Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

PlaneSpeeking · 23-08-2018 01:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I knew about the partner, but what is her own record?

Handling stolen goods, being part of a theft ring - or is you believe her defenders "accidentally being in a car used for crime and she knew nothing about it and was just getting a lift home to her babbies".

Sweet.Science · 23-08-2018 01:45PM

Why does everyone have a right to be housed ?

Roof over your head with hot water, clothes and food yes

But housed ?

na1 · 23-08-2018 01:48PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

But housed ?

Housed close to your family, to be precise.

end of the road · 23-08-2018 01:50PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

+1,000!

Sweet Lord above - there's defending them and then there's "hun" worthy comments eh ???

Comment there about "if they don't have enough to live on, where will they get money ?"

WORK. Like the f**ing rest of us do!!!!

and again, work where? i thought we already established that the possibility of someone like miss cash being given a job by any employer is likely very very low?

seamus · 23-08-2018 01:50PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

No funny

Either you work when out of school or welfare is tied to staying in Education until at least the Leaving Cert

How does that work then?

Ms Cash's 8 kids don't finish school. And they have 8 kids each who don't finish school.

Now you have 75 people with no education and no support.

What now?

KrustyUCC · 23-08-2018 01:50PM

na1 wrote: »

Housed close to your family, to be precise.

Yeah apparently is awful to have to do a few LUAS journeys a day

Margaret Cash says she's dreading Luas trips to Tallaght after moving into new apartment on Parnell Street
Cash, 28, had made international headlines last week after putting up a photo of her kids sleeping in Tallaght Garda Station

After moving in yesterday, she told The Sun that she's dreading the schools re-opening as she'll have to make two round trips to Tallaght a day.

She said: “One of the kids will be starting school in September and when that happens I’ll have to get the Luas with all of them in the morning.

“What’ll there be to do over there so I’ll have to come back home and go back over to get him at half-12.

“Then I’ll have to come home again and go back over to pick the other ones up at three. That’s a lot of travelling to be doing, so it’s still not ideal. I can’t be complaining really, because it’s definitely better than nothing, but it’s still not a home forever.

She went on to say that a friend pointed out many boarded up houses to her in her native Tallaght, and she'd rather be out there.

“They could be used to house 40 families and no one is living in them. I’d rather be in Tallaght, but this will do for now.”

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/homeless-dublin-ireland-15045382

Sweet.Science · 23-08-2018 01:52PM

It will be some drop in salary for her when the kids turn 18 .

She may end up having over 20 kids to keep the income coming in

Sweet.Science · 23-08-2018 01:54PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yeah apparently is awful to have to do a few LUAS journeys a day

Margaret Cash says she's dreading Luas trips to Tallaght after moving into new apartment on Parnell Street
Cash, 28, had made international headlines last week after putting up a photo of her kids sleeping in Tallaght Garda Station

After moving in yesterday, she told The Sun that she's dreading the schools re-opening as she'll have to make two round trips to Tallaght a day.

She said: “One of the kids will be starting school in September and when that happens I’ll have to get the Luas with all of them in the morning.

“What’ll there be to do over there so I’ll have to come back home and go back over to get him at half-12.

“Then I’ll have to come home again and go back over to pick the other ones up at three. That’s a lot of travelling to be doing, so it’s still not ideal. I can’t be complaining really, because it’s definitely better than nothing, but it’s still not a home forever.

She went on to say that a friend pointed out many boarded up houses to her in her native Tallaght, and she'd rather be out there.

“They could be used to house 40 families and no one is living in them. I’d rather be in Tallaght, but this will do for now.”

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/homeless-dublin-ireland-15045382

Couldnt just move them to a school in town

The council really cant give in to her demands - it would open up an almight can of worms for them

KrustyUCC · 23-08-2018 01:55PM

seamus wrote: »

How does that work then?

Ms Cash's 8 kids don't finish school. And they have 8 kids each who don't finish school.

Now you have 75 people with no education and no support.

What now?

The lack of welfare payments should encourage Ms Cashs kids to finish school and hopefully make better choices than she did

That way her 8 don't have 8 who don't go on to have 8 more etc

Not very good parenting if all her kids don't finish school and yet will be rewarded like Margaret is

Society needs to break the cycle somehow.

Spanish Eyes · 23-08-2018 01:55PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yeah apparently is awful to have to do a few LUAS journeys a day

Margaret Cash says she's dreading Luas trips to Tallaght after moving into new apartment on Parnell Street
Cash, 28, had made international headlines last week after putting up a photo of her kids sleeping in Tallaght Garda Station

After moving in yesterday, she told The Sun that she's dreading the schools re-opening as she'll have to make two round trips to Tallaght a day.

She said: “One of the kids will be starting school in September and when that happens I’ll have to get the Luas with all of them in the morning.

“What’ll there be to do over there so I’ll have to come back home and go back over to get him at half-12.

“Then I’ll have to come home again and go back over to pick the other ones up at three. That’s a lot of travelling to be doing, so it’s still not ideal. I can’t be complaining really, because it’s definitely better than nothing, but it’s still not a home forever.

She went on to say that a friend pointed out many boarded up houses to her in her native Tallaght, and she'd rather be out there.

“They could be used to house 40 families and no one is living in them. I’d rather be in Tallaght, but this will do for now.”

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/homeless-dublin-ireland-15045382

I thought she owned and drove a Mercedes, but I suppose she has the free travel for the lot of them anyway.

KrustyUCC · 23-08-2018 01:58PM

She definitely has some car anyway

TRESPASSING ARREST Homeless mum Margaret Cash tells how she was arrested after trying to live in caravan in abandoned yard

Margaret and her kids made international headlines this week after she released photos of her family having to sleep overnight on hard chairs in a Garda station

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https://www.thesun.ie/news/2972064/homeless-mum-margaret-cash-arrested-caravan/

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 23-08-2018 01:58PM

seamus wrote: »

This claim that removing social welfare will cause smaller families in welfare-dependent families is demonstrably false.

Nonsense. I'd point to the literature on the family cap policies that were part of Bill Clinton's mid-'90s welfare reforms in the US. Designed to reduce welfare incentives to have larger families, these family caps have indeed been found in some studies to affect fertility behavior; other studies have cast doubts on their effectiveness. However, I'd note that the cash and in-kind assistance available in the US to mothers is arguably too small to significantly affect fertility behavior, leading to natural ambiguity over whether capping welfare works as a deterrent. The incentives for welfare-dependent families to have more children are much larger in Ireland, especially when eligibility for public housing is factored in, and thus one would expect the behavioral effect to be greater. In any case, the best one can say is that the evidence for benefit caps reducing fertility in welfare-dependent populations is inconclusive -- but it's very far from "demonstrably false."

It's evident that someone in Ms. Cash's position would not have had 7 kids by age 28 if her reproductive behavior were not being encouraged and rewarded by the state. To pretend otherwise is disingenuous.

mickrock · 23-08-2018 02:02PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

WORK. Like the f**ing rest of us do!!!!

If everyone "worked" like you (i.e. spending all day posting on boards) nothing would get done in this country.

PlaneSpeeking · 23-08-2018 02:05PM

end of the road wrote: »

and again, work where? i thought we already established that the possibility of someone like miss cash being given a job by any employer is likely very very low?

"We" established nothing. You suggested that ad nauseum.

seamus · 23-08-2018 02:05PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

The lack of welfare payments should encourage Ms Cashs kids to finish school and hopefully make better choices than she did

Considering you can't even begin claiming welfare until you turn 18, that seems kind of difficult. You've got a chicken-and-egg scenario going on where you think a teenager will have the foresight to finish education in order to claim welfare payments. If they won't finish education to go get a job, why would they do it to claim welfare?

It's novel, I'll give you that.

Perhaps we should offer a bonus incentive; €500 cash tax-free on successful completion of a leaving cert, and up to €600 more based on the no. of points you get.

After all, the goal here is not to get people onto social welfare, but to get them off it, by educating them. A single clear goal like a cash incentive might be just the thing to drive welfare dependents to continue their education.

PlaneSpeeking · 23-08-2018 02:07PM

That’s a lot of travelling to be doing .......

Oh the joys!!!!!!

PlaneSpeeking · 23-08-2018 02:10PM

seamus wrote: »

Considering you can't even begin claiming welfare until you turn 18, that seems kind of difficult. You've got a chicken-and-egg scenario going on where you think a teenager will have the foresight to finish education in order to claim welfare payments. If they won't finish education to go get a job, why would they do it to claim welfare?

If only there was a set of adults to help lead them in that path until 18.

We could perhaps call them "parents" ? Not in her case, granted.

Why are we so quick to excuse this behaviour and reward it ?

seamus · 23-08-2018 02:12PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

If only there was a set of adults to help lead them in that path until 18.

We could perhaps call them "parents" ? Not in her case, granted.

Why are we so quick to excuse this behaviour and reward it ?

Blind leading the blind. "I never needed no leaving cert and I turned out grand, why would you need it?".

Again, it's like telling someone to save themselves from drowning while you're standing on their head.

Why are you so eager to punish children for having crap parents?

end of the road · 23-08-2018 02:13PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

The lack of welfare payments should encourage Ms Cashs kids to finish school and hopefully make better choices than she did

thousands of years and poor countries with no wellfare systems would likely suggest that this is unlikely to happen.

Judson Calm Remote wrote: »

It's evident that someone in Ms. Cash's position would not have had 7 kids by age 28 if her reproductive behavior were not being encouraged and rewarded by the state. To pretend otherwise is disingenuous.

except it doesn't seem to be evident at all. it seems to be more wishful thinking.

PlaneSpeeking · 23-08-2018 02:16PM

seamus wrote: »

Blind leading the blind. "I never needed no leaving cert and I turned out grand, why would you need it?".

Again, it's like telling someone to save themselves from drowning while you're standing on their head.

Once again missing the point there.

Welfare reductions/limitations/sanctions brought in with plenty of advance notice, signal the end of the gravy train for the scrounging class - get in their heads that the money will grind to a halt unless they meet certain criteria.

Get the media to FINALLY tell the truth and shame this freeloading scum.

The idiot TDs who cheerlead them will never get a sniff of Government so they can whine all they want.

Will take a full generation to do but a small price to pay for a good result.

PlaneSpeeking · 23-08-2018 02:17PM

end of the road wrote: »

thousands of years and poor countries with no wellfare systems would likely suggest that this is unlikely to happen.

except it doesn't seem to be evident at all. it seems to be more wishful thinking.

I'll bite - what is your solution to this ?

Leo tells you he's busy and to get it fixed - what's the EOTR solution ?

joey100 · 23-08-2018 02:19PM

What's the certain criteria they need to hit in order to get welfare? Who decides?

end of the road · 23-08-2018 02:21PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I'll bite - what is your solution to this ?

Leo tells you he's busy and to get it fixed - what's the EOTR solution ?

education. bring down the cost of living so that work actually does pay.

seamus · 23-08-2018 02:23PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Welfare reductions/limitations/sanctions brought in with plenty of advance notice, signal the end of the gravy train for the scrounging class - get in their heads that the money will grind to a halt unless they meet certain criteria.

...

Will take a full generation to do but a small price to pay for a good result.

What result? What do you think will be the outcome here?

Do you believe that people with little education and complete dependence on the state will pull themselves up by their own bootstraps?

PlaneSpeeking · 23-08-2018 02:23PM

end of the road wrote: »

education. bring down the cost of living so that work actually does pay.

How ?

Nermal · 23-08-2018 02:24PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Why does everyone have a right to be housed ?

Roof over your head with hot water, clothes and food yes

But housed ?

It is a recipe for disaster to give someone a constitutional right that can only be met by taking resources from everyone else. What happens when resources run out?

PlaneSpeeking · 23-08-2018 02:26PM

seamus wrote: »

What result? What do you think will be the outcome here?

Do you believe that people with little education and complete dependence on the state will pull themselves up by their own bootstraps?

When it finally gets through their thick heads that they have no other choice, yes.

I didn't say it would be easy and I did say it would take a generation.

Why must we accept these people have "little education" ?

Link benefits to school attendance/test and exam results.

Would you rather not try ? We'll be bankrupt in a generation rather than fixed.

neris · 23-08-2018 02:34PM

seamus wrote: »

Blind leading the blind. "I never needed no leaving cert and I turned out grand, why would you need it?".

Again, it's like telling someone to save themselves from drowning while you're standing on their head.

Why are you so eager to punish children for having crap parents?

chances are her parents were crap parents, shes a crap irresponsible parent and her 7 kids are going to be crap parents spawning numerous more spongers who in turn will be crap parents

seamus · 23-08-2018 02:35PM

Why must we accept these people have "little education" ?

Chicken and egg. Someone who is uneducated doesn't value education. We don't have to "accept" it, but we have to acknowledge that they're not going to go and voluntarily get educated.

Link benefits to school attendance/test and exam results.

I refer you to the discussion upthread. That seems a bit circular. If someone had the foresight to go to school, they're less likely to need welfare in the first place. You haven't eliminated the poverty trap, you've just made the walls higher.

Would you rather not try ? We'll be bankrupt in a generation rather than fixed.

I didn't say "don't try". Your worries are a bit hyperbolic tbh.

The majority of social protection's budget is not being spent on the likes of Ms Cash. Even if we eliminated all systemic abuses like hers, it would barely cause a nick in the DSP's budget.

Sardine · 23-08-2018 03:38PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Once again missing the point there.

Welfare reductions/limitations/sanctions brought in with plenty of advance notice, signal the end of the gravy train for the scrounging class - get in their heads that the money will grind to a halt unless they meet certain criteria.

Get the media to FINALLY tell the truth and shame this freeloading scum.

The idiot TDs who cheerlead them will never get a sniff of Government so they can whine all they want.

Will take a full generation to do but a small price to pay for a good result.

None of the things you've suggested in the thread will ever happen. I mean I'd like to see an end to freeloading too, but you're basically talking about a fantasy, so you may as well discuss realistic options, unless you try and get elected into a seat yourself.

Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

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