Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

26-08-2018 09:57PM

The Grosjean/Alonso one was probably worse and no halo necessary.

El_Duderino 09 · 26-08-2018 10:02PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The Grosjean/Alonso one was probably worse and no halo necessary.

So what’s the verdict then?

elperello · 26-08-2018 10:17PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

So what’s the verdict then?

After today it's here to stay.

flazio · 26-08-2018 10:18PM

I think it's doing its job. I don't think Alonso would have crushed LeClercs head without the Halo but I do think there was potential for a Head injury that would have put Charles out of Monza.

26-08-2018 10:22PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

So what’s the verdict then?

Well we don't know if it made a difference.

Charlie-Bravo · 26-08-2018 10:39PM

I've watched a few replays. I do think the halo kept Alonso further away from LeClerc's head, but the under tray skimming across the roll hoop would have protected him reasonably. This would be similar to the grosjean 2012 incident.

My fear would be if a wheel came across the driver's head and that would have the force and angle for a serious injury. There used to be a reliance on just the roll hoop, now we have both it and the halo.

skipper_G · 26-08-2018 10:45PM

My mind was made up on halo after the F2 race in Spain earlier this year. It almost certainly saved tadasuke makino from serious injury or worse. The exact circumstance described above of a wheel heading for the cockpit at the angle to strike the drivers helmet. No matter how ugly it has to stay

El_Duderino 09 · 27-08-2018 12:06AM

Deleted User wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

So what’s the verdict then?

Well we don't know if it made a difference.

All we have is the evidence that between the under tray and the stray tyre, it probably did.

Jordan 199 · 27-08-2018 03:04AM

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flazio · 27-08-2018 10:07AM

Google long range forecast says 50% chance of showers Saturday, dry Sunday in Milan which is 20 km from Monza.

Adamocovic · 27-08-2018 10:13AM

May have been mentioned but it seems one team in particular are out for the new Force India.

They talked about how Force India wouldn't be sent to the back of the pitlane since they have their pits decked out with everything for each race and it would require a lot of changes.

Sky reported every team bar one had objected against this. Haas. They are a big rival to Force India but were arguing the team should be treated as a new team and face the problems or obstacles Haas had to face joining.

Adamocovic · 27-08-2018 10:14AM

Also on the race.

Lewis was upset about the Ferrari having much more speed being able to ghost by him, but they did clear up on Sky that most of that speed came from the slipstream.

Horner had a dig at Lewis saying he was about to get his violin out for him.

flazio · 27-08-2018 10:16AM

I mentioned in the race thread that had FI kept their points, they'd be 1 point behind Haas today.
However I fear the introduction of Lance Stroll to the team will start to drag the team back. I wish there was a way to convince Lawrance that Lance will end up costing the team prize money.

Adamocovic · 27-08-2018 10:22AM

flazio wrote: »

I mentioned in the race thread that had FI kept their points, they'd be 1 point behind Haas today.
However I fear the introduction of Lance Stroll to the team will start to drag the team back. I wish there was a way to convince Lawrance that Lance will end up costing the team prize money.

I wonder where Ocon will go.
Such a good racer with natural ability. He needs to get a seat somewhere.
Stroll may be younger but I rate Ocon much higher, could prove me wrong yet though!

Harika · 27-08-2018 10:23AM

Adamocovic wrote: »

I wonder where Ocon will go.
Such a good racer with natural ability. He needs to get a seat somewhere.
Stroll may be younger but I rate Ocon much higher, could prove me wrong yet though!

Birds are singing McLaren to take Vandoornes place who will reunite with Vasseur at Sauber.

Adamocovic · 27-08-2018 10:29AM

Harika wrote: »

Birds are singing McLaren to take Vandoornes place who will reunite with Vasseur at Sauber.

McLaren was mentioned during the race and I thought it was an option, though I feel bad for him dropping to a lesser level team, but a comment was made about his height. Apparently, as odd as is, McLaren have some concern about their chassis and his height. He is the tallest driver on the grid I think.

Ocon: 1.86m
Alonso: 1.71m
Vandoorne: 1.77m

It was met with laughs when first said but they cleared it up that it was a serious concern. Hopefully it doesn't factor into it.

Harika · 27-08-2018 10:40AM

Adamocovic wrote: »

McLaren was mentioned during the race and I thought it was an option, though I feel bad for him dropping to a lesser level team, but a comment was made about his height. Apparently, as odd as is, McLaren have some concern about their chassis and his height. He is the tallest driver on the grid I think.

Ocon: 1.86m
Alonso: 1.71m
Vandoorne: 1.77m

It was met with laughs when first said but they cleared it up that it was a serious concern. Hopefully it doesn't factor into it.

Hulkenberg is fighting with the same issue 1.84m, that's why it was said he is second choice for the top teams. Same as Alex Wurz with 1.86m.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 27-08-2018 11:07AM

Mclaren have historically had issues with the cockpit and drivers.

Wurz: Height
Ocon: height
Mansell: width

How Coulthard at 1.82 never had the issue god knows.

I think Mark Webber might have had issues earlier in his career at 1.84m

The late Justin Wilson definitely did at 1.93m

BikeRacer · 27-08-2018 11:35AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Well we don't know if it made a difference.

I wasn't sure if it would have either until i saw it from this angle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=tC6ZcYfH7FQ

Inviere · 27-08-2018 11:37AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Well we don't know if it made a difference.

By the very fact the Halo got damaged/badly marked, we can safely say that it prevented a flying F1 car getting uncomfortably close to a drivers head. For that reason alone, it's staying, and is worth having.

Harika · 27-08-2018 11:50AM

https://twitter.com/F1/status/1034015162640945158

Didn't know they had cameras there.

steinbock123 · 27-08-2018 02:16PM

I was watching the race and started to wonder. For quite some time there has been a debate about the aero package on the current cars, particularly about the complicated multi-planed front wings. These are supposed to be one of the main reasons why overtaking is supposedly so difficult currently. Drivers say , that because of the aerodynamics that it is impossible to follow another car closely and it destabilizes the following car due to it losing most of its downforce, thus making overtaking super difficult.
Yet at Spa, it seems to be no problem for a car to follow another tightly all the way from La Source down the hill and through Eau Rouge and up past Radillon and all the way up the Kemmel straight before pulling out of the slipstream and overtaking. The Eau Rouge/Radillon complex being supposedly one of the most difficult cornering challenges on the current circuits. Although I believe Eau Rouge can be taken flat these days, as the cars have so much downforce, I still don't understand how a car following is seemingly not aerodynamically compromised at all in this section of this track, yet is compromised at other tracks. Or am I missing something ??

flexcon · 27-08-2018 04:44PM

steinbock123 wrote: »

I was watching the race and started to wonder. For quite some time there has been a debate about the aero package on the current cars, particularly about the complicated multi-planed front wings. These are supposed to be one of the main reasons why overtaking is supposedly so difficult currently. Drivers say , that because of the aerodynamics that it is impossible to follow another car closely and it destabilizes the following car due to it losing most of its downforce, thus making overtaking super difficult.
Yet at Spa, it seems to be no problem for a car to follow another tightly all the way from La Source down the hill and through Eau Rouge and up past Radillon and all the way up the Kemmel straight before pulling out of the slipstream and overtaking. The Eau Rouge/Radillon complex being supposedly one of the most difficult cornering challenges on the current circuits. Although I believe Eau Rouge can be taken flat these days, as the cars have so much downforce, I still don't understand how a car following is seemingly not aerodynamically compromised at all in this section of this track, yet is compromised at other tracks. Or am I missing something ??

Great observation.

I believe in this case, the track is wide open either side of Eau Rouge amongst other parts of the track. this allows mistakes, and running wide.

Looking at some footage, if a car is very close behind heading up Eau Rouge, just as it peaks at the top of the hill, the car behind does hit the kerbs harder with understeer. However, thanks to the reduced drag from the car infront, the end result is still faster. I'll try and get some on board footage to show this.

Conversely, if it was all grass either side, you probably would find less willingless to dog the car into the corner unsteady as there is such a penalty for getting it wrong.

vectra · 27-08-2018 05:28PM

steinbock123 wrote: »

I believe Eau Rouge can be taken flat these days, as the cars have so much downforce,

Kimi can do that since his McLaren days.
It was known as bravery back then

Cool_CM · 27-08-2018 07:15PM

vectra wrote: »

Kimi can do that since his McLaren days.
It was known as bravery back then

Vileneuve and Zonta tried too, back when it was known as stupidity!

https://wtf1.com/post/villeneuve-zonta-spa-99/

flazio · 27-08-2018 07:46PM

Just a reminder, there's a classic F1 Speed with Guy Martin, tonight at 9 on Channel 4.

chicorytip · 28-08-2018 01:05PM

Harika wrote:

Hulkenberg is fighting with the same issue 1.84m, that's why it was said he is second choice for the top teams. Same as Alex Wurz with 1.86m.

I don't understand why taller drivers should be discriminated against in this manner. All that's required is moving the pedals forward. This is apparently very easy to do as when Williams had to replace Massa with the much taller Di Resta for one race last season - at very short notice.

Harika · 28-08-2018 01:07PM

chicorytip wrote: »

I don't understand why taller drivers should be discriminated against in this manner. All that's required is moving the pedals forward. This is apparently very easy to do as when Williams had to replace Massa with the much taller Di Resta for one race last season - at very short notice.

Taller drivers tend to have their heads also higher, and as those cockpits are as small as possible designed every cm more hurts the aerodynamics. Additionally tall drivers carry more weight than their smaller colleagues what is a distinct disadvantage.

Ghost Train · 28-08-2018 01:29PM

From next year there will be a minimum weight of 80kg for drivers, with more ballast being added for lighter drivers to make it fairer for bigger drivers. Ballast being added adjacent to drivers seat
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/features/2018/4/what-you-need-to-know-about-f1s-2019-rule-changes.html

H3llR4iser · 28-08-2018 02:40PM

chicorytip wrote: »

I don't understand why taller drivers should be discriminated against in this manner. All that's required is moving the pedals forward. This is apparently very easy to do as when Williams had to replace Massa with the much taller Di Resta for one race last season - at very short notice.

It might not be that easy - the driver's feet are forbidden by regulation from being forward of the front axle line of the car, so if the monocoque is designed around a driver who is, say, 1.75m tall, it might very well be impossible to accommodate one who is 1.85 as the pedals can't be moved any further forward. Williams could accommodate Di Resta because they also had Stroll who's 1.82m. Nothing in F1 is simple.

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