Is done deal a no No for buying a fog

whitesheep · 22-08-2018 12:34PM #1

Ok so I've done a lot of research and I've finally decided what dog I want.
I've contacted the club and there is no registered owners have dogs for sale. Is it a case of just waiting it out?
There's lots on done deal saying they are IKC registered should I walk a mile?
There's others who have registered done deal account for years are they likely to be genuine.
I just don't want to buy a dog that has been treated poorly.
If it means waiting 6 months I will but I'm wondering is it necessary?
Any other tips?
Thanks Karen

endacl · 22-08-2018 12:35PM

Haven’t the foggiest.

alroley · 22-08-2018 12:39PM

I have seen a few reputable breeders advertise on donedeal, but the vast majority are not reputable. A pup being IKC registered means nothing. The breeder should be actively showing their dogs and dogs should have all relevant health testing done.

If the breed club says none right now, you need to wait.

tfitzgerald · 22-08-2018 12:41PM

They have some lovely dogs in the rescue centres. Look at them online. Any animal welfare groups would have done lovely dogs

....... · 22-08-2018 12:41PM

Never buy a dog off Done Deal - its riddled with puppy mill dogs.

But on that note - dont BUY a dog. Rescue a dog. Rehome a dog.

whitesheep · 22-08-2018 01:04PM

....... wrote: »

Never buy a dog off Done Deal - its riddled with puppy mill dogs.

But on that note - dont BUY a dog. Rescue a dog. Rehome a dog.

Thanks but I can't get a rescue dog because I don't have a fenced in garden. I live on 30 acres. Dog will be free to run around those but is secure from the road. I've had dogs before and it's never been a problem

SillyMangoX · 22-08-2018 01:24PM

Is it one specific breed you're looking for OP? Some people on here may know of reputable breeders. If you're looking for a specific breed from a reputable breeder, be prepared to wait, or to travel. Some may have long waiting lists!

Andy Magic · 22-08-2018 01:28PM

I got my two dogs through a seller on donedeal who was IKC registered and recommended to me by them, it was a good/positive experience.

Out of interest what breed are you looking for?

screamer · 22-08-2018 01:29PM

It's all well and good saying take a rescue dog..Some of them are head the balls and if it's a certain breed you're looking for then you likely wont find it in a pound, which is full of cross breeds.

DD has chancers too someone I know bought a pure breed owner said they'd register it for extra she paid and soon as pup was bought owner couldn't be contacted by phone or any other means. Kk has never heard of him.....

So just be careful insist on seeing pups at sellers home.

Knine · 22-08-2018 01:31PM

As someone who is absolutely inundated with puppy requests at the moment, I can tell you that sometimes you just have to have patience, keep in touch with the Club Rep & remember that we also have often busy lives to live. I can also say that anyone Reputable & with decent quality pups won't have to advertise on DD.

Now that is not to say that you can't get a decent pup there. You can but you need an awful lot of experience in the dog world to do this. It is also a puppy farm paradise. The reason we have so many puppy farms in Ireland is that they have a market.

You would be surprised how often people think we are like Tesco's where you can just supply a puppy on demand.

Akrasia · 22-08-2018 01:42PM

Be really careful buying puppies on done deal, definitely visit the home of whoever is selling the puppies, see the parents or at least the mother, and where the puppies had been sleeping and kept during the day. Interact with them, see how they behave, do they have toys or things to stimulate them and play with, check them for fleas etc.

We have a Pomeranian who my wife saw advertised on done deal. He is a lovely dog now, really gentle and loyal but when he was a puppy he must have been mistreated because he is very anxious around other dogs and things like sweeping brushes and people he doesn't know and he never plays with balls or toys.

My wife knew that the place she was buying him from wasn't great, but she felt sorry as he was the last puppy in the litter and was getting a bit older and she was worried what would happen to him. She refused to pay the price the guy was looking for but covered the cost of his microchip and vaccinations.

We have bought other dogs from done deal who have been extremely well cared for and turned out to be lovely pets.

whitesheep · 22-08-2018 03:02PM

We are looking for a caviler king Charles. They are safe with children being my primary reason.

seamus · 22-08-2018 03:12PM

The King Charles breed is in rag order, you really need to do your homework and talk to a dedicated KC breeder to get a healthy pup. You can expect to pay the bulk of €1,000 for one.

If you go on done deal the dog you get will likely be very unhealthy due to generations of inbreeding, and suffer from physical and mental disabilities as well as life-limiting illnesses. You won't be rescuing a sick dog, you'll be encouraging that puppy farm to keep breeding sick dogs.

If you're absolutely set on a KC and won't rescue one, I suggest you get in touch with their national club to find yourself a proper breeder. http://www.irishcavalierclub.com/

Knine · 22-08-2018 03:17PM

whitesheep wrote: »

We are looking for a caviler king Charles. They are safe with children being my primary reason.

You definitely to be very careful where you get this breed so you are better off waiting on a Reputable Breeder who health tests the parents & who has the clear eye/heart/ brain Certs to prove it. They are one of the most popular puppy farm dogs.

BTW no dog breed is 100% safe. You need to supervise & make sure the Breeder is reputable & has well socialised puppies. There are lots of other breeds who are also fantastic with children. I know personally in my house one of these dogs would not be a good fit as we are a fairly active family & we prefer longer lived breeds. So make sure you have done plenty of research.

em_cat · 22-08-2018 03:23PM

OP, your going to get a lot of anecdotal info, meaning personal opinions based on personal experience, but the reality is buying an animal from DD or GT is the same as buying from a third party ie someone who has bought or stolen, and then is selling on. It is an avenue for impulse pet shopping, nothing more and if you truly care about the welfare of your future pet, working or show dog, then you will be prepared to wait.

Also not all rescues require a fenced garden.

cruizer101 · 22-08-2018 03:31PM

alroley wrote: »

IThe breeder should be actively showing their dogs

What relevance is it if they are showing their dogs or not?

em_cat · 22-08-2018 03:50PM

whitesheep wrote: »

We are looking for a caviler king Charles. They are safe with children being my primary reason.

Please please do not impulse buy a K Cav especially without proof of the relavent health tests, the K Cav is one of the breeds that suffers genetically from DCM, something like a 50/50 chance that develops it. It generally shows up post 2 years so although not something than can be tested like PRA or other diseases, it is something that can be qualified by parentage. This is not something a DD or GT seller will care about.

No one can guarantee that one breed vs another is better with children. That is dependant on how it reared and how you as a parent teach your children. I don’t mean to sound patronising, I just come across so many children who have no idea how to behave around dogs.

Knine · 22-08-2018 03:53PM

cruizer101 wrote: »

What relevance is it if they are showing their dogs or not?

While it is not essential by any means, most people involved in the Breed Clubs do actually show or at least have an interest in their breeds welfare. They are also more likely to be up to date on the latest health tests for the particular breed. This is also relevant to the non show people who work or compete with their dogs in other disciplines.

Breed Club Reps also do a huge amount of work behind the scenes for their chosen breed. I say this as someone who is heavily involved in several Clubs.

Andy Magic · 22-08-2018 04:43PM

I would recommend checking dog show entry's website for upcoming shows where King Charles are going to be shown and approach the breed at the show. Best of luck and don't mind all the negative comments on here. Taking on a dog from the shelter isn't for everyone.

em_cat · 22-08-2018 06:39PM

Andy Magic wrote: »

I would recommend checking dog show entry's website for upcoming shows where King Charles are going to be shown and approach the breed at the show. Best of luck and don't mind all the negative comments on here. Taking on a dog from the shelter isn't for everyone.

No one is saying not to buy from a reputable breeder and you are giving some valuable advice going such as going to shows to speak to breeders.

However there is no denying that FB, IG, DD & GT have contributed to an increased demand of impulse buying of certain types of breeds or designer breeds & that these outlets are simply nothing more than an avenue of suppliers for such.

However not every dog from a rescue or shelter is any less than perfect for someone.

kylith · 22-08-2018 07:16PM

seamus wrote: »

The King Charles breed is in rag order, you really need to do your homework and talk to a dedicated KC breeder to get a healthy pup. You can expect to pay the bulk of €1,000 for one.

If you go on done deal the dog you get will likely be very unhealthy due to generations of inbreeding, and suffer from physical and mental disabilities as well as life-limiting illnesses. You won't be rescuing a sick dog, you'll be encouraging that puppy farm to keep breeding sick dogs.

If you're absolutely set on a KC and won't rescue one, I suggest you get in touch with their national club to find yourself a proper breeder. http://www.irishcavalierclub.com/

A vet nurse of my acquaintance once told me that by age 4 about 50% of Cavs have heart problems. By age 8 about 90% do.

Cavs are a breed that, like pugs, I would only entertain getting if I had a big pile of money that I wanted to get rid of.

Fakediamond · 22-08-2018 08:05PM

KC are a delicate breed and not so much a dog for running around with the kids. I would have thought most dogs are kid friendly if they’re socialised with them from puppyhood. Because KC suffer so many illnesses, they can be cranky around kids, or adults!

I know I’m biased, but most terriers are great craic and love being with kids and playing with them. Mongrel terriers are generally healthy too!

kylith · 22-08-2018 08:30PM

Fakediamond wrote: »

KC are a delicate breed and not so much a dog for running around with the kids. I would have thought most dogs are kid friendly if they’re socialised with them from puppyhood. Because KC suffer so many illnesses, they can be cranky around kids, or adults!

I know I’m biased, but most terriers are great craic and love being with kids and playing with them. Mongrel terriers are generally healthy too!

I would disagree with this. I grew up with a terrier and have had others since and I would not recommend them with children. IME terriers don't have much patience and aren't shy about showing when they've had enough.

Knine · 22-08-2018 09:10PM

That depends on the terrier, mine are fantastic & although biased much more fun & playful then many toy breeds right into old age which for many is to their late teens. They also won't tire too easy. Lots of my friends who show terriers also have young children. While some specific terrier breeds don't do well with children, there are many that make great pets. Don't tar them all with the same brush.

beertons · 22-08-2018 09:15PM

We got our king charles from Nearsea's in Wexford. She really does a good job on the pups, they are all mri'd before they leave her house, full line of history goes with the pup too. We will probably go back there again when our nearly 8 year old goes to doggie heaven.

seamus · 23-08-2018 09:43AM

kylith wrote: »

I would disagree with this. I grew up with a terrier and have had others since and I would not recommend them with children. IME terriers don't have much patience and aren't shy about showing when they've had enough.

Like all dogs, it does depend. My parents got two brother JRT's.

One is excitable as you like, jumps up and down on everyone, is really easy to wind up into a play fight, and when he gets really excited his licking turns to nipping unintentionally. Good fun, but no use around the younger kids. He loves the kids, but he's too boisterous.

His brother is the polar opposite, really chilled out, lazy beast. Always happy to see you, but straight onto his back for belly rubs, no jumping or licking or nipping. Impossible to wind up, he just walks away from you if he's annoyed. So really safe, bombproof in fact, around the younger kids, but he actually doesn't like them. He gets obviously uncomfortable when the small ones approach him and will usually prefer to go sleep in his cage with the door closed, or one of the bedrooms when we land down with our brood.

As a rule, I would tend to agree with you; smaller dogs are more easily scared or hurt by children, so more chance for conflict. Whereas something big like a St Bernard would barely even feel a child falling over and landing on them.

cocker5 · 23-08-2018 03:44PM

whitesheep wrote: »

We are looking for a caviler king Charles. They are safe with children being my primary reason.

Safe with kids? There is no specific breed safe with kids .. any dog can be safe with kids given proper socialization etc

Captain Flaps · 23-08-2018 03:49PM

Our mongrel terrier who is terribly dog anxious/aggressive will let my 2 year old nephew pull food, treats and toys out of his mouth without getting upset, instead backing off and waiting for it to be tossed back - and he otherwise has no manners. Any breed can be socialised with kids. Staffies and other fighting dogs are among the most child friendly is taken care of properly.

em_cat · 23-08-2018 06:46PM

I just had a browse on DD for K Cavs and as sorry as I feel for the poor pups being peddled like chattel it’s evident that none are being sold by reputable breeders. The price alone reflects this.

ShaShaBear · 29-08-2018 11:08AM

Personally, if it's your first time housing a dog together with your kids, I would stay all kinds of away from a pup. That's a disaster waiting to happen when the nipping rolls in. As well as that, I'd be avoiding any and all dogs that are small - all dogs can be great with kids, but generally the problem is actually the children and their rough attitude with the dogs.

I would stay away from tiny breeds, working dogs (collies, labs, GSDs, spaniels) and most terriers.

Choc Chip · 29-08-2018 06:40PM

Knine wrote: »

That depends on the terrier

I was thinking about this a bit and thought I'd reply since this was bounced today. I've the same type of terrier as knine and while i only have one and she breeds them, mine is almost built for kids (non-shed, easy temperament and tough skin) which I've heard is typical of the breed. I'm just delighted they're not white or they'd probably be puppy-farmed put of recognition.

I also agree with shashabear though. Mine is 5 and i know he's bombproof with kids. My gsd x is not good (She's nervous of them) and our current collie x foster is grand. None are type-typical and if I had kids I'd be far happier getting an older dog that i knew was good with kids. Erm... from a rescue. Not done deal.

Is done deal a no No for buying a fog

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