Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

kub · 28-08-2018 10:37PM

So Cityjet are becoming sub contractors as such
How are they paid?
I mean are they paid a flat fee to operate the route or is it paid per pax ?

Van.Bosch · 28-08-2018 10:54PM

kub wrote: »

So Cityjet are becoming sub contractors as such
How are they paid?
I mean are they paid a flat fee to operate the route or is it paid per pax ?

Flat fee usually although for Stobart Air I think they pay EI a franchise fee.

Marcusm · 28-08-2018 11:28PM

Can’t see why anyone would choose WX/EI on this routeover BA unless the price difference was huge.

Locker10a · 29-08-2018 01:25AM

Marcusm wrote: »

Can’t see why anyone would choose WX/EI on this routeover BA unless the price difference was huge.

Same reason they choose EI vs BA to LHR, price, connecting traffic, frequent flyer status, corporate contracts etc each airline have a market they make work on their own, obviously they share a fair bit of the market but theyll both make it work, I’m sure EI haven’t signed up to this deal on a whim, they’ll have calculated if it’s worth it

goingnowhere · 29-08-2018 06:05AM

EI's product to LHR offers a much better customer experience, jet bridge boarding at both ends, better terminals, typically the nearest gates to the terminal and an on time record way better than BA. So there is a real selling point that.

No free food on BA anymore and BA will drop free food on LCY shortly

Cityjet really need to dump the RJ's and get the SSJ sorted out or get on to Airbus for a few A200 series

Mebuntu · 29-08-2018 09:16AM

goingnowhere wrote:

No free food on BA anymore and BA will drop free food on LCY shortly

Do you seriously believe that, just because food is handed out during a flight with no on-the-spot-payment by passengers, they're giving it away for free?

trellheim · 29-08-2018 09:53AM

EI's product to LHR offers a much better customer experience, jet bridge boarding at both ends, better terminals, typically the nearest gates to the terminal and an on time record way better than BA. So there is a real selling point that.

No free food on BA anymore and BA will drop free food on LCY shortly

Cityjet really need to dump the RJ's and get the SSJ sorted out or get on to Airbus for a few A200 series

1. Chuckle - yes but only if you want to get to LHR - for most of us working in the City LHR is useless albeit until Crossrail opens fully

2. The only reason BA will dump free food is because the only competitor will be themselves

3. Agree - can't just see why BA dont pull a few Embs of a route and paint them green. the product is horrendous otherwise.

JCX BXC · 29-08-2018 11:35AM

Mebuntu wrote: »

Do you seriously believe that, just because food is handed out during a flight with no on-the-spot-payment by passengers, they're giving it away for free?

Sure blah blah blah it's all worked into the fare price, but I'd bet on it that when the perks of free food and a check in bag are gone, fares won't drop.

Deatr · 29-08-2018 12:26PM

goingnowhere wrote: »

EI's product to LHR offers a much better customer experience, jet bridge boarding at both ends, better terminals, typically the nearest gates to the terminal and an on time record way better than BA. So there is a real selling point that.

No free food on BA anymore and BA will drop free food on LCY shortly

Cityjet really need to dump the RJ's and get the SSJ sorted out or get on to Airbus for a few A200 series

A220 too expensive and SSJ will never be certified for LCY

Deatr · 29-08-2018 12:33PM

goingnowhere wrote: »

EI's product to LHR offers a much better customer experience, jet bridge boarding at both ends, better terminals, typically the nearest gates to the terminal and an on time record way better than BA. So there is a real selling point that.

No free food on BA anymore and BA will drop free food on LCY shortly

Cityjet really need to dump the RJ's and get the SSJ sorted out or get on to Airbus for a few A200 series

A220 too expensive and SSJ will never be certified for LCY

trellheim · 29-08-2018 12:35PM

SSJ will never be certified for LCY

source ?

Deatr · 29-08-2018 12:37PM

trellheim wrote: »

source ?

Can’t reveal that I’m afraid.

Marcusm · 29-08-2018 01:19PM

Locker10a wrote: »

Same reason they choose EI vs BA to LHR, price, connecting traffic, frequent flyer status, corporate contracts etc each airline have a market they make work on their own, obviously they share a fair bit of the market but theyll both make it work, I’m sure EI haven’t signed up to this deal on a whim, they’ll have calculated if it’s worth it

I think that there’s a marked difference via a vis hard product on the LCY route. Unlike LHR where there is limited difference between the economy products (all that can be compared), there is a world of difference betweennBA’s e-jets andvgge RJs which will be branded EI. I agree that freq flyer status makes a difference (and look forward to earning tier points on EI flights) but I have to say I think the hard product would be worth a premium even on such a short flight. It’s an interesting move from an IAG group perspective. There would not likely have been any serious competitor who would have taken the route so I guess it must be significantly profitable. It might add some connectivity for EI transatlantic but this could have been achieved with BA too.

flange888 · 29-08-2018 02:23PM

I find it quite interesting in that Aer Lingus has pretty much developed an operation pretty similar to what they had via Aer Lingus Commuter back in the 90's albeit now through ACMI agreements

trellheim · 29-08-2018 03:00PM

It’s an interesting move from an IAG group perspective. There would not likely have been any serious competitor who would have taken the route so I guess it must be significantly profitable. It might add some connectivity for EI transatlantic but this could have been achieved with BA too.

Controlling both business air bridges means having control of that customer segment

California Dreamer · 29-08-2018 04:52PM

Deatr wrote: »

Can’t reveal that I’m afraid.

Code for talking out my arse!!!

LeakRate · 29-08-2018 05:32PM

The Sukhoi's will be gone by early next year at the end of the Brussels Airlines contract. They've been a disaster reliability wise, and from a technical support point.
The A/C is not steep approach capable, and from what I believe, its not a simple software issue etc, its actually the wing structure, and a whole redesign is required. Cityjet have it over 2 years now, if it could land in City, it would have been certified by now. It was well worth the punt at taking them, practically free from whats been heard. But looks like the RJ will be around for at least 4 years yet:o

Deatr · 29-08-2018 05:32PM

California Dreamer wrote: »

Code for talking out my arse!!!

I wish I was. I believe one of the individuals that thanked you for your comment about my arse are closer to the truth in relation to the SSJ. Either way this is a thread about the EI fleet and not the WX one.

29-08-2018 05:54PM

California Dreamer wrote: »

Code for talking out my arse!!!

Why ? Frankly that’s quite rude. Considering many on here share information that is possibly confidential and certainly sensitive to them and their job or indeed their sources job. Not everyone is going to lay out everything just for your satisfaction. If people want to continually question people about their sources the information is going to dry up and boards and us will be worse off as a result.

I speak from personal experience.

vectorvictor · 29-08-2018 06:29PM

California Dreamer wrote: »

Code for talking out my arse!!!

He's right on this SSJs will never grace the docks. WX want rid.

Tenger · 29-08-2018 07:28PM

LeakRate wrote: »

......... Cityjet have it over 2 years now, if it could land in City, it would have been certified by now. It was well worth the punt at taking them, practically free from whats been heard. But looks like the RJ will be around for at least 4 years yet:o

This would be my point of view. No way that Cityjet wouldnt have conducted some trials at this point if it was going to happen.

As for querying a source, well we have a few ppl here who do hear things from inside the industry before it becomes public. If you're going to insult posters with credible info then you dont really belong here. The members will often question info that seems unlikely or implausible, but downright rudeness will not be welcome.

California Dreamer · 29-08-2018 08:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Why ? Frankly that’s quite rude. Considering many on here share information that is possibly confidential and certainly sensitive to them and their job or indeed their sources job. Not everyone is going to lay out everything just for your satisfaction. If people want to continually question people about their sources the information is going to dry up and boards and us will be worse off as a result.

I speak from personal experience.

Yet it is ok for just anyone to lay out a story and carry it off as fact and not back it up. Too many times I have seen this and it just taken as 'oh i can't say' like they hold the tickets to the chocolate factory.

john boye · 29-08-2018 08:43PM

Tbf even though it may have been a bit smart-arsed there does seem to be a general acceptance now (much like the EI A350s mystery) that the WX SSJs will never operate to LCY.

California Dreamer · 29-08-2018 08:45PM

john boye wrote: »

Tbf even though it may have been a bit smart-arsed there does seem to be a general acceptance now (much like the EI A350s mystery) that the WX SSJs will never operate to LCY.

That is certainly worth an acknowledgement.

Deatr · 29-08-2018 08:52PM

California Dreamer wrote: »

Yet it is ok for just anyone to lay out a story and carry it off as fact and not back it up. Too many times I have seen this and it just taken as 'oh i can't say' like they hold the tickets to the chocolate factory.

I very very rarely post anything here but I do work in the industry and I’m close to this. It’s got nothing to do with holding the tickets to the chocolate factory but a lot to do with protecting myself and my career. While I appreciate where you’re coming from I don’t appreciate being told that I’m speaking out of my arse from someone that doesn’t know me nor I them. I’ll refrain from commenting on anything in the future I think and just remain a lurker. Apologies to the mods for the off topic post.

jesus_thats_gre · 29-08-2018 09:51PM

goingnowhere wrote: »

EI's product to LHR offers a much better customer experience, jet bridge boarding at both ends, better terminals, typically the nearest gates to the terminal and an on time record way better than BA. So there is a real selling point that.

Largely agree on all fronts. I dislike the trek to the Heathrow Express but I suspect it isn't much of difference when you factor in the typical arrival gate in T5 with BA.

If only the Aer Club **** was sorted.

Chris_5339762 · 29-08-2018 10:07PM

Five minutes from plane door to DLR, thats the benefit to LCY. (Included a pee break).

Whilst I'll miss the free snack which was nice, I'm happy with this as it makes my search for London flights one webpage instead of back & forth between Cityjet and AL.

Tenger · 30-08-2018 05:09PM

California Dreamer wrote: »

Yet it is ok for just anyone to lay out a story and carry it off as fact and not back it up. Too many times I have seen this and it just taken as 'oh i can't say' like they hold the tickets to the chocolate factory.

The issue wasnt questioning the veracity of the source but your childish response.
You could have been mature about it and stated that you disagree and wont believe the info until you get an official source. Nothing wrong with that response. Posters have given incorrect info before on this forum, its not a banning offence. In the same vein we have had posters in the past having opposing info from 'insider sources', obviously someone in those cases ended up posting the wrong info with good intentions.
You can disagree with someone without being disagreeable....to quote John McCain

Tenger · 30-08-2018 05:12PM

Lapmo_Dancer wrote: »

In all seriousness, I was talking to a pal in EI and Montreal and Minneapolis have been added as online destinations on their staff travel portal.

Rumour is 2 more 330s for next summer. If true, the expectation is that YUL will get PHL’s 757 with PHL becoming an A330 destination. And MSP (non daily) getting the second along with increased frequency to an existing destination.
......

My own mates in EI have mentioned all the cities mentioned about (except Vegas or Portland OR)
Montreal seems a front runner. However my memory of EI is that rumours are rampant and often wrong.

They do tell me that Seattle is doing very well so expect daily flights next Summer. That would require another A330. If DUB PHL is upgauged then there's another needed. That frees a B757 for Montreal (or anywhere else!). Still short an airframe to start a 2nd new route. (Im sure the EI fleet staff have figured that out though!)

And it seems that the A321LRs are not going to be in time for Summer.
Can EI refuse to accept delivery of them if they are due to arrive in Winter? Or would delay clauses cover any compensation or required delivery?

30-08-2018 05:40PM

Tenger wrote: »

My own mates in EI have mentioned all the cities mentioned about (except Vegas or Portland OR)
Montreal seems a front runner. However my memory of EI is that rumours are rampant and often wrong.

They do tell me that Seattle is doing very well so expect daily flights next Summer. That would require another A330. If DUB PHL is upgauged then there's another needed. That frees a B757 for Montreal (or anywhere else!). Still short an airframe to start a 2nd new route. (Im sure the EI fleet staff have figured that out though!)

And it seems that the A321LRs are not going to be in time for Summer.
Can EI refuse to accept delivery of them if they are due to arrive in Winter? Or would delay clauses cover any compensation or required delivery?

The rumour mill has Montreal being a 757 route. The rumour mill also mentioned that Seattle is pretty much stuffed on every flight as well so I’d expect daily too.

Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

Comments