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The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

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  • #272
    Oat23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,605 ✭✭✭✭Oat23


    Raiders released Martavis Bryant, who they traded a 3rd round pick for in April. He's facing another suspension.


    What a terrible day for Oakland fans.


  • #273
    jack presley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    Oat23 wrote: »
    Raiders released Martavis Bryant, who they traded a 3rd round pick for in April. He's facing another suspension.


    What a terrible day for Oakland fans.

    Not all bad, they traded for AJ McCarron......!!!!


  • #274
    adrian522
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    Jerick mcKinnon is likely headed for IR after going down with a non contact Knee injury in the last play of practice after being held out of preseason due to a calf strain.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000957617/article/niners-nervous-after-jerick-mckinnon-injures-knee


  • #275
    jack presley
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    Aaron Donald, now the second highest defensive player in the NFL

    https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1036011135483486211


  • #276
    raze_them_all_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,792 ✭✭✭raze_them_all_


    The **** is gruden doing


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  • #277
    phatkev
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭phatkev


    jack presley wrote: »
    Not all bad, they traded for AJ McCarron......!!!!

    All aboard the Josh Allen train....CHOO CHOO


  • #278
    phatkev
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭phatkev


    Mr. Guappa wrote: »
    Dan Bailey released by the Cowboys. One of the best in the league over recent seasons.

    I dont think the Jets currently have a kicker on the roster, could be a decent pickup


  • #279
    JaMarcus
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    I see Martavis Bryant was cut also. Busy day for Oakland.


  • #280
    phatkev
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    JaMarcus wrote: »
    I see Martavis Bryant was cut also. Busy day for Oakland.

    didnt they only recently give up a mid round pick for him?


  • #281
    JaMarcus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 828 ✭✭✭JaMarcus


    phatkev wrote: »
    didnt they only recently give up a mid round pick for him?

    Yup, 3rd round pick, never played a snap for them. Apparently he's about to be suspended for a drug offence yet again.


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  • #282
    brinty
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    Mr. Guappa wrote: »
    Dan Bailey released by the Cowboys. One of the best in the league over recent seasons.

    I along with every cowboys fan I know is stunned and does not understand the move at all.

    Dans numbers have been dropping but he’s Dan bailey. Second most accurate kicker in nfl history. It’s not about money we’d 14m in cap space already.there was no indication there was a contest going on.maher was considered a camp leg and even did some punting during camp so there were no flags to indicate this was ever happening.


  • #283
    Paully D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Raiders giving a coach stuck in 1924 the keys to the franchise and paying him a fortune, yet wouldn’t pay one of the best defensive players in the NFL.

    I said it months ago but the last few weeks have only strengthened my own thoughts - I don’t see how the Gruden experiment will end up being anything other than a nuclear disaster.

    Terrible free agency period, terrible draft, they’ve gotten older and slower everywhere on the field and they’ve now lost their best player.


  • #284
    OldMrBrennan83
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    As far as I can see he's clearing out trouble. They're not dead in the water yet.


  • #285
    the baby bull elephant
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    In fairness to Gruden the Raiders D has never been top 20 with Mack I believe. If they gave him that contract they'd have two players earning 20+ million a year. Mack is also 27.
    Mack is an amazing player but the narrative being put out is maybe a bit unfair on Gruden.


  • #286
    raze_them_all_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,792 ✭✭✭raze_them_all_


    the baby bull elephant wrote: »
    In fairness to Gruden the Raiders D has never been top 20 with Mack I believe. If they gave him that contract they'd have two players earning 20+ million a year. Mack is also 27.
    Mack is an amazing player but the narrative being put out is maybe a bit unfair on Gruden.

    The fact the coach didn't make contact with the defensive leader says enough


  • #287
    OldMrBrennan83
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    raze_them_all_ wrote: »
    The fact the coach didn't make contact with the defensive leader says enough

    The coach doesn't decide that he gets paid so what's the point?

    Was he going to come back for less money after an arm around the shoulder from Gruden? :D


  • #288
    raze_them_all_
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    Patww79 wrote: »
    The coach doesn't decide that he gets paid so what's the point?

    Was he going to come back for less money after an arm around the shoulder from Gruden? :D

    A check in as in hey looking forward to working with you hope you can work out a deal.

    Something plenty of players give hometown discounts. Ignoring him only helped the bears


  • #289
    OldMrBrennan83
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    raze_them_all_ wrote: »
    A check in as in hey looking forward to working with you hope you can work out a deal.

    Something plenty of players give hometown discounts. Ignoring him only helped the bears

    The Bears having the available money and being willing to pay up has helped the Bears.


  • #290
    Jolly Red Giant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,426 ✭✭✭Jolly Red Giant


    Bears get: Khalil Mack, a 2020 second-round round pick and a conditional 2020 fifth-round pick.

    Raiders get: 2019 first-round pick, 2020 first-round pick, 2020 third-round pick, 2019 sixth-round pick.


  • #291
    Jolly Red Giant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,426 ✭✭✭Jolly Red Giant


    Patww79 wrote: »
    The coach doesn't decide that he gets paid so what's the point?

    Was he going to come back for less money after an arm around the shoulder from Gruden? :D

    Within the Raiders Gruden has 100% control - McKenzie has to go to Gruden to get the okay on any contract.


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  • #292
    OldMrBrennan83
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    Jolly Red Giant wrote: »
    Within the Raiders Gruden has 100% control - McKenzie has to go to Gruden to get the okay on any contract.

    Even so, if he didn't think the player was worth what he was holding out for the what's the point? 99.99% of NFL players are mercenaries (don't blame them) so you can show him all the love but the agent is still going to want what they want.


  • #293
    Oat23
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    The Raiders not having the money is a myth.



    McKenzie was ready to sign Mack to an extension. He said it last season that he wanted to get it done this off-season. Everyone knew it would be a market-setter.



    Everything changed when Gruden joined and took control. He f*cked their cap signing veterans going downhill before a deal was done with their own, potential HOFer, defensive leader and never even bothered touching base with him over the past few months.


    Even after all that the Raiders could have signed him if they really wanted to. The NFL cap is very flexible.



    Gruden will destroy that team unless he somehow learned to draft talent during his gap-decade. If it was BB in NE that made this call I'd have a little faith, but what has Gruden ever done to prove he he can turn 2 picks and $20m cap into something useful?


  • #294
    Jolly Red Giant
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    Oat23 wrote: »
    Gruden will destroy that team unless he somehow learned to draft talent during his gap-decade. If it was BB in NE that made this call I'd have a little faith, but what has Gruden ever done to prove he he can turn 2 picks and $20m cap into something useful?

    The end result of the trade - given that the Raiders are likely to be significantly worse and the Bears a lot better - is that the Raiders will probably get a pick somewhere in the 15-20 range (20-25 if the Bears make the play-offs) in 2019 and will move up maybe 10-15 places from the 2nd into the 1st in 2020 (with the Bears getting the 2nd rounder).

    Not a massive return for one of the best defensive players in the NFL.


  • #295
    Billy86
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    There's a lot more than Khalil Mack that the Bears will need to be a playoff team in that division, to be honest. They'll be an interesting team to track this year, but I reckon they're still some way off.


  • #296
    Realt Dearg Sec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,143 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Billy86 wrote: »
    There's a lot more than Khalil Mack that the Bears will need to be a playoff team in that division, to be honest. They'll be an interesting team to track this year, but I reckon they're still some way off.
    Sure we'll see Sunday.


  • #297
    OldMrBrennan83
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    Billy86 wrote: »
    There's a lot more than Khalil Mack that the Bears will need to be a playoff team in that division, to be honest. They'll be an interesting team to track this year, but I reckon they're still some way off.

    It all depends on whether the QB is up to scratch which nobody knows yet. He could be great or he could be Rex Grossman but regardless they're all basically expecting the Lombardi to be handed over already.


  • #298
    Realt Dearg Sec
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    Patww79 wrote: »
    but regardless they're all basically expecting the Lombardi to be handed over already.
    What utter ****e talk.


  • #299
    Oat23
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    Patww79 wrote: »
    It all depends on whether the QB is up to scratch which nobody knows yet. He could be great or he could be Rex Grossman but regardless they're all basically expecting the Lombardi to be handed over already.

    Show me anyone who seriously thinks that.

    People shouting SUPERBOWL and posting superfan GIFs on twitter don't count. That's obviously a joke.


  • #300
    OldMrBrennan83
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    Half the league is a strong market to end up with not all that much.

    https://twitter.com/GehlkenNFL/status/1036065916277018624


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  • #301
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Patww79 wrote: »
    Half the league is a strong market to end up with not all that much.

    https://twitter.com/GehlkenNFL/status/1036065916277018624

    It would be malpractice to be a GM and not to at least contact the Raiders to see what they were looking for. Doesn't mean all the teams had the necessary cap space or willing to give up the picks.


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