in cap, obviously, but you don't win games with a bunch of guys rescued from the bargain bin.

Now if trubisky doesn't work out we're in trouble, but that is no more true today than it was two days ago. We may not have the picks to replace him easily in that case, but they can't approach the future hedging against the QB, either it's worth taking a chance or it isn't. I'd rather take a shot at being a relevant team and fail, than be mediocre to bad again and hear about off season about being patient with the process and patient with the rebuild and patient with the system and patient with the HC and patient with the GM. that's only all me boll0cks to be honest. It may work or it may not, but it shows they're serious about winning. I'll never hold this decision against the team, ever.

And looking at the defense we have, and the coordinator in charge, I think we could be a serious headache for teams this year.

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Broncos have 22 who weren't on the roster last year - including 10 rookies.

They cut half of their 2017 draft class which isn't a great look especially when you add Lynch going when picked in the first round in 2016. You'd have to hope the drafting/UDFA pick ups of those 10 rookies is a bit better.

Foxtrol wrote: »

They cut half of their 2017 draft class which isn't a great look especially when you add Lynch going when picked in the first round in 2016. You'd have to hope the drafting/UDFA pick ups of those 10 rookies is a bit better.

Actually - the 2017 class is looking a bit better than it did last year -

5 are currently on the roster - Bolles, Walker, Butt, McKenzie and Kelly - and 2 are on the practice squad - Langley and Carlos Henderson.

De'Angelo Henderson signed with the Jets because in Denver he was behind a very good stable of RBs (and I like him and wished that Elway kept him).

All 8 draftees are still in the NFL in some capacity or another.

On top of that there are 2 UDFAs from 2017 on the roster - Dymonte Thomas and Wilkinson - and a third UDFA, Jamal Carter, who would have made the roster if he wasn't on IR, plus - Garcia-Williams - who is also on IR but would at least have been on the PS if fit.

Where Elway fell down in 2017 was reaching for raw guys with the two 3rd round picks - guys he could have got a lot later in the draft.

Peterman named Bills starter. Can’t blame them not throwing Allen in against the defenses they play to start.

Hopefully the Ravens D will have a lot of fun with Peterman in week one! :pac:

He should get extra danger money being sacrificed like that is cruel.

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Actually - the 2017 class is looking a bit better than it did last year -

5 are currently on the roster - Bolles, Walker, Butt, McKenzie and Kelly - and 2 are on the practice squad - Langley and Carlos Henderson.

De'Angelo Henderson signed with the Jets because in Denver he was behind a very good stable of RBs (and I like him and wished that Elway kept him).

All 8 draftees are still in the NFL in some capacity or another.

On top of that there are 2 UDFAs from 2017 on the roster - Dymonte Thomas and Wilkinson - and a third UDFA, Jamal Carter, who would have made the roster if he wasn't on IR, plus - Garcia-Williams - who is also on IR but would at least have been on the PS if fit.

Where Elway fell down in 2017 was reaching for raw guys with the two 3rd round picks - guys he could have got a lot later in the draft.

Cutting half the draft class has it looking a bit better than it did last year

I don't want to know how bad it must have looked at that stage if this is an improvement

Foxtrol wrote: »

Cutting half the draft class has it looking a bit better than it did last year

I don't want to know how bad it must have looked at that stage if this is an improvement

Half the draft class has not been cut - 8 players were drafted - 5 are on the Broncos roster. That is not the case with, for example, the Pats who drafted 4 and 2 (half) have been cut by the Pats. Of the 3 cut - Carlos Henderson spent last season on IR, failed to turn up to training camp because of 'personal issues' and has been suspended Week 1 for smoking dope. Langley should never have been on the roster last season - he has physical abilities but probably needs 2-3 seasons to understand how to play in the nfl - he is on the PS and we will see if he is any good next year. I like DeAngelo Henderson - but RB is a dispensable position in the NFL and, like I said, the Broncos have some, good young RBs. I wouldn't be surprised to see Henderson make some plays for the Jets this year.

As for improvement - 2 of the 2017 draft class, Butt and Kelly, spent the entire season on IR - Butt will play a role as a receiving TE (Butt was projected as one of the top TEs in the draft and a 2nd rounder or higher - before his injury) and could well be the starting TE. Kelly has already seen off Paxton Lynch and is improving every week.

Garett Bolles was a penalty machine last season - playing alongside Garcia who couldn't block a paper bag - he has improved in the off-season and will benefit significantly from playing alongside Ron Leary.

Isaiah McKenzie was a fumble machine returning punts last season - during pre-season he has shown capable of hanging onto the ball, including returning a punt 78 yds for a TD against the Vikings.

DeMarcus Walker was made lose weight to play OLB last season - it was a stupid decision and he was utterly ineffectual. He has put the weight back on and is now playing his true position at DE - and is proving disruptive on passing downs. He will be a contributor on the DL rotation.

So - Yes - a significant improvement for the 2017 draft class over last year.

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Half the draft class has not been cut - 8 players were drafted - 5 are on the Broncos roster. That is not the case with, for example, the Pats who drafted 4 and 2 (half) have been cut by the Pats. Of the 3 cut - Carlos Henderson spent last season on IR, failed to turn up to training camp because of 'personal issues' and has been suspended Week 1 for smoking dope. Langley should never have been on the roster last season - he has physical abilities but probably needs 2-3 seasons to understand how to play in the nfl - he is on the PS and we will see if he is any good next year. I like DeAngelo Henderson - but RB is a dispensable position in the NFL and, like I said, the Broncos have some, good young RBs. I wouldn't be surprised to see Henderson make some plays for the Jets this year.

As for improvement - 2 of the 2017 draft class, Butt and Kelly, spent the entire season on IR - Butt will play a role as a receiving TE (Butt was projected as one of the top TEs in the draft and a 2nd rounder or higher - before his injury) and could well be the starting TE. Kelly has already seen off Paxton Lynch and is improving every week.

Garett Bolles was a penalty machine last season - playing alongside Garcia who couldn't block a paper bag - he has improved in the off-season and will benefit significantly from playing alongside Ron Leary.

Isaiah McKenzie was a fumble machine returning punts last season - during pre-season he has shown capable of hanging onto the ball, including returning a punt 78 yds for a TD against the Vikings.

DeMarcus Walker was made lose weight to play OLB last season - it was a stupid decision and he was utterly ineffectual. He has put the weight back on and is now playing his true position at DE - and is proving disruptive on passing downs. He will be a contributor on the DL rotation.

So - Yes - a significant improvement for the 2017 draft class over last year.

They cut 4 of their 8 draft picks. Just because they re-signed McKenzie after he made through waivers or a guy made it to PS doesn't mean they weren't cut.

Big difference in a team who made it to the Super Bowl cutting half of their draft class and a team that ended up with the 5th pick that year.