RTE - 25 Irish People Defining Irish Culture 2018

Assetbacked · 21-08-2018 03:05PM #1

https://www.rte.ie/special-reports/defining-irish-culture/

I must admit I do not know who the vast majority of these people are. However, I feel that there should at least be a sportsperson (not McGregor), politician and perhaps a chef in the list.

On further reflection, this list contains 6 men and 19 women. That is peculiar, especially given the men that were selected. It is as if the list was created by a woman and one who is willing to promote mediocrity for the sake of the sisterhood. That could be just my fragile masculinity talking.

21-08-2018 03:11PM

It's been done

Wombatman · 21-08-2018 03:13PM

Would think the LON thread on here has contributed to her placing on the list. Must have had some analytics bot seeing her as highly influential given the number of passionate posts.

super_furry · 21-08-2018 03:15PM

It’s been done. Everyone had a whinge about there being a women or a feminist or someone that the After Hours group mind does not approve of, on it.

judeboy101 · 21-08-2018 03:18PM

No Margaret cash, and at least 3 of them aren't even Irish.

(Pressiner, Ronan and negga aren't Irish)

WoollyRedHat · 21-08-2018 03:26PM

judeboy101 wrote: »

No Margaret cash, and at least 3 of them aren't even Irish.

(Pressiner, Ronan and negga aren't Irish)

Born to Irish parents, moved back when she was 3 to be brought up in Carlow and then spent some of her teens in Dublin.. she's fairly Irish.

21-08-2018 03:27PM

judeboy101 wrote: »

No Margaret cash, and at least 3 of them aren't even Irish.

(Pressiner, Ronan and negga aren't Irish)

Nice angle, should give the thread some legs

judeboy101 · 21-08-2018 03:33PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Born to Irish parents, moved back when she was 3 to be brought up in Carlow and then spent some of her teens in Dublin.. she's fairly Irish.

Actually, born to Irish mother and british father. Born in USA and is a citizen and passport

judeboy101 · 21-08-2018 03:34PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Born to Irish parents, moved back when she was 3 to be brought up in Carlow and then spent some of her teens in Dublin.. she's fairly Irish.

Actually, born to Irish mother and british father. Born in USA and is a citizen and passport holder of the US. So technically has some Irish roots, like obama.

judeboy101 · 21-08-2018 03:36PM

riffmongous wrote: »

Nice angle, should give the thread some legs

Now that I look more at the list, the lassie from Londonderry and the woman from Belfast were technically born and their births registered in the UK.

Lux23 · 21-08-2018 03:38PM

You can only be Irish if you spend most of your time in a soccer jersey and go on your holidays to Courtown.

ohnonotgmail · 21-08-2018 03:49PM

judeboy101 wrote: »

Now that I look more at the list, the lassie from Londonderry and the woman from Belfast were technically born and their births registered in the UK.

and are thus irish citizens as much as the rest of us.

super_furry · 21-08-2018 04:01PM

Lux23 wrote: »

You can only be Irish if you spend most of your time in a soccer jersey and go on your holidays to Courtown.

Jimmyz 4 life yo!

judeboy101 · 21-08-2018 04:40PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

judeboy101 wrote: »

Now that I look more at the list, the lassie from Londonderry and the woman from Belfast were technically born and their births registered in the UK.

and are thus irish citizens as much as the rest of us.

They were born in the UK, they are Irish because the applied to be Irish under the terms of the gfa. I'm Irish because I was born in Ireland to parents who were born in ireland. Slight difference. 2 players can play for utd, one comes up through their school boy system and academy the other gets transferred in. They are both utd but slightly different pedigree.

ohnonotgmail · 21-08-2018 04:42PM

judeboy101 wrote: »

They were born in the UK, they are Irish because the applied to be Irish under the terms of the gfa. I'm Irish because I was born in Ireland to parents who were born in ireland. Slight difference. 2 players can play for utd, one comes up through their school boy system and academy the other gets transferred in. They are both utd but slightly different pedigree.

no, they are irish citizens by right. They are as much irish citizens as you are.

rossie1977 · 21-08-2018 04:49PM

judeboy101 wrote: »

Actually, born to Irish mother and british father. Born in USA and is a citizen and passport holder of the US. So technically has some Irish roots, like obama.

Obama doesn't have Irish parents, didn't live in Ireland since 3 years old or have a home here, doesn't have an Irish accent and isn't an Irish citizen so no nothing like Obama.

judeboy101 · 21-08-2018 04:53PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

judeboy101 wrote: »

Actually, born to Irish mother and british father. Born in USA and is a citizen and passport holder of the US. So technically has some Irish roots, like obama.

Obama doesn't have Irish parents, didn't live in Ireland since 3 years old or have a home here, doesn't have an Irish accent and isn't an Irish citizen so no nothing like Obama.

She has one Irish parent, not parents. She holds American citizenship. Tom cruise had an Irish accent in a movie, surely that's not Irish. Jeremy irons has lived in Ireland twice as long as Ronan has been alive, is he Irish? Same as day Lewis.

judeboy101 · 21-08-2018 04:57PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

judeboy101 wrote: »

They were born in the UK, they are Irish because the applied to be Irish under the terms of the gfa. I'm Irish because I was born in Ireland to parents who were born in ireland. Slight difference. 2 players can play for utd, one comes up through their school boy system and academy the other gets transferred in. They are both utd but slightly different pedigree.

no, they are irish citizens by right. They are as much irish citizens as you are.

Actually, they aren't. They have to fill out a form to get an Irish pps. I like all born in Ireland, was given one automatically at birth, I didn't have to ask for one. My name appears on no register that bears the stamp of the lion and unicorn. Everyone born in norn iron, even if they claim to be Irish, will have their name placed in the books of subjects of HM.

ohnonotgmail · 21-08-2018 04:57PM

judeboy101 wrote: »

She has one Irish parent, not parents. She holds American citizenship. Tom cruise had an Irish accent in a movie, surely that's not Irish. Jeremy irons has lived in Ireland twice as long as Ronan has been alive, is he Irish? Same as day Lewis.

She also has Irish citizenship.

ohnonotgmail · 21-08-2018 05:01PM

judeboy101 wrote: »

Actually, they aren't. They have to fill out a form to get an Irish pps. I like all born in Ireland, was given one automatically at birth, I didn't have to ask for one. My name appears on no register that bears the stamp of the lion and unicorn. Everyone born in norn iron, even if they claim to be Irish, will have their name placed in the books of subjects of HM.

A pps number does not make one a citizen. I wasnt given a PPS number at birth even though i was born in ireland to 2 irish parents. does that mean i am not irish?

rainbowtrout · 21-08-2018 05:01PM

judeboy101 wrote: »

Actually, they aren't. They have to fill out a form to get an Irish pps. I like all born in Ireland, was given one automatically at birth, I didn't have to ask for one. My name appears on no register that bears the stamp of the lion and unicorn. Everyone born in norn iron, even if they claim to be Irish, will have their name placed in the books of subjects of HM.

That they will, but doesn't mean they are not Irish. A baby born to two Irish parents in London for example and brought home a month later wouldn't have a PPSN automatically either, they would have to apply for one.

You don't actually have to be born in the 26 counties to have Irish citizenship.

Sardine · 21-08-2018 05:01PM

At least Saoirse has an Irish accent ffs. I met her once about 5 years ago and she was just lovely. I don't see how she defines our culture though.

RasTa · 21-08-2018 05:08PM

Negga has an Irish mammy and moved to Limerick when she was 4 where she grew up. Not sure how she isn't Irish

ohnonotgmail · 21-08-2018 05:09PM

RasTa wrote: »

Negga has an Irish mammy and moved to Limerick when she was 4 where she grew up. Not sure how she isn't Irish

She didnt automatically get a PPS number when she is born. that is the criteria apparently.

judeboy101 · 21-08-2018 05:11PM

RasTa wrote: »

Negga has an Irish mammy and moved to Limerick when she was 4 where she grew up. Not sure how she isn't Irish

She identifies as ethopian Irish. And has duel nationality.

judeboy101 · 21-08-2018 05:13PM

rainbowtrout wrote: »

judeboy101 wrote: »

Actually, they aren't. They have to fill out a form to get an Irish pps. I like all born in Ireland, was given one automatically at birth, I didn't have to ask for one. My name appears on no register that bears the stamp of the lion and unicorn. Everyone born in norn iron, even if they claim to be Irish, will have their name placed in the books of subjects of HM.

That they will, but doesn't mean they are not Irish. A baby born to two Irish parents in London for example and brought home a month later wouldn't have a PPSN automatically either, they would have to apply for one.

You don't actually have to be born in the 26 counties to have Irish citizenship.

I know that, but they aren't Irish. Same goes for Dev, neeson, fassbender etc. Foreign born Irish raised is not really Irish.

ohnonotgmail · 21-08-2018 05:15PM

judeboy101 wrote: »

I know that, but they aren't Irish. Same goes for Dev, neeson, fassbender etc. Foreign born Irish raised is not really Irish.

Your definition is at odds with the governments. and with reality.

judeboy101 · 21-08-2018 05:15PM

RasTa wrote: »

Negga has an Irish mammy and moved to Limerick when she was 4 where she grew up. Not sure how she isn't Irish

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

RasTa wrote: »

Negga has an Irish mammy and moved to Limerick when she was 4 where she grew up. Not sure how she isn't Irish

She didnt automatically get a PPS number when she is born. that is the criteria apparently.

No, the Po's is just an automatic right given to Irish born, its that she doesn't identify as Irish.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 21-08-2018 05:15PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

Obama doesn't have Irish parents, didn't live in Ireland since 3 years old or have a home here, doesn't have an Irish accent and isn't an Irish citizen so no nothing like Obama.

Obama is Irish like a Fitzgerald is Scandinavian.

There comes a time when the links becomes so diluted that it dies.

The Bush family have stronger ties for Christs sake.

ohnonotgmail · 21-08-2018 05:18PM

judeboy101 wrote: »

No, the Po's is just an automatic right given to Irish born, its that she doesn't identify as Irish.

she identifies as ethiopian irish. so irish.

judeboy101 · 21-08-2018 05:19PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

judeboy101 wrote: »

I know that, but they aren't Irish. Same goes for Dev, neeson, fassbender etc. Foreign born Irish raised is not really Irish.

Your definition is at odds with the governments. and with reality.

Governments change, reality is subjective. But when you are born in Ireland and registered at birth in the records of the republic, when you claim no kinship or loyalty to any other people or nation, then you are Irish.

RTE - 25 Irish People Defining Irish Culture 2018

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