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So who's going to see the Pope?

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  • #2732
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,870 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Tzardine wrote: »
    Turnout of 130,000 being claimed on thejournal.ie

    Any link to that? Can’t see it mentioned on journal.ie


  • #2733
    Guy:Incognito
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    bobmalooka wrote: »
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DliCJICXsAITwLc.jpg

    Pic showing the entire area shows a poor turnout. You can only assume the poor weather caused a huge amount of people to stay at home

    That's convenient.

    Youd think God would turn the rain off for him . Guess faith doesn't stretch to getting a bit wet.


  • #2734
    Tzardine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭Tzardine


    road_high wrote: »
    Any link to that? Can’t see it mentioned on journal.ie

    http://www.thejournal.ie/liveblog-pope-visit-4202217-Aug2018/

    Just above the twitter pic from the Air Corps


  • #2735
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Second time you claimed that falsehood.

    Eh. I only asked a question about the image shown, based on what I saw being built there over the last week.

    If youve been keeping track of my posts here. You'd see that's all it was.


  • #2736
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    The Guards have put the turn out at 130,000. Based on numbers passing through the gates. A big turnout but nowhere near the expected numbers. Not surprising though given what people know now about the church.


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  • #2737
    Harry Palmr
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    BBC news just showed the overhead view, the place is empty. About two rows of pens that are full and then it falls away dramatically. if there is 50,000 they'd be doing well.


  • #2738
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Irish Sun got it a bit wrong:

    CROWDS are pouring into the Phoenix Park for Pope Francis’ Papal Mass as it looks likely that at least half a million will turn out.

    https://www.thesun.ie/news/3033828/phoenix-park-pope-mass-traffic-m50/


  • #2739
    Niles Crane
    Closed Accounts Posts: 537 ✭✭✭Niles Crane


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    The Guards have put the turn out at 130,000. Based on numbers passing through the gates. A big turnout but nowhere near the expected numbers. Not surprising though given what people know now about the church.

    I suspect that the main reason people didn't go and have fallen out of love with the church is because mass is boring.


  • #2740
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
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    bobmalooka wrote: »
    DliCJICXsAITwLc.jpg

    Pic showing the entire area shows a poor turnout. You can only assume the poor weather caused a huge amount of people to stay at home

    I don’t buy that. People attend all kinds of events in bad weather if they are keen enough. The weather stopping someone indicates that they are not that arsed.


  • #2741
    Hitman3000
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    Niles Crane wrote:
    I suspect that the main reason people didn't go and have fallen out of love with the church is because mass is boring.


    Excuses excuses, it's the whole child raping thing that turned many I know away from the church.


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  • #2742
    Discodog
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    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    I don’t buy that. People attend all kinds of events in bad weather if they are keen enough. The weather stopping someone indicates that they are not that arsed.

    Plus the forecasts always showed that the main rain would clear Dublin well before the event


  • #2743
    road_high
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    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    I don’t buy that. People attend all kinds of events in bad weather if they are keen enough. The weather stopping someone indicates that they are not that arsed.

    The weather isn’t that bad at all. It’s a bit blustery but the rain has largely cleared from earlier and wasn’t that heavy


  • #2744
    Star Bingo
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    I can actually see the stage from the attic. The one tiny bit of phoenix park I can see between all the houses and there it is


  • #2745
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
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    Tzardine wrote: »
    In 79, over 1 million people turned up. About 35% of the whole country.

    If it is 130,000 today then thats 2.7%, and that includes everybody involved in the event.

    That says it all really. What would it be in another 40 years when the current group of older people die off. The Pope could probably not fill a Starbucks then.

    Wow, 1,000,000 at Phoenix Park alone in 1979? :eek: And that was with a much lower population!


  • #2746
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,870 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Rte guy spinning the crowd! Think he’s a priest


  • #2747
    KevRossi
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    130,000 here today, 55,000 in Croker last night, plus whoever was in Knock. And then maybe 50,000 along the streets of Dublin yesterday (?).

    Poor turnout if so.

    I remember going to Knock as a child in 1979, and passing people walking along the roads 6 miles from Knock at 6 am. We got about 2 miles from Knock as my Dad, Uncle and one other were stewards. 450,000 showed up it seems. Feck all Portaloos, we shat a peed in the woods at the bottom of the car park.

    I think people were also turned off by the thought of the 'long' walk in and eventually the weather. But it's still a mark of how much they have fallen over the past 40 years.


  • #2748
    harr
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    road_high wrote: »
    Rte guy spinning the crowd! Think he’s a priest
    They will probably spin the official attendance higher as well..now saying under 130,000


  • #2749
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    I would say the weather put a lot off going but even at that the turn out is really poor.

    i would imagine that a good few of those there are also people who came for the world meeting of families.

    A lot would also be recent immigrants to Ireland like Poles, Filipinos and South Americans.

    Shows what the Catholic church has become in Ireland, it's a shadow of its former self.


  • #2750
    KevRossi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,574 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    And they should put wind mufflers over the bloody microphones, the banging of the wind on them is seriously annoying at this stage.


  • #2751
    Niles Crane
    Closed Accounts Posts: 537 ✭✭✭Niles Crane


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Excuses excuses, it's the whole child raping thing that turned many I know away from the church.

    Myself and 90% of people in my class is school stopped going to mass after our confirmation and I have a feeling the main reason is that it's a pretty boring way to spend your time.


    It sounds great too say Oh I don't go t mass any more because of sex abuse scandals but I suspect most people either decided they didn't really believe in god or found going to mass to be extremely boring.


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  • #2752
    Discodog
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    If the Pope can't pull them in then the faithful are in serious trouble.


  • #2753
    harr
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    KevRossi wrote: »
    130,000 here today, 55,000 in Croker last night, plus whoever was in Knock. And then maybe 50,000 along the streets of Dublin yesterday (?).

    Poor turnout if so.

    I remember going to Knock as a child in 1979, and passing people walking along the roads 6 miles from Knock at 6 am. We got about 2 miles from Knock as my Dad, Uncle and one other were stewards. 450,000 showed up it seems. Feck all Portaloos, we shat a peed in the woods at the bottom of the car park.

    I think people were also turned off by the thought of the 'long' walk in and eventually the weather. But it's still a mark of how much they have fallen over the past 40 years.
    I can imagine a lot of people who attended last night are also in the park today..


  • #2754
    Spanish Eyes
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    Honestly, all that ritual, shaking of incense and many men in dresses on the altar is just unreal!

    I don't know if anyone understands it all TBH, and it just seems to take forever. Reminds me of when I was a teenager, and would go to evening Mass on Sunday (they were available back then) to please my parents. But I would go for a walk instead. The parents always went to 11oc Mass as they were in the choir.

    I was only fifteen or sixteen then. No one cares about that kind of religious observance anymore. Only if you are devout and have faith and believe. Good luck to that cohort.


  • #2755
    Hitman3000
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    Niles Crane wrote:
    It sounds great too say Oh I don't go t mass any more because of sex abuse scandals but I suspect most people either decided they didn't really believe in god or found going to mass to be extremely boring.


    You suspect but you don't know. The people I know that don't go, give the church's history of rape and abuse as their reason.


  • #2756
    Discodog
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    I didn't watch it but do the crowds today & last night get immediate translations from Italian ?


  • #2757
    ChikiChiki
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    Tzardine wrote: »
    Turnout of 130,000 being claimed on thejournal.ie

    The Church have been responsible for absolutely a huge amount of heinous crimes and cover ups in this tiny country. I cannot even fathom how that many people have attended given what we now know.


  • #2758
    Spanish Eyes
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    I think I heard/read somewhere that Frankie didn't know about the Industrial Schools or the Magdalen laundries.

    Did anyone else hear this?


  • #2759
    cameramonkey
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    Looking at the photo there is no way 130,000 there. There are 60 visible pens for corralling people, no more than 5 or 6 look like they are anyway full. If they were expecting 500000 then each pen would hold just under 8500. So if 6 pens are full that is in or around 50,000.


  • #2760
    Niles Crane
    Closed Accounts Posts: 537 ✭✭✭Niles Crane


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    You suspect but you don't know. The people I know that don't go, give the church's history of rape and abuse as their reason.


    The reason the people I know stopped going is because it's boring, 13 and 14 year olds didn't tend to make decision like that due to moral outrage.The biggest reason for the fall of in attendance at mas sis because younger people don't go anymore.

    The main reason is it's a bad way to spend an hour of your time every week when you could be doing something more entertaining and also people probably began to realize there is a very good chance that there is no god.


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  • #2761
    Tzardine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭Tzardine


    Niles Crane wrote: »
    The reason the people I know stopped going is because it's boring, 13 and 14 year olds didn't tend to make decision like that due to moral outrage.The biggest reason for the fall of in attendance at mas sis because younger people don't go anymore.

    The main reason is it's a bad way to spend an hour of your time every week when you could be doing something more entertaining and also people probably began to realize there is a very good chance that there is no god.

    The journal now making excuses for the low turnout:

    "We told you earlier that fewer than 130,000 people are in attendance, though 500,000 tickets were sold.

    Our reporter Stephen McDermott has reminded us that this month, HSE emergency chiefs warned those with health problems against attending the mass if they were unable to do so, while poor weather is also understood to have kept many mass-goers at home.

    He also notes a significant number of tickets were snapped up by protesters when they were made available in July, with some booking hundreds of tickets without any intention of attending today’s mass."


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