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Far Right and Far Left not taken off like other Countries

  • 25-08-2018 08:11PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21


    Compared to other countries, especially those in Europe, far-right and far-left movements haven't really taken off in Ireland. While Far-Left groups are usually like Antifa (which is more anti-Nazi than anti-Fascist) is often a response to Far-Right groups. Far-right groups haven't really gained popularity in Ireland .

    Don't get me wrong groups like 'Identity Ireland,' and the 'National Party' have recently formed but they aren't popular and have no seats in government. There isn't any long existing far-right groups.

    So why is that, Ireland is a mix of liberal and conservative so it is sort of expected to have these groups form.

    IMO, I believe far-right groups haven't formed because Ireland has always been accepting of foreigners and people of other religions, eg. Jews in Ireland received way less persecution throughout history compared to the rest of Europe. As for Far-Left, there isn't any Far-Right groups for them to counter and Irish people don't like people telling them what to do/believe (this could be the same with Far-Right).

    I could be wrong so thoughts and opinions on why either haven't gained popularity?

    Please be civil in the comments we all have an opinion/belief


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    the national motto is "ah sure it's grand" - very apathetic


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭jacksie66


    This post has been deleted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,117 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    People simply don't care enough I find!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭thebull85


    Im alright Jack.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,985 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    They haven’t gained much popularity here as historically we are an open hearted, minded, well educated, well travelled nation / society who by and large respect and can live side by side with and stand hand and hand with those of differing backgrounds and beliefs to us.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,509 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    There were only ever around 2,000 to 3,000 Jews in Ireland. Hardly worth the bother to discriminate against them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,117 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I know a lfew and they consider Sinn Fein far left.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,999 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    Because we’re the blacks of Europe. Try a little tenderness.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    jacksie66 wrote: »
    Pretty sure if we had a massive influx of illegal immigrants into Ireland like Italy or Austria we'd be in the same situation.
    That's what I think too - a far right movement would gain traction based on numbers of immigrants. Although there are countries in eastern Europe which don't have a high influx of immigrants yet have a pretty staunch right wing ethos.

    As for Jewish people in Ireland, while it was nothing like parts of Europe, I'm not sure Ireland was entirely such a welcoming place for them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,643 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Im happy with this. If find this left v right wing politics very divisive. Last thing this country needs. Nothing wrong with the middle ground approach to listen to all sides and decide the best course of action.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,615 ✭✭✭Autochange


    Strumms wrote: »
    They haven’t gained much popularity here as historically we are an open hearted, minded, well educated, well travelled nation / society who by and large respect and can live side by side with and stand hand and hand with those of differing backgrounds and beliefs to us.

    It's because there aren't enough people of different beliefs here from other countries. That's slowly changing though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,387 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    People on this island have seen what comes of extremist politics and the effect the had in both Northern Ireland and the Repubic during the troubles.

    As much as it angers some of the After Hours fruit loops, there’s no desire in Irish society for their politics.

    We’re also a nation of immigrants, who have historically gone out to see the world and experience different countries and cultures.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭gw80


    Strumms wrote: »
    They haven’t gained much popularity here as historically we are an open hearted, minded, well educated, well travelled nation / society who by and large respect and can live side by side with and stand hand and hand with those of differing backgrounds and beliefs to us.

    I think I just got a little bit sick in my mouth.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭thebull85


    People on this island have seen what comes of extremist politics and the effect the had in both Northern Ireland and the Repubic during the troubles.

    As much as it angers some of the After Hours fruit loops, there’s no desire in Irish society for their politics.

    We’re also a nation of immigrants, who have historically gone out to see the world and experience different countries and cultures.

    The same could be said about a lot of eastern european countries, many many of them have emigrated and also experienced extremist politics in their countries. But we still see plenty of far right and far left in those countries.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    It's definitely one of the more positive aspects of Irish culture that we've not got much time for that nonsense, as frustrating as some on AH may find that.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭thebull85


    If we look at Britain, at what time in history the far right and far left start getting support? And for what reasons did they gain support?

    Maybe we havent experienced the things in this country yet that made the far left and far right come into being in other countries.

    Either that or we're just the good old Irish who have no time for either.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Far right and far left have existed in the UK for almost a century, if not more.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Billy86 wrote: »
    It's definitely one of the more positive aspects of Irish culture that we've not got much time for that nonsense, as frustrating as some on AH may find that.
    But could that be because the conditions required are largely absent? Since austerity and water charges, the far left has gained much more of a following. Not saying they'll get into government but still, much more of a following. There is also an increase in anti immigration feeling with the formation of such parties. These may just be seeds but given the right conditions they'll grow.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,111 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    The left in Ireland are stupid, same idiots that would be out protesting a property tax etc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,985 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    gw80 wrote: »
    I think I just got a little bit sick in my mouth.


    Try not to choke, you’d find typing difficult, which for all of us would evidently be a seismic loss :eek:


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭thebull85


    RasTa wrote: »
    The left in Ireland are stupid, same idiots that would be out protesting a property tax etc

    Or the ones i seen today holed up in a building on North Frederick street, 3 youngwans on the balcony screaming obscenities about the pope and mentioning something about homelesness.

    Professional protestors, i wonder what their life would be like if they didnt have some sort of "cause" to be yelling about.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,275 ✭✭✭Your Face


    I think it might have something to do with the centuries of struggling to rule our own nation.
    The far Right or Left are, in practice, oppressive to any opposition.
    As a people, we know exactly what that entails.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    The farm takes up most of the day, and at night I just like a cup of tea. I mightn't be able to devote myself full time to the old racism.

    It's always been a great country for the auld casual racism, but we lack the requisite feelings of supremacy over other races for the far right to truly take hold. We can probably thank/blame the Brits for that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭alaimacerc


    jacksie66 wrote: »
    Pretty sure if we had a massive influx of illegal immigrants into Ireland like Italy or Austria we'd be in the same situation. Aren't a far right party leading the polls in Sweden also?

    Illegality is, I suspect, neither here nor there. Lots of anti-immigrant sentiment in the UK, and for obvious reasons very little of the immigration "irregular".

    Ireland's seen relatively little immigration of any sort until very recently, and most of what there's been has been from the EU. Is it really a shock that there's no large violent skinhead gangs? Or populist politicians giving out yards about Poles coming over here, being... well, what'd the objectionable stereotype be?
    Slightly more Catholic, slightly more socially conservative, slightly more hard-working, and slightly more hard-drinking than the natives?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭leonffrench


    We’re also a nation of immigrants, who have historically gone out to see the world and experience different countries and cultures.


    *emigrants


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    But could that be because the conditions required are largely absent? Since austerity and water charges, the far left has gained much more of a following. Not saying they'll get into government but still, much more of a following. There is also an increase in anti immigration feeling with the formation of such parties. These may just be seeds but given the right conditions they'll grow.
    It's an interesting point on the far left parties. I took a look and in 2011 (Socialist Party, PBP, WAUA, Workers Party) got a total of 60,000 first preference votes give or take a few hundred, and totaled to 2.7% of FPv. By 2016 they had mainly come together under AAA-PBP who gained 84,500 first preference votes while the only others were the Communists (185 first preference) and the Workers Party (3,056), with the three combining for 4.15% of FPv.

    As a percentage is it certainly a noticeable rise at about 50% each, but on the back of a few very, very austere years it doesn't present that promising of a future to build upon in my opinion. They seem to have lost quite a bit of steam in the last year or so as the furore of the water charges (which peaked around 2014-16 as I remember it, right in the lead up to the election) has died down somewhat and the economy has stabilised. There was also the minor matter that the more they talked about any kind of fiscal policy the more they exposed themselves as magic money tree chancers.

    I suppose another crash like 2008/09 could give them something more to build upon but outside of that I think their roof is pretty low and their growth doesn't really compare to the that seen by far left/far right parties on the continent over the same time period, thankfully.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    RasTa wrote: »
    The left in Ireland are stupid, same idiots that would be out protesting a property tax etc
    As someone who is definitely on the left side of the spectrum generally, I couldn't agree any more with this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Autochange wrote: »
    It's because there aren't enough people of different beliefs here from other countries. That's slowly changing though

    Ireland has a higher number of immigrants than most east European countries. But maybe fewer refugees than some western countries.

    To be fair to Italy the burden of most Mediterranean immigration is falling on them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    *emigrants

    Eh? In the sense he used it he could have used immigrants or emigrants.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    alaimacerc wrote: »
    Illegality is, I suspect, neither here nor there. Lots of anti-immigrant sentiment in the UK, and for obvious reasons very little of the immigration "irregular".

    Ireland's seen relatively little immigration of any sort until very recently, and most of what there's been has been from the EU. Is it really a shock that there's no large violent skinhead gangs? Or populist politicians giving out yards about Poles coming over here, being... well, what'd the objectionable stereotype be?
    Slightly more Catholic, slightly more socially conservative, slightly more hard-working, and slightly more hard-drinking than the natives?

    There’s plenty of hostility in the U.K. to EU immigration. That’s the reason for Brexit.


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