98% of the abuses were within the community

riemann · 26-08-2018 09:29PM #1

It is a very apt observation especially in today's cimlate.

The issue of child abuse is rampant and far from exclusive to the church.

It's sad to see all the selfless work offered by many generations of religious institutions completely ignored, as currently it is fashionable to tar all with the same brush.

Of course this is a dangerous game when referring to other religious, ethnic or gender groups.

punisher5112 · 26-08-2018 09:31PM

Priests were abusing though so there is no way of getting away from that and also remember those in charge covered it up.

Who in God's name can live with that.

Shocking shocking stuff.

Of course other have and do abuse but these absolutely filthy backstards could have been stopped from carrying out further rapes and attacks on innocent children....

Sick fookers

badtoro · 26-08-2018 09:33PM

Well hang on there a second. The "abuse" was one thing, the aiding and abetting and foot dragging and so forth added huge insult to huge injury.

The church is reaping what it sowed. Deservedly so.

jaykay74 · 26-08-2018 09:37PM

riemann wrote: »

It is a very apt observation especially in today's cimlate.

The issue of child abuse is rampant and far from exclusive to the church.

It's sad to see all the selfless work offered by many generations of religious institutions completely ignored, as currently it is fashionable to tar all with the same brush.

Of course this is a dangerous game when referring to other religious, ethnic or gender groups.

Are you being ignorant on purpose ?

NIMAN · 26-08-2018 09:38PM

I think it was clear to see from the aerial shots today that the numbers definitely weren't high.....people are finally catching on to this shower of child rapists and apologists.

And if you had of taken out the tourists who came for the world meeting of families, leaving just Irish, I would say it would have been a major kick in the stones to the CC.

AllForIt · 26-08-2018 09:39PM

Warning: The thread title of this thread makes no sense.

bobbysands81 · 26-08-2018 09:40PM

riemann wrote: »

It is a very apt observation especially in today's cimlate.

The issue of child abuse is rampant and far from exclusive to the church.

It's sad to see all the selfless work offered by many generations of religious institutions completely ignored, as currently it is fashionable to tar all with the same brush.

Of course this is a dangerous game when referring to other religious, ethnic or gender groups.

Ahhhhh, that makes it all alright so.

Kermit.de.frog · 26-08-2018 09:42PM

The one thing I take a bit of an issue with is the use of this word "survivors" to describe victims.

If you're talking about the Holocaust, fair enough.

In this context it is patently not correct terminology. An emotionally charged term misused.

Gimme A Pound · 26-08-2018 09:46PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The one thing I take a bit of an issue with is the use of this word "survivors" to describe victims.

If you're talking about the Holocaust, fair enough.

In this context it is patently not correct terminology. An emotionally charged term misused.

I've wondered that too. From what I've looked into, it appears the word "victim" is considered inappropriate so survivor is used as an alternative. A more metaphorical interpretation of survival. Makes sense, as victim isn't an ideal term.

Edgware · 26-08-2018 10:39PM

Demi Savory Swimmer wrote: »

I've wondered that too. From what I've looked into, it appears the word "victim" is considered inappropriate so survivor is used as an alternative. A more metaphorical interpretation of survival. Makes sense, as victim isn't an ideal term.

Growing up I remember one of these victims boasting about being brought to Butlins because he was an altar boy.

punisher5112 · 26-08-2018 10:48PM

Op if you are talking about Dalkey in Co. Dublin then your heading would be believable.

There was some twisted stuff going on in Whites Villas.

riemann · 26-08-2018 10:57PM

Edgware wrote: »

Growing up I remember one of these victims boasting about being brought to Butlins because he was an altar boy.

Buttlins?

Kristopherus · 26-08-2018 11:02PM

riemann wrote: »

Buttlins?

Now a holiday camp for the boat people from the Mediterranean:D:D:D.

DivingDuck · 26-08-2018 11:03PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The one thing I take a bit of an issue with is the use of this word "survivors" to describe victims.

If you're talking about the Holocaust, fair enough.

In this context it is patently not correct terminology. An emotionally charged term misused.

People who've lived through sexual abuse often dislike the term "victim" as it focuses on the abuse and the abuser. "Victim" is essentially a negative term that implies helplessness and powerlessness, and while many people who have been sexually abused were quite literally helpless and powerless (especially those who were abused when they were children by adult pillars of the community), they might prefer not to be reminded of that fact by the word used to refer to them.

You don't have to agree with it linguistically, but when you're dealing with a group of people who suffered through being sexually abused as children, maybe letting them choose how they define and refer to themselves isn't an unreasonable idea.

Edgware · 26-08-2018 11:05PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

Op if you are talking about Dalkey in Co. Dublin then your heading would be believable.

There was some twisted stuff going on in Whites Villas.

Any evidence of that except the word of the local nutjob

professore · 26-08-2018 11:11PM

98% me hole. Most abuse I heard of was perpetrated by clergy.

pleas advice · 26-08-2018 11:19PM

professore wrote: »

98% me hole. Most abuse I heard of was perpetrated by clergy.

'heard of' though

gmisk · 26-08-2018 11:21PM

pleas advice wrote: »

'heard of' though

Where is the 98 percent figure from?

PopePalpatine · 26-08-2018 11:22PM

Edgware wrote: »

Growing up I remember one of these victims boasting about being brought to Butlins because he was an altar boy.

Edgware wrote: »

Any evidence of that except the word of the local nutjob

Hmm...

gmisk · 26-08-2018 11:24PM

riemann wrote: »

It is a very apt observation especially in today's cimlate.

The issue of child abuse is rampant and far from exclusive to the church.

It's sad to see all the selfless work offered by many generations of religious institutions completely ignored, as currently it is fashionable to tar all with the same brush.

Of course this is a dangerous game when referring to other religious, ethnic or gender groups.

Where is this 98 percent figure from!?!

If that is true (and I have my doubts), 2 percent of all the worlds abusers are priests!?! I would say that is quite a lot of people.. Mgiven the number of priests per head of population...are there 50 non people per priest in the world... Nope

Seth Brundle · 26-08-2018 11:31PM

riemann wrote: »

The issue of child abuse is rampant and far from exclusive to the church.

Quite true but the RCC is doing it's best to frustrate the truth into the abuses carried out by its staff and how it facilitates the activities of the abusers.
Then you have the child trafficking business which will never be fully revealed because they destroyed the records.

riemann wrote: »

It's sad to see all the selfless work offered by many generations of religious institutions completely ignored, as currently it is fashionable to tar all with the same brush.

Institutions such as care homes, Magdalene laundries, etc?

Arthur Daley · 26-08-2018 11:43PM

gmisk wrote: »

Where is the 98 percent figure from?

The Garda report into child abuse in 2014 gave a similar statistic.

anewme · 26-08-2018 11:56PM

Harsh as it sounds, we need to move on from this.

It's destroyed enough people and families.

26-08-2018 11:57PM

anewme wrote: »

Harsh as it sounds, we need to move on from this.

It's destroyed enough people.

cool

what would 'moving on' look like then?

anewme · 26-08-2018 11:58PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

cool

what would 'moving on' look like then?

I don't know- you tell me.

Roger_007 · 27-08-2018 12:00AM

It is easy to blame all the abuses that occurred in this country on the Church. But, if we do, we are ignoring the the real cause of the problem and that is the rottenness at the core of Irish society.
The church had no power to do anything except the power that was given to them by the Irish people. The people used the church to dispose of their embarrassing problems. The Irish now are great at washing their hands of any responsibility for the actions of the church, but the truth is that the church could have done nothing without the wholehearted support of the people. All the clergy, nuns, priests, brothers etc, came from 'decent Irish Catholic families'. The church simply carried out the wishes of the people.
If anyone doubts where the real responsibility lies, just ask yourself the question: 'how did the women who ended up in Magdelene Laundries and Mother and Baby homes come to be in those places'.
The answer is that they were there because their families and communities rejected them and didn't care what happened to them as long as they didn't bring their 'problem' home. They church simply did society's 'dirty work' and they did it with society's wholehearted approval.

27-08-2018 12:02AM

anewme wrote: »

I don't know- you tell me.

id suggest if you dont know what you have in mind when you advise people to move on from child abuse and a conspiracy to cover up same on an institutional basis then you should not advise people to move on from child abuse and a conspiracy to cover up same on an institutional basis.

thats what id tell you

anewme · 27-08-2018 12:09AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

id suggest if you dont know what you have in mind when you advise people to move on from child abuse and a conspiracy to cover up same on an institutional basis then you should not advise people to move on from child abuse and a conspiracy to cover up same on an institutional basis.

thats what id tell you

And I'd tell you to stop preaching to people when you don't know what's going on in their lives.

FrancieBrady · 27-08-2018 12:15AM

Roger_007 wrote: »

It is easy to blame all the abuses that occurred in this country on the Church. But, if we do, we are ignoring the the real cause of the problem and that is the rottenness at the core of Irish society.
The church had no power to do anything except the power that was given to them by the Irish people. The people used the church to dispose of their embarrassing problems. The Irish now are great at washing their hands of any responsibility for the actions of the church, but the truth is that the church could have done nothing without the wholehearted support of the people. All the clergy, nuns, priests, brothers etc, came from 'decent Irish Catholic families'. The church simply carried out the wishes of the people.
If anyone doubts where the real responsibility lies, just ask yourself the question: 'how did the women who ended up in Magdelene Laundries and Mother and Baby homes come to be in those places'.
The answer is that they were there because their families and communities rejected them and didn't care what happened to them as long as they didn't bring their 'problem' home. They church simply did society's 'dirty work' and they did it with society's wholehearted approval.

Talk about trying to deflect the blame!

They needed the daughter out of the house because the 'church' would make their lives unlivable in the community. The entire family's lives.

Power is the word you are looking for. The church took the power from the people and held on to it. It was a self invigorating rottenness like a cancer. And in fairness to the Irish people, when they discovered the cancer they set about rooting it out.
This weekend demonstrated just how far we have come in rooting it out of society.

Roger Hassenforder · 27-08-2018 12:16AM

anewme wrote: »

And I'd tell you to stop preaching to people when you don't know what's going on in their lives.

when you don't know what's going on in other's lives, you think they/we should "move on" though...

27-08-2018 12:17AM

anewme wrote: »

And I'd tell you to stop preaching to people when you don't know what's going on in their lives.

read yr post to which i first responded.

last word ill give on it

98% of the abuses were within the community

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