Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

Uriel. · 23-08-2018 11:05AM

seamus wrote: »

You see, the problem here is that while on paper it works, it's not possible to make it work perfectly. There will always be cracks and exceptions.

Let's take examples:

. Lovely idea. How do we achieve it in practice? How do we guarantee that nobody who works 40 hours a week will ever be earning less than someone "similar" on welfare, even by 50c? You can increase minimum wage or decrease welfare rates, but this still won't eliminate the edge cases - the people who are, for whatever reason, working 40 hours but earning less than welfare.

What is this achieving? How many people actually plan to have more children just to cash in on the child benefit? That is, versus the no. of people who have children and are dependent on the benefit?

If the aim here is to keep kids at school, is this the most effective method?
I would be more concerned that a parents' only motivation for sending their kid to school is the money they'll get back. That tells me there's a serious problem. At least if the parent can't be arsed, then these cases get flagged and sent to Tusla. If parents kick their kids out the door so they can cash in, then you're masking the issue and at-risk children get missed by the system.

Why would you be against capping child benefit at 2 or 3 kids? It would help discourage the wasters. I've always said child benefit should actually be aimed at middle to upper classes as we want to encourage those to have kids. We don't need to be encouraging in, any way, the likes of Cash to breed. The kids may be innocent, but the reality of it is that they will be tomorrow's scrotes and we could do without that.

na1 · 23-08-2018 11:09AM

Uriel. wrote: »

they won't be handed additional supports during their poverty stricken elder years.

)))) This county will never stop supporting most vulnerable members of our society!
If you were hardworking all your life and paid taxes and also paid a fortune into a private pension fund, your generous pension will be taxed again.
If you've spent all your life "seeking for a job" and earned noting, making no pension contributions, the state will take care of you, no worries!

Pints? · 23-08-2018 11:09AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Sure the poor kids would be traumatised being taken from their mother

If only someone would give them their home forever then they can keep playing happy families esp when Daddy gets out of prison

They would be traumatised. As any child would. Would anyone disagree that it'd still be best for them in long run.

KrustyUCC · 23-08-2018 11:10AM

I certainly don't disagree with you

I can picture the media headlines though ... CHILDREN TAKEN FROM HOMELESS MOTHER

Nevermind that she can't support them or keep a roof over their heads

PlaneSpeeking · 23-08-2018 11:13AM

na1 wrote: »

)))) This county will never stop supporting most vulnerable members of our society!
If you were hardworking all your life and paid taxes and also paid a fortune into a private pension fund, your generous pension will be taxed again.
If you've spent all your life "seeking for a job" and earned noting, making no pension contributions, the state will take care of you, no worries!

So let's get this straight. I've paid comfortably into the six figures in the last decade in tax, PRSI and USC.

I'll now be asked to pay more in for pension.

More in again soon when we likely bring in the "Care Element" that the UK are building in to National Insurance - additional money to pay for elderly care.

Meanwhile - the likes of Ms Cash and her family will continue to take, put nothing in to the pot and will end up with everything we have to pay for.

The joke is that yes we may face a crisis relating to pensions but the answer is not to f**k over the workers already paying for everything, it is to wind in windfall payments to scumbags like her and her ilk.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 23-08-2018 11:19AM

Uriel. wrote: »

This is needed and relates in no way to this thread.

It's about time the pensions issue is addressed. Hopefully for those people that decide to opt out of the planned schemed they won't be handed additional supports during their poverty stricken elder years.

Of course it relates to this thread, you work you get hammered.

You do a Ms Cash you lap up everything the state has to offer through its welfare system and the same screwed workers are funding it.

One day Ms Cash will have her hand out for her pension that she’s ‘entitled’ to as well don’t you worry.

PlaneSpeeking · 23-08-2018 11:21AM

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

Of course it relates to this thread, you work you get hammered.

You do a Ms Cash you lap up everything the state has to offer through its welfare system and the same screwed workers are funding it.

One day Ms Cash will have her hand out for her pension that she’s ‘entitled’ to as well don’t you worry.

Who was it on here who posted the story of the Traveller nan in hospital getting a cake to celebrate her 100th grandchild ?

Now THAT will cause a pensions crisis.

PlaneSpeeking · 23-08-2018 11:22AM

Uriel. wrote: »

This is needed and relates in no way to this thread.

It's about time the pensions issue is addressed. Hopefully for those people that decide to opt out of the planned schemed they won't be handed additional supports during their poverty stricken elder years.

God yeah, just imagine getting something from the pot when you haven't paid in eh ?? Scandalous!

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

It is 100% related to this thread btw.

claiomh solais · 23-08-2018 11:24AM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Who was it on here who posted the story of the Traveller nan in hospital getting a cake to celebrate her 100th grandchild ?

Now THAT will cause a pensions crisis.

100 grandchildren is pretty amazing in fairness!

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 23-08-2018 11:27AM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Who was it on here who posted the story of the Traveller nan in hospital getting a cake to celebrate her 100th grandchild ?

Now THAT will cause a pensions crisis.

claiomh solais wrote: »

100 grandchildren is pretty amazing in fairness!

At the rate Ms Cash is going her offspring will be well able to reproduce 100 combined.

PlaneSpeeking · 23-08-2018 11:27AM

claiomh solais wrote: »

100 grandchildren is pretty amazing in fairness!

To a normal person yeah, but I'd say our Ms Cash will have that before the menopause hits.

seamus · 23-08-2018 11:27AM

Uriel. wrote: »

Why would you be against capping child benefit at 2 or 3 kids? It would help discourage the wasters.

Would it?

The evidence thus far from hundreds of thousands of years of human society is that there is no causative link between income and number of children. People continue having children whether they can afford to or not.

I'm not "against" capping child benefit at 2 or 3 kids - if it can be shown that doing so will be a net positive for society.

It seems to me that capping child benefit won't stop the likes of Cash from breeding, but it will cause them to go further into poverty, and further into criminality.

Worse, it may discourage productive members of society from having additional children/taxpayers/pension pots.

I don't see how it solves anything.

Beechwoodspark · 23-08-2018 11:34AM

When I saw the story about this yokes own criminal record and then to see what her partner did I lost ALL sympathy

KrustyUCC · 23-08-2018 11:37AM

Media brushed over that part of the story nicely

As did Margaret by insisting that the husband "He's not relevant."

Patrick2010 · 23-08-2018 11:38AM

What did her partner do?

KrustyUCC · 23-08-2018 11:40AM

Speaking to the Sunday World, she said: "He's not on the scene. I separated from him last year."

The 28-year-old's former long-term partner, John McCarthy, was remanded in the custody of Cloverhill Prison on July 25.

He is facing charges of assault at Westmoreland Street on June 24, engaging in threatening, abusive or insulting behaviour and possession of an offensive weapon, involving a sharpened tent spike.

https://www.herald.ie/news/mum-and-six-kids-forced-to-sleep-in-garda-station-given-beds-by-a-charity-37209313.html

PlaneSpeeking · 23-08-2018 11:41AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Speaking to the Sunday World, she said: "He's not on the scene. I separated from him last year."

The 28-year-old's former long-term partner, John McCarthy, was remanded in the custody of Cloverhill Prison on July 25.

He is facing charges of assault at Westmoreland Street on June 24, engaging in threatening, abusive or insulting behaviour and possession of an offensive weapon, involving a sharpened tent spike.

https://www.herald.ie/news/mum-and-six-kids-forced-to-sleep-in-garda-station-given-beds-by-a-charity-37209313.html

Reading that, she is still being looked after by Inner City Helping Homeless.

How much in funds for the genuine homeless is this one hoovering up ????

Sickening.

KrustyUCC · 23-08-2018 11:42AM

That's an old article before she got the apartment

PlaneSpeeking · 23-08-2018 11:42AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

That's an old article before she got the apartment

Thank God!

Guy:Incognito · 23-08-2018 11:53AM

seamus wrote: »

I'm not "against" capping child benefit at 2 or 3 kids - if it can be shown that doing so will be a net positive for society.

It seems to me that capping child benefit won't stop the likes of Cash from breeding, but it will cause them to go further into poverty, and further into criminality.
.

Do you reckon criminals sit at home with their spreadsheets open, listing all their expenditure and then have a column of income, starting with "social welfare - 350", then just head out and Rob whatever the have to to make up the difference?

na1 · 23-08-2018 12:21PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Do you reckon criminals sit at home with their spreadsheets open, listing all their expenditure and then have a column of income, starting with "social welfare - 350", then just head out and Rob whatever the have to to make up the difference?

Lets pay each criminal as soon as they out the gate a 50k p.a.
The crime problem solved!

PlaneSpeeking · 23-08-2018 12:22PM

na1 wrote: »

Lets pay each criminal as soon as they out the gate a 50k p.a.
The crime problem solved!

And some sort of allowance for the childers as you know know, if we don't sure they'll be on the rob.

DebDynamite · 23-08-2018 12:28PM

Blazer wrote: »

In fairness they have to do something. By the time we all go to retire in 20-30 years we’ll be lucky if there’s anything for us. You look at how those on social are breeding and a huge percentage of those will follow on the same track looking for free money etc.
We’ll all need our own pension to even survive on a basic day to day existence.

There's been increases to the pension in the last two budgets. It's slowly reducing it they need to be doing if they say there won't be a state pension in 20-30 years

PlaneSpeeking · 23-08-2018 12:29PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

There's been increases to the pension in the last two budgets. It's slowly reducing it they need to be doing if they say there won't be a state pension in 20-30 years

So the near 50 years me dad worked and the 30 I've done so far should count for nothing come pension time ?

Where do you stand on other social welfare benefits ?

na1 · 23-08-2018 12:33PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

And some sort of allowance for the childers as you know know, if we don't sure they'll be on the rob.

"Hey, you underpaid me 100 euro this month, so I'm entitled for 2 street robberies and 1 criminal assault as a moral injury compensation"

Uriel. · 23-08-2018 12:33PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

God yeah, just imagine getting something from the pot when you haven't paid in eh ?? Scandalous!

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

It is 100% related to this thread btw.

It's not.
The pensions issue facing us is a massive thing and we've been needing to address it for decades. This proposal, on the face of it (details to be examined), is going in the right direction.

The issue of the welfare culture that we've created is a different issue but I get why people are reluctant to "buy into" a pension scheme proposal while the likes of Cash are seen to get everything for nothing.

I have no issue in tackling the welfare culture, in fact, I'd support moves to do something about, but at the same time we can't ignore the pensions problem either.

One thing I will say though, if we see across the board welfare increases in the budget, an increase in PRSI and the beginning of the development of an automatic pensions scheme then Leo and FG can **** right off, because I want to know where is the break for those who get out of bed in the morning - Leo's promise after all. Of course the leftist bull**** media weren't long about having a go at Leo for such a statement anyway.

Honestly the two biggest issues we have is the residual power of FF and the media. As far as I can see they all feel that money grows in trees and the money is there to be picked by the do nothings.

DebDynamite · 23-08-2018 12:35PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

So the near 50 years me dad worked and the 30 I've done so far should count for nothing come pension time ?

Where do you stand on other social welfare benefits ?

I don't agree with it at all. My question is, if they keep increasing it, how is there not going to be a state pension? At what stage are they going to start reducing it, never mind abolish it in favour of pension pot one has paid into over the years?

Uriel. · 23-08-2018 12:36PM

seamus wrote: »

Would it?

The evidence thus far from hundreds of thousands of years of human society is that there is no causative link between income and number of children. People continue having children whether they can afford to or not.

I'm not "against" capping child benefit at 2 or 3 kids - if it can be shown that doing so will be a net positive for society.

It seems to me that capping child benefit won't stop the likes of Cash from breeding, but it will cause them to go further into poverty, and further into criminality.

Worse, it may discourage productive members of society from having additional children/taxpayers/pension pots.

I don't see how it solves anything.

Let them go further into poverty so. Use the savings in benefit payments to provide a grant for permanent contraception and sort out our justice system.

It's a ridiculous sentiment where we admit we can't stop them breeding feral scum but at the same time just say, ah well we'll keep paying them for it anyway. It removes all personal responsibility and consequences.

PlaneSpeeking · 23-08-2018 12:36PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

I don't agree with it all, my question is, if they keep increasing it, how is there not going to be a state pension? At what stage are they going to stat reducing it, never mind abolish it?

Well if we take care of the wasters getting three times the average industrial wage for doing f**k all, perhaps those us who pay in for decades might get a pittance back ?

Uriel. · 23-08-2018 12:37PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

So the near 50 years me dad worked and the 30 I've done so far should count for nothing come pension time ?

Where do you stand on other social welfare benefits ?

Contributory pensions should increase and non contributory should stay static.

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