Deirdre Jacob missing twenty years Today.

Laois_Man · 20-08-2018 04:34PM

Sofi1 wrote: »

Yes, but Deirdre would have had to know them well to get in a car with them. I think her circle of friends was almost all female. Maybe she would have gotten in a car with a male relative or neighbour, but for what reason? If, as you're suggesting, she went into her house, would she not have dropped her bag in the house, or changed her shoes, or created some trace of being there? Anything is possible of course, but not probable.

There was traces of her being there. She had been in the house all morning by herself before heading into town. The traces cannot be distinguished by the time of day they were made

As the article above shows, she seems to have very possibly gotten a lift into town earlier that day and whoever gave her it has never come forward. You have to admit that's a red flag! Who wouldn't come forward to help this family??

Ash.J.Williams · 20-08-2018 04:36PM

I'd be reluctant to believe a criminal confession after the trevor dealy situation last year

jonbravo · 20-08-2018 04:37PM

Sofi1 wrote: »

I want to believe it, as at least it promises some sort of answer, albeit a terrible one. The prisoner probably didn't have much to gain by saying it, but still, there's a skepticism there for me.

Who was Larry Murphy working for at the time!?
I've always been of the opinion...
That one of his co workers might be involved.
I find it very hard to believe a women can disappear in the blink of an eye by the hand,of just one person.
A couple or group she may/may not of known.

Laois_Man · 20-08-2018 04:40PM

Ande1975 wrote: »

Sorry, in what way? In that LM was living nearby?

Yes, Baltinglass is only 6.5 miles from Moone

Ande1975 · 20-08-2018 04:40PM

jonbravo wrote: »

Who was Larry Murphy working for at the time!?
I've always been of the opinion...
That one of his co workers might be involved.
I find it very hard to believe a women can disappear in the blink of an eye by the hand,of just one person.
A couple or group she may/may not of known.

From what I read, LM was self employed. Would go into towns looking for jobs. He was a loner so I guess, he'd work with some lads for a bit and move on or just work by himself. He abducted the business woman in Carlow by himself.
There was something about a connection with John Crear or something

freshpopcorn · 20-08-2018 04:43PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I'd be reluctant to believe a criminal confession after the trevor dealy situation last year

One of the the issues might be that sometimes criminals tell lies to people and the person coming forward beloved them.

jonbravo · 20-08-2018 04:46PM

Ande1975 wrote: »

From what I read, LM was self employed. Would go into towns looking for jobs. He was a loner so I guess, he'd work with some lads for a bit and move on or just work by himself. He abducted the business woman in Carlow by himself.
There was something about a connection with John Crear or something

Depends on the project he was working on... (LM)If multiple houses in on area could of taken time! Time enough to get to know victims by chance or by fate.
If indeed her sole friends were female... Then connections need to be addressed.

chicorytip · 20-08-2018 04:47PM

smelly sock wrote:

Which could lead you to believe that at the entrance of her home she got into the car of someone she knew. Hardly a stranger. Otherwise she was taken in broad daylight against her will. Murphy seemed to be a bit more calculating than that.

I presume her family home is located in a quiet, rural area. She was abducted/disappeared around 2 p.m., a quiet time of day. It would have been entirely possible for an abductor - having previously staked out the area - to have taken her suddenly without being noticed by either local residents or passers-by.

Ash.J.Williams · 20-08-2018 04:49PM

The first thing Larry Murphy did to his victim was smash her nose in with his fist... That should tell you how quickly he works...

Ande1975 · 20-08-2018 04:50PM

There have been conflicting statements about where and what time Deirdre was last seen.
Latest is on the grass verge of a road facing her house. Her father said is was a busy road but at 3pm end of July would it be with schools off?
If LM's drunken proposed reveal is to be believed, it sort of fits but she must have screamed and would have been heard?

Strazdas · 20-08-2018 05:13PM

I would think whoever took Deirdre would have been very familiar with Newbridge and all the roads in the area.

If you were going to abduct someone, you wouldn't go to a place you didn't know and weren't familiar with. You would be way outside your comfort zone and could easily get lost, increasing your chances of getting caught.

chicorytip · 20-08-2018 05:16PM

Ande1975 wrote:

Does anyone put any stock in the prisoners statement about the drunken fuelled suggested admission?

Ande1975 wrote:

I find it difficult to dismiss

The new information regarding the whereabouts of Trevor Deely came from a criminal source but was regarded as compelling enough for the Gardai to undertake an exhaustive search which yielded precisely nothing. Such intelligence sources tend not to be the most reliable.

smelly sock · 20-08-2018 05:16PM

Strazdas wrote: »

I would think whoever took Deirdre would have been very familiar with Newbridge and all the roads in the area.

If you were going to abduct someone, you wouldn't go to a place you didn't know and weren't familiar with. You would be way outside your comfort zone and could easily get lost, increasing your chances of getting caught.

Exactly. And a strange face would stand out more than someone you see around the area a bit.

jonbravo · 20-08-2018 05:17PM

Why did she Use/carry the bag she used that day!?
I mean was it stylish for the time!?
Thinking allowed...is all

Ok college books..!?
Was she selling something to pay for college!?
Helping a friend in need!?
How often was this bag used when heading to town!?

Sofi1 · 20-08-2018 05:19PM

Laois_Man wrote: »

There was traces of her being there. She had been in the house all morning by herself before heading into town. The traces cannot be distinguished by the time of day they were made

As the article above shows, she seems to have very possibly gotten a lift into town earlier that day and whoever gave her it has never come forward. You have to admit that's a red flag! Who wouldn't come forward to help this family??

They knew the clothes and shoes she'd worn and the bag she was carrying. If she'd come back in, it's possible she could have changed or left any of the above behind, or evening something like a receipt. A lot of traces could give a time stamp. Did she have lunch, would she have washed a plate and cup and left it on a draining board. Was bread missing, that sort of thing. Breakfast would have left a different trace, for example.

I'm inclined not to think she got a lift earlier. Would she not have mentioned something like that to her granny? That's the sort of chit-chat you'd have with your granny.
I do wonder if she didn't appear on any street CCTV before her walk home, but I think it could be possible that she walked in to town via the back street, where there might not have been CCTV at the time.

Ande1975 · 20-08-2018 05:21PM

I wonder would you notice a car following you on that stretch of road near her house.
Of the 25 min walk, how much of it is on a busy vs quiet road.

Sofi1 · 20-08-2018 05:24PM

jonbravo wrote: »

Why did she Use/carry the bag she used that day!?
I mean was it stylish for the time!?
Thinking allowed...is all

Ok college books..!?
Was she selling something to pay for college!?
Helping a friend in need!?
How often was this bag used when heading to town!?

Those cross-body messenger bag were all the rage at the time, and the CAT brand was popular too, although mainly for shoes. i had a similar one I used as a schoolbag, loads of people had them. Iirc, teenagers carried biggish utility-type bags a lot at that time for some reason, and not just for school. God know what crap we carried in them!

Ande1975 · 20-08-2018 05:28PM

Sofi1 wrote: »

Those cross-body messenger bag were all the rage at the time, and the CAT brand was popular too, although mainly for shoes. i had a similar one I used as a schoolbag, loads of people had them. Iirc, teenagers carried biggish utility-type bags a lot at that time for some reason, and not just for school. God know what crap we carried in them!

That's right! I used to have a backpack or a utility bag instead of a handbag for years. Talk about a blast from the past!

Sofi1 · 20-08-2018 05:29PM

Ande1975 wrote: »

I wonder would you notice a car following you on that stretch of road near her house.
Of the 25 min walk, how much of it is on a busy vs quiet road.

I'd say about 60/70% of it at the time was footpath and past shops, houses and housing estates, out past Newbridge College and eventually petering out into a more scattered rural landscape with a bungalows in a few clutches. Deirdre would basically have been following the direction of the Liffey out of Newbridge, but mostly not actually near the river.

Laois_Man · 20-08-2018 05:49PM

Sofi1 wrote: »

They knew the clothes and shoes she'd worn and the bag she was carrying. If she'd come back in, it's possible she could have changed or left any of the above behind, or evening something like a receipt. A lot of traces could give a time stamp. Did she have lunch, would she have washed a plate and cup and left it on a draining board. Was bread missing, that sort of thing. Breakfast would have left a different trace, for example.

I'm inclined not to think she got a lift earlier. Would she not have mentioned something like that to her granny? That's the sort of chit-chat you'd have with your granny.
I do wonder if she didn't appear on any street CCTV before her walk home, but I think it could be possible that she walked in to town via the back street, where there might not have been CCTV at the time.

Yet several people witnessed her walk home from town and not a soul saw her walking into town?

I'm not aware of any CCTV that caught her either walking home or walking into town. Any CCTV I know of was from Newbridge town center.

Strazdas · 20-08-2018 07:31PM

One question I'd have is how the abductor managed to subdue Deirdre while driving in broad daylight. Was she sitting in the passenger seat beside him? Did he imprison her in the boot?

In the case of Jastine Valdez, the abductor didn't actually manage to subdue her and people were aware what happened and rang Gardai.

Ash.J.Williams · 20-08-2018 07:38PM

Strazdas wrote: »

One question I'd have is how the abductor managed to subdue Deirdre while driving in broad daylight. Was she sitting in the passenger seat beside him? Did he imprison her in the boot?

In the case of Jastine Valdez, the abductor didn't actually manage to subdue her and people were aware what happened and rang Gardai.

I mentioned that earlier... Larry Murphys first contact with his victim was to smash her nose in...the abduction would take seconds

Are Am Eye · 20-08-2018 07:42PM

Strazdas wrote: »

One question I'd have is how the abductor managed to subdue Deirdre while driving in broad daylight. Was she sitting in the passenger seat beside him? Did he imprison her in the boot?

In the case of Jastine Valdez, the abductor didn't actually manage to subdue her and people were aware what happened and rang Gardai.

Not referencing this case but in the general it is certainly possible to abduct someone in broad daylight and has been done plenty and often. If you strike somebody hard(with or without an implement) they are disoriented and disabled long enough for you to either strike again or begin binding and gagging them. Throw them in the boot or the floor of a car or van. The perpetrator is obviously exposed for the 30 seconds or minute it takes to do that. But if they're not unlucky. The goal of the abductor in this situation is just to get close enough to the victim.
Thankfully such events and people are rare.

Strazdas · 20-08-2018 08:05PM

Are Am Eye wrote: »

Not referencing this case but in the general it is certainly possible to abduct someone in broad daylight and has been done plenty and often. If you strike somebody hard(with or without an implement) they are disoriented and disabled long enough for you to either strike again or begin binding and gagging them. Throw them in the boot or the floor of a car or van. The perpetrator is obviously exposed for the 30 seconds or minute it takes to do that. But if they're not unlucky. The goal of the abductor in this situation is just to get close enough to the victim.
Thankfully such events and people are rare.

Very rare thankfully. The chances of being abducted and murdered in Ireland by a random maniac are several million to one - there have been only a miniscule number of such cases since Deirdre went missing.

Ande1975 · 20-08-2018 08:24PM

A few times reading through boards, you get posters who live in the locality of Baltinglass or Carlow etc who can comment on what's going on in the grapevine which is great. Does anyone from Newbridge have a feeling of who could be responsible?

freshpopcorn · 20-08-2018 08:35PM

Ande1975 wrote: »

A few times reading through boards, you get posters who live in the locality of Baltinglass or Carlow etc who can comment on what's going on in the grapevine which is great. Does anyone from Newbridge have a feeling of who could be responsible?

I often wondered this as well.

I wouldn't be a million miles away from where Tina Satchwell is from and the vibe you get locally is kind of different to the one on here and you'd know more about the people etc.

Ash.J.Williams · 20-08-2018 08:40PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I often wondered this as well.

I wouldn't be a million miles away from where Tina Satchwell is from and the vibe you get locally is kind of different to the one on here and you'd know more about the people etc.

In what way?... I'm from West wicklow and work in carlow... In work Larry is known as "your mate"

Sofi1 · 20-08-2018 08:46PM

Ande1975 wrote: »

That's right! I used to have a backpack or a utility bag instead of a handbag for years. Talk about a blast from the past!

When I think about it, we probably had more stuff to carry than a teenager today? If you had a discman or walkman (were they on the way out then?), you needed CDs or tapes with you. You might want to carry a magazine or book to read at some stage in the day if you had to wait somewhere, no smartphone to stare at!

Laois_Man wrote: »

I'm not aware of any CCTV that caught her either walking home or walking into town. Any CCTV I know of was from Newbridge town center.

CCTV on the main street recorded her walking in the direction of home, going down the street at 2.35pm. The video was taken from Irish Permanent's cameras. Irish Permanent (now Permanent TSB) aren't based there anymore, and I can't remember where that was in the town at the time, maybe across from the Garda Station or the Riverbank theatre at the bottom end of the main street.

But I've never heard of CCTV recording her going up the street earlier. Maybe she didn't go up the main street, there are other routes up to AIB, which I think was her first stop.

Sofi1 · 20-08-2018 08:48PM

Ande1975 wrote: »

A few times reading through boards, you get posters who live in the locality of Baltinglass or Carlow etc who can comment on what's going on in the grapevine which is great. Does anyone from Newbridge have a feeling of who could be responsible?

I'm from the Newbridge area. Pretty much everyone thinks LM.

freshpopcorn · 20-08-2018 08:48PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

In what way?... I'm from West wicklow and work in carlow... In work Larry is known as "your mate"

I'd know what Tina's family would be like in general and what is said in the area.

Deirdre Jacob missing twenty years Today.

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