Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

Ash.J.Williams · 21-08-2018 02:42PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I was a great fan of his and it came as a shock.

I don't want to speculate upon motive as that is for him but I was just wondering if he had bought the victim spiel from her and then discovered that she was actually a predator.

No offence meant, just curious. May he continue to rest in peace.

People don't usually kill themselves because of something..

Happy4all · 21-08-2018 10:11PM

I see she says she didn’t have sex with him but that he was threatening to blackmail her.
And that her boyfriend Anthony Bourdain who arranged paying him off.
Conveniently Anthony died recently & can’t contradict her statement.

sexmag · 21-08-2018 10:31PM

Happy4all wrote: »

I see she says she didn’t have sex with him but that he was threatening to blackmail her.
And that her boyfriend Anthony Bourdain who arranged paying him off.
Conveniently Anthony died recently & can’t contradict her statement.

Dragging her deceased ex through the mud, sickening really.

They all went mad at Casey Affleck for paying off those 2 woman basically "confirming his guilt" and now she's saying it was for another reason such as black mail yet people have confirmed they have texts between her and Anthony saying "she didn't rape Bennett" and there is a photo of them post coitus

RabbleRouser2k · 21-08-2018 10:40PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

To clarify, I'm struggling to understand the outrage at metoo. If they knew she was an abuser and still used her because she was also a victim, then they would be culpable. But we have no evidence that it was widely known until now.

So how is it 'their fault'? And how is the hypocrisy on anyone except Asia?

Well, if you watch 'Author...' it does show she's very manipulative. That she does ply people with substances to get what she wants. Hollywood is a tight, close knit area-they knew. Similar to Brian Singer, or Harvey...or Polanski. They knew, they just turned the other cheek.

As for the hypocrisy of 'metoo'. Metoo has taken a mere accusation as evidence, no trial, no judge, no jury-it's 'FACT'...but only as long as you're not one of their own.
Asia is one of their own, and Rose and her team are now saying 'be gentle, stop trying to under mine metoo'...but ignoring the victim here. We'll even have people saying 'it's different for a boy'...no, grooming and so on is still the same, no matter the gender. Asia's now dragging her dead boyfriend into this-that's just demented.

The hypocrisy is all over this, it's staring em point blank in the face.

NOVA MCMXCIV · 21-08-2018 10:41PM

Hollywood is such a cesspit.

El_Duderino 09 · 21-08-2018 10:45PM

sexmag wrote: »

They all went mad at Casey Affleck for paying off those 2 woman basically "confirming his guilt" and now she's saying it was for another reason such as black mail yet people have confirmed they have texts between her and Anthony saying "she didn't rape Bennett" and there is a photo of them post coitus

So is paying off the alleged victim a sign of guilt or not? You seem critical of the people who deemed Casey Afleck guilty because he made a payment. But I don’t see many here calling for people to wait until all the facts are known and a jury passes a verdict.

Talk about double standards. Dreadful business.

sexmag · 21-08-2018 11:04PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

So is paying off the alleged victim a sign of guilt or not?

Neither, only a judge and jury can decide but it never gets to that stage.

I'm pointing out the hypocrisy and how when casey did it in their eyes hes guilty but when asia did it we should believe her.

I feel bad as this is all blowing up in their face now and the movement was a good thing to an extent,it's exposed the evil but the gun toating of shoot first ask questions later of what it became has really undermind it

Resverathrole · 21-08-2018 11:14PM

The poor fella was just trying to get laid. I think the first wan he abused was the hottest! It wasn't like he raped some1

21-08-2018 11:57PM

We're all caring too much about what goes on in these Hollywood weirdos lives. They get paid to lie and entertain, they're living in a parallel universe, they aren't us.

RabbleRouser2k · 22-08-2018 12:11AM

Deleted User wrote: »

We're all caring too much about what goes on in these Hollywood weirdos lives. They get paid to lie and entertain, they're living in a parallel universe, they aren't us.

There's 'a different world' and then there's hurting someone else and breaking the law.
Many creative people live in a different world-it's how they get ideas. They're sort of exploring places people ignore in order to gain ideas.

I see Rosanna Arquette is trying to pull the same craziness as Rose McGowan-'that Harvey leaked this story'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6083203/Asia-Argento-DENIES-having-sex-teen-says-extorted-Anthony-Bourdains-money.html

Except there's a photo Rosanna, this happened-it broke the law. You were all going after Woody Allen despite a court case finding him not guilty.
Here there's a ton of evidence. Hell, Argento was even possibly still married at the time too-it was 2013 after all.

El_Duderino 09 · 22-08-2018 08:18AM

sexmag wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

So is paying off the alleged victim a sign of guilt or not?

Neither, only a judge and jury can decide but it never gets to that stage.

I'm pointing out the hypocrisy and how when casey did it in their eyes hes guilty but when asia did it we should believe her.

I feel bad as this is all blowing up in their face now and the movement was a good thing to an extent,it's exposed the evil but the gun toating of shoot first ask questions later of what it became has really undermind it

Ah so the posters in this thread haven’t made up their mind on whether she’s guilty or not. They’re just honestly Collecting data and waiting for the court case? You must be joking!

Yours is the first post that hasn’t assumed her guilt. And that was only because it would have been glaringly obvious that anyone who assumes her guilt is committing the very same crime that metoo supposedly commits.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 22-08-2018 10:07AM

NOVA MCMXCIV wrote: »

Hollywood is such a cesspit.

A friend of mine didn’t want to watch a certain film recently because she didn’t like one of the lead actors. He’s one of the accused in the last year.

I said to her that the film and TV industries are rotten to their core. I’d say literally every production has an asshole/assholette somewhere in the production ranks. You’d never watch anything if you were avoiding things that have questionable people involved.

It stumped her a bit!

JJJJNR · 22-08-2018 10:14AM

She has blood on her hands bigtime.

RabbleRouser2k · 22-08-2018 09:55PM

JJJJNR wrote: »

She has blood on her hands bigtime.

When Bourdain killed himself, a lot of people noted how 'he was supporting her, but she completely abandoned him'.

Depression is a horrible disease, and it needs a support network to help one get through the rougher times.
Bourdain didn't seem to have this support, instead he was left out in the cold.

Venom · 22-08-2018 10:47PM

TMZ has gotten their hands on at least one photo out of four alleged to have been taken and a text message chain where she admits to having sex with the kid.

http://www.tmz.com/2018/08/22/asia-argento-17-year-old-boy-in-bed-photo-sex-texts/

How can she claim she didn't know his age when she's known him for years?

tritium · 22-08-2018 11:09PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

To clarify, I'm struggling to understand the outrage at metoo. If they knew she was an abuser and still used her because she was also a victim, then they would be culpable. But we have no evidence that it was widely known until now.

So how is it 'their fault'? And how is the hypocrisy on anyone except Asia?

Well, it would be less hypocritical if this was maybe the first #metoo leader who was caught out and basically given a pass by the movements main players. Unfortunately Cristina Garcia has previous form here. At the moment the top tier of #metoo aren’t doing well when it comes to being the change they want to see in the world...

RabbleRouser2k · 23-08-2018 12:32AM

The Daily Mail has two pretty good articles on the subject (though their stating 'Bourdain paid him' has to be libellous, hasn't it? She claims he paid the guy, it doesn't mean he genuinely did. She might be...wait for this...lying.)

Asia's accused victim has stated he kept his secret out of shame. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6088245/Asia-Argentos-accuser-breaks-silence-says-ashamed-afraid-come-forward.html

And now texts and other details have emerged where it shows she did have sex with him, but is now playing the victim. There are claims like 'she didn't know he was 17'...but she knew he was 7 when she made a film with him. So is she that bad at math? Doubt it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6086009/Asia-Argento-admits-DID-sex-17-year-old-Jimmy-Bennett-texts.html

She's also going to be in X Factor Italy... or not. She's already dropped out of a festival over the allegations.

RabbleRouser2k · 25-08-2018 12:56AM

Man, Asia's sounding more and more like a creep.

Tagging people in Instagram videos. Sending unsolicited nude's to people, and then badmouthing them or blaming them when they get angry.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6095413/Asia-Argento-sent-unwanted-nude-video-comedian-freaked-got-upset.html

El_Duderino 09 · 25-08-2018 08:54AM

Fair play to the metoo movement for making this kind of thing more likely to come out.

sexmag · 25-08-2018 10:49AM

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/24/metoo-victim-asia-argento-jimmy-bennett

Great article,unbiased and written by a woman about the whole me too movement and not just the Asia argento story

The Crowman · 25-08-2018 11:16AM

This ad wouldn't go down well in the Metoo age

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P05mF5JzvBA

El_Duderino 09 · 25-08-2018 05:01PM

The Crowman wrote: »

This ad wouldn't go down well in the Metoo age

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P05mF5JzvBA

I don't suppose it would.

It shows how that kind of workplace harassment was baked into the culture. It's amazing how far culture has come in just 30 years.

the purple tin · 25-08-2018 05:33PM

The Crowman wrote: »

This ad wouldn't go down well in the Metoo age

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P05mF5JzvBA

That's a well worn trope in english tv. The randy old git who can't keep his hands to himself, for some reason it's usually always a retired military officer.

tritium · 25-08-2018 05:46PM

sexmag wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/24/metoo-victim-asia-argento-jimmy-bennett

Great article,unbiased and written by a woman about the whole me too movement and not just the Asia argento story

I have to admit, the aspect that disturbs me about that piece is how it essentially downplays the Argento and Ronell stories as though they weren’t sexual assault at all. I do wonder would this piece have been accepted by the guardian were the gender roles reversed

Lines like

A 17-year-old and a 37-year-old together in bed now appals; a few generations ago, the play Tea and Sympathy – which concludes with the sexual propositioning of a prep school student by his headmaster’s wife – was a sentimental Broadway hit.

Ignore the fundamental point that this a kid who was below the age of consent - this isn’t an age gap romance, if they had sex it’s legally and morally child abuse

That said, as el duderino pointed out, and several commentators have noted, it is positive that male victims finally feel they can step forward. Early metoo had been quite toxic at times to that. It’s also good that finally were seeing that no one is Teflon on this stuff given cases like Cristina Garcia very much were in danger of giving that view. Hollywood is a cesspit and I’m not actually surprised to see this as the next stage of metoo given how power and influence can corrupt, something that’s not gender specific

RabbleRouser2k · 25-08-2018 10:39PM

tritium wrote: »

I have to admit, the aspect that disturbs me about that piece is how it essentially downplays the Argento and Ronell stories as though they weren’t sexual assault at all. I do wonder would this piece have been accepted by the guardian were the gender roles reversed

Lines like

Ignore the fundamental point that this a kid who was below the age of consent - this isn’t an age gap romance, if they had sex it’s legally and morally child abuse

That said, as el duderino pointed out, and several commentators have noted, it is positive that male victims finally feel they can step forward. Early metoo had been quite toxic at times to that. It’s also good that finally were seeing that no one is Teflon on this stuff given cases like Cristina Garcia very much were in danger of giving that view. Hollywood is a cesspit and I’m not actually surprised to see this as the next stage of metoo given how power and influence can corrupt, something that’s not gender specific

We've seen a lot of 'underage male seduced by older man/ woman' movies in the past, and they're treated as dramas or romantic.
Summer of 42, or the Oscar nominated 'Call me by your name', to name a few.
In actuality, friends of mine that were 15 and male who were being hounded by much older women found it much creepier.

26-08-2018 12:30AM

The Crowman wrote: »

This ad wouldn't go down well in the Metoo age

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P05mF5JzvBA

The good old days

Outlaw Pete · 26-08-2018 01:15AM

tritium wrote: »

I have to admit, the aspect that disturbs me about that piece is how it essentially downplays the Argento and Ronell stories as though they weren’t sexual assault at all. I do wonder would this piece have been accepted by the guardian were the gender roles reversed..

I think overall it's always downplayed when it's a woman rather than a man. Had it been say Tom Cruise that had statutorily raped Dakota Fanning a few days after she turned 17, after him having played her Dad in a film when she was nine or ten (War of the Worlds) and (similarly to Asia and Johnny) been quite close to one another over the subsequent years, then I think the reaction would be far different to what we are seeing.

El_Duderino 09 · 26-08-2018 07:55AM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

I think overall it's always downplayed when it's a woman rather than a man. Had it been say Tom Cruise that had statutorily raped Dakota Fanning a few days after she turned 17, after him having played her Dad in a film when she was nine or ten (War of the Worlds) and (similarly to Asia and Johnny) been quite close to one another over the subsequent years, then I think the reaction would be far different to what we are seeing.

Yes but... I had never heard of Asia before this story and Tom Cruise is massive news when he does anything. He jumped on Opera’s sofa and it was front page news.

So an analogous story would be an actor I’ve never heard of who might have statutory raped a 17 year old actor.

RabbleRouser2k · 26-08-2018 08:30AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yes but... I had never heard of Asia before this story and Tom Cruise is massive news when he does anything. He jumped on Opera’s sofa and it was front page news.

So an analogous story would be an actor I’ve never heard of who might have statutory raped a 17 year old actor.

Really? Never heard of Asia, prior to the Weinstein thing, I mean? That's pretty strange. (No offence).

Her dad is Dario Argento, famous Italian horror director. She starred alongside Vin Diesel in XXX, as well as in Sofia Coppola's Marie Antoinette, as well as George Romero's Land of the Dead.

I think the only other example(s) that springs to mind is Stephen Collins from 7th Heaven admitting to molesting his niece.
Or R Kelly and his 'house full of young girls'. Or James Woods allegedly hitting on 16 year old girls.

El_Duderino 09 · 26-08-2018 08:44AM

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Really? Never heard of Asia, prior to the Weinstein thing, I mean? That's pretty strange. (No offence).

Her dad is Dario Argento, famous Italian horror director. She starred alongside Vin Diesel in XXX, as well as in Sofia Coppola's Marie Antoinette, as well as George Romero's Land of the Dead.

I think the only other example(s) that springs to mind is Stephen Collins from 7th Heaven admitting to molesting his niece.
Or R Kelly and his 'house full of young girls'. Or James Woods allegedly hitting on 16 year old girls.

Her name didn’t stand out even after Weinstein. I googled her and saw the same info you posted. I hadn’t seen any of those movies or hadn’t seen her before as far as I know.

But I know those Male actors you mentioned and R Kelly from before any accusations. But I hadn’t heard of the accusations until you mentioned them right now (except R Kelly)

To be fair ‘obscure Male actor you’ve never heard of, might have had sex with 17 year old actor you’ve never heard of’ doesn’t make an amazing headline. But Tom cruise, or James woods are instantly recognisable.

This story shows that it’s moving in the right direction thanks in large part to metoo

Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

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