NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

SkepticQuark · 21-08-2018 12:58PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0821/986432-broadband/

"But for many the National Broadband Plan means little, with 18% not confident it will have any impact on them, and more than a third saying they know nothing about the plan.

The survey also found that a third of consumers here know nothing about the Government's National Broadband Plan, which aims to connect every premises to high-speed broadband."

Pique · 21-08-2018 01:58PM

Brilliant. Public apathy will be used in an attempt to justify wireless solutions.

garroff · 21-08-2018 02:10PM

Pique wrote: »

Brilliant. Public apathy will be used in an attempt to justify wireless solutions.

One third of the country don't know what day of the week it is. Pick any subject and you'll get same result.

ArrBee · 21-08-2018 02:52PM

Ultimanemo wrote: »

I wish
They don't use Vodafone network, Vodafone are so careful about their network contention, They use Three network and you get exactly the same speed and contention as Three PAYG € 20, I had Rural Wifi and Three PAYG € 20 sim card in two routers side by side, When I forget which one I am connected to I have log into the router and the only way I know is to look at the phone number.

They used to at the start of the year when I was looking into it.
They would use Vodafone for the small data cap plans and three for the larger plans.

I admit, I havent looked into it recently (since three went unlimited).

fergus1001 · 21-08-2018 07:24PM

Minister Denis said again today on the news that he hopes to make an announcement relation to the NBP in the next few weeks

Hopefully this is it now contract signed and let the work begin

Marlow · 21-08-2018 07:27PM

Nah ... it's just the announcement, that they made a mess of it and they've got to start over. They just haven't figured out how to hide it from the general public, yet.

/M

KOR101 · 21-08-2018 07:30PM

fergus1001 wrote: »

Minister Denis said again today on the news that he hopes to make an announcement relation to the NBP in the next few weeks

Hopefully this is it now contract signed and let the work begin

They must have everything in the bag at this point contractwise, otherwise they wouldn't be talking like this. Hopefully they have Eir onside as well.

westyIrl · 21-08-2018 08:01PM

Marlow wrote: »

Nah ... it's just the announcement, that they made a mess of it and they've got to start over. They just haven't figured out how to hide it from the general public, yet.

/M

Bah, Humbug! I really hope you're wrong on this occasion Marlow. I really do. Else I'll be :mad::mad: on my 1.5mb line for another few years at least.

KOR101 wrote: »

They must have everything in the bag at this point contractwise, otherwise they wouldn't be talking like this. Hopefully they have Eir onside as well.

You would think so and hope so. I haven't seen anything to suggest Eir are onside but I do share your hope. It's pretty quiet on the NBP news front these days so hopefully this time the issue does get sorted once and for all.

Blind optimism, maybe.

Jim

Cathbadhian · 21-08-2018 08:53PM

I just hope something happens... Are they going to stall until the minimum requirements are so laughably inadequate that they'll start from scratch?

Eir got within a mile of my house with their little black boxes on telephone poles. So close! For now, I have to go with Three (with contention from 8:30pm to 10pm kicking me back to 2mb maximum).

Ultimanemo · 21-08-2018 09:47PM

westyIrl wrote: »

Marlow wrote: »

Nah ... it's just the announcement, that they made a mess of it and they've got to start over. They just haven't figured out how to hide it from the general public, yet.

/M

Bah, Humbug! I really hope you're wrong on this occasion Marlow. I really do. Else I'll be :mad::mad: on my 1.5mb line for another few years at least.

KOR101 wrote: »

They must have everything in the bag at this point contractwise, otherwise they wouldn't be talking like this. Hopefully they have Eir onside as well.

You would think so and hope so. I haven't seen anything to suggest Eir are onside but I do share your hope. It's pretty quiet on the NBP news front these days so hopefully this time the issue does get sorted once and for all.

Blind optimism, maybe.

Jim

Every now and then it gets quiet for few weeks, Then a company pulls out

purpleisafruit · 22-08-2018 08:34AM

Cathbadhian wrote: »

I just hope something happens... Are they going to stall until the minimum requirements are so laughably inadequate that they'll start from scratch?

Eir got within a mile of my house with their little black boxes on telephone poles. So close! For now, I have to go with Three (with contention from 8:30pm to 10pm kicking me back to 2mb maximum).

Those black boxes!!! They converge within 1km of my little village on several approach roads but miss out the 100 or so houses built over the last 10 years in the village! There isn't an exchange here either so everyone relying on wireless options

ArrBee · 22-08-2018 10:37AM

purpleisafruit wrote: »

Those black boxes!!! They converge within 1km of my little village on several approach roads but miss out the 100 or so houses built over the last 10 years in the village! There isn't an exchange here either so everyone relying on wireless options

That has to be intentional, strategically I mean.
I don't see the business sense in getting that close to 100 houses which would likely cut of their right arm for a proper internet connection.

My guess is, it puts them in a better position than any competitor to access the last bunches of houses thereby reducing the business case any competitor would have and giving Eir more bargaining power.... But its only a guess.

purpleisafruit · 22-08-2018 12:05PM

ArrBee wrote: »

That has to be intentional, strategically I mean.
I don't see the business sense in getting that close to 100 houses which would likely cut of their right arm for a proper internet connection.

My guess is, it puts them in a better position than any competitor to access the last bunches of houses thereby reducing the business case any competitor would have and giving Eir more bargaining power.... But its only a guess.

We're officially in an NBP area so Eir aren't allowed to run that extra 1km. It's the most frustrating thing in the world!

tsue921i8wljb3 · 22-08-2018 12:17PM

purpleisafruit wrote: »

We're officially in an NBP area so Eir aren't allowed to run that extra 1km. It's the most frustrating thing in the world!

Do you mind saying where you are located? It seems a bizarre situation.

purpleisafruit · 22-08-2018 12:24PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

Do you mind saying where you are located? It seems a bizarre situation.

I'm in a little village outside Blarney in Cork. I've attached a screenshot from the NBP map, black dot is my little village

shigllgetcha · 22-08-2018 12:35PM

Well yeh, they reached out from the local exchanges and the village was left out because there's no exchange.

There were plenty of bigger towns/villages with exchanges left out.

The 300k is a quick sweep of everywhere that was cheap and easy to install. Id imagine the map wasnt even hand drawn, id imagine a programme drew the map

tsue921i8wljb3 · 22-08-2018 01:18PM

purpleisafruit wrote: »

I'm in a little village outside Blarney in Cork. I've attached a screenshot from the NBP map, black dot is my little village

Sorry I got the wrong end of the stick. I thought you meant that they had brought fibre through your village to service the outskirts. The village will be surrounded on all sides by fibre so hopefully enet can come to an agreement with eir and you won't be waiting too long.

Persiancowboy · 22-08-2018 02:02PM

purpleisafruit wrote: »

We're officially in an NBP area so Eir aren't allowed to run that extra 1km. It's the most frustrating thing in the world!

Sorry but that's a load of bo**ocks. NBP areas are so designated because the commercial players have indicated to Department that they will not be investing in them.....hence they are coloured orange on the intervention map.

The Department cannot and is not preventing any commercial player from deploying infrastructure and services in any part of the country it so wishes. If your home is not being covered commercially it is purely as a result of commercial decision and nothing to do with the "State" blocking it.

Ultimanemo · 22-08-2018 04:44PM

ArrBee wrote: »

Ultimanemo wrote: »

I wish
They don't use Vodafone network, Vodafone are so careful about their network contention, They use Three network and you get exactly the same speed and contention as Three PAYG € 20, I had Rural Wifi and Three PAYG € 20 sim card in two routers side by side, When I forget which one I am connected to I have log into the router and the only way I know is to look at the phone number.

They used to at the start of the year when I was looking into it.
They would use Vodafone for the small data cap plans and three for the larger plans.

I admit, I havent looked into it recently (since three went unlimited).

True, I contacted them and they said they use Vodafone network for 100G / month plan, which works out at € 40/ month for 18 months if you consider the promotional 9 months, while Vodafone charges € 45 / month for 150G and €55 / month for 250G, with 24 month contract, all in all Vodafone is better choice, It is not fair trade to mystify the atmosphere and confuse people then selling them the same product with another name. Imagine is doing the same, they call 4G "Fibre LTE"

ED E · 22-08-2018 04:46PM

Ultimanemo wrote: »

Imagine is doing the same, they call 4G "Fibre LTE"

Imagine and an MVNO are very different. They have their own network which IS 4G but ISNT part of the normal mobile system and uses a higher band than any of the three MNOs.

Ultimanemo · 22-08-2018 04:50PM

ED E wrote: »

Ultimanemo wrote: »

Imagine is doing the same, they call 4G "Fibre LTE"

Imagine and an MVNO are very different. They have their own network which IS 4G but ISNT part of the normal mobile system and uses a higher band than any of the three MNOs.

True, my objection is they say: connecting rural Ireland to fibre. it is not fibre. it is 4G

listermint · 22-08-2018 04:51PM

Ultimanemo wrote: »

True, my objection is they say: connecting rural Ireland to fibre. it is not fibre. it is 4G

It is 'connecting' you to Fibre though.

not via Fibre. It is 4G tech to a fibre back bone.

im not saying the marketing is right or wrong but its fairly accurate wording.

Ultimanemo · 22-08-2018 04:54PM

listermint wrote: »

Ultimanemo wrote: »

True, my objection is they say: connecting rural Ireland to fibre. it is not fibre. it is 4G

It is 'connecting' you to Fibre though.

not via Fibre. It is 4G tech to a fibre back bone.

im not saying the marketing is right or wrong but its fairly accurate wording.

Then everyone can say they are connecting people to fibre, I don't know much about technology but I guess every ISP is connected to fibre backbone somewhere.

Gonzo · 22-08-2018 05:04PM

Imagine isn't fibre, it's 4g wireless powered by fibre back-haul several km away from customers home. The Customer receives a wireless signal.

eFibre/FTTC/Sky/Vodafone FTTC isn't fibre, it's copper connecting to a cabinet that is powered by fibre back-haul. The Customer receives a copper connection.

Siro/Eir FTTH is a fibre cable running into a customers home and terminates on a wall near their computer. The customer receives a fibre connection.

Marlow · 22-08-2018 06:12PM

listermint wrote: »

It is 'connecting' you to Fibre though.

not via Fibre. It is 4G tech to a fibre back bone.

Any internet provider is on a fibre backbone by their "fibre powered" definition. Because the second your no matter how crappy internet connection hits the coast, it's on submarine fibre.

Imagine does NOT have fibre at the majority of their sites. They use additional licensed wireless links to get to fibre. Sometimes 50-100km away.

The same as any other rural fixed wirelss ISP or any of the mobile providers.

/M

pegasus1 · 22-08-2018 06:25PM

Imagine connecting you to fibre is fake news..:mad:

Marlow · 22-08-2018 06:33PM

pegasus1 wrote: »

Imagine connecting you to fibre is fake news..:mad:

It's not. It's a case of misleading marketing. The same as Eir calling VDSL "eFibre".

This is something, that should be sorted out by Trading Standards, but they don't care.

/M

smelly sock · 22-08-2018 06:50PM

Marlow wrote: »

It's not. It's a case of misleading marketing. The same as Eir calling VDSL "eFibre".

This is something, that should be sorted out by Trading Standards, but they don't care.

/M

Clever marketing id say. And i hate imagine.

9726_9726 · 22-08-2018 10:19PM

listermint wrote: »

It is 'connecting' you to Fibre though.

not via Fibre. It is 4G tech to a fibre back bone.

im not saying the marketing is right or wrong but its fairly accurate wording.

Dialup was connecting you to fibre.

And as Marlow says, your average Imagine site is not on fibre backaul. Most on PTP wireless. They used to use a cheap-ass Stratex re-brand, now back to the Israeli made Ceragon IP20C, which is a competent radio but it ain't fibre. So they aren't "bringing fibre" anywhere. Imagine don't own a single Km of fibre.

9726_9726 · 22-08-2018 10:31PM

purpleisafruit wrote: »

I'm in a little village outside Blarney in Cork. I've attached a screenshot from the NBP map, black dot is my little village

Looking at that on Google Maps, where are the 100 houses?

NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

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