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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,366 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    Just used a tool called google which shows a few different sources stating the €14m. I'm not sure why you would claim the €14m couldn't be further from the truth, he signed on a Bosman in 2004...rumored to have got a substantial signing on fee and was on £25,000 a week thereafter.


    and he would have earned nothing like that after he left sunderland. I doubt he even earned 14M in his career never mind left that in his will.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,575 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    manonboard wrote: »
    Its a very odd view to think things would be better or not without religion.

    Religion WAS the creation of man trying to understand the world and make sense of it. It was/is a means of tribalism and control. It still offers purpose to people.

    It makes no sense at all to think of man in the past without religion as it was the expression of his curiosity, logic, observations, culture, history.

    It would be like saying emotion is the cause of most violence and we'd be better off without it. Its an integral part of our species especially in the past.

    We have many things in our current culture that act like religion that have different names. Our beliefs have moved on to things more proven in science, yet the approach we take to many components of those findings are the same approaches that created religion.

    Curiosity, logic and observation have absolutely no place in religion.
    Ask Galileo, he knows a thing or two about it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    and he would have earned nothing like that after he left sunderland. I doubt he even earned 14M in his career never mind left that in his will.

    Unless the poster is his account or executor - not giving that crap the time of day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,833 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Either share with the class or withdraw. Poisonous attitude that.

    What's poisonous about it?

    So...
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2370917/Bold-United-wrest-Miller-from-Celtic.html

    This was in 2004. He's starting with United on £25,000 a week. Keane Signed him for Sunderland in 2006 so he actually probably went up in wages. Being conservative that's five years at £1.3m straight away. This excludes a signing on bonus for both United and Sunderland and converting it back into euro (being super generous at todays rate) brings you to half the 14m straight away.


    https://www.idolnetworth.com/liam-miller-net-worth-164085

    Could you withdraw your poisonous comment please?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,387 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    What's poisonous about it?

    So...
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2370917/Bold-United-wrest-Miller-from-Celtic.html

    This was in 2004. He's starting with United on £25,000 a week. Keane Signed him for Sunderland in 2006 so he actually probably went up in wages. Being conservative that's five years at £1.3m straight away. This excludes a signing on bonus for both United and Sunderland and converting it back into euro (being super generous at todays rate) brings you to half the 14m straight away.


    https://www.idolnetworth.com/liam-miller-net-worth-164085

    Could you withdraw your poisonous comment please?

    You're pathetic and you just need to stop now.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    What's poisonous about it?

    So...
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2370917/Bold-United-wrest-Miller-from-Celtic.html

    This was in 2004. He's starting with United on £25,000 a week. Keane Signed him for Sunderland in 2006 so he actually probably went up in wages. Being conservative that's five years at £1.3m straight away. This excludes a signing on bonus for both United and Sunderland and converting it back into euro (being super generous at todays rate) brings you to half the 14m straight away.


    https://www.idolnetworth.com/liam-miller-net-worth-164085

    Could you withdraw your poisonous comment please?

    No. You assume those figure are accurate; you assume he didn't spend any; you've no idea what his treatment in the US cost.

    Not withdrawing an honest thought. You've an agenda but I can't figure out what - yet.

    EDIT - that website is a complete joke! Scarlet for you using it as "proof".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,833 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    No. You assume those figure are accurate; you assume he didn't spend any; you've no idea what his treatment in the US cost.

    Not withdrawing an honest thought. You've an agenda but I can't figure out what - yet.

    Seems like you're assuming a lot as well, with no actual basis may I say.

    I've no agenda what so ever. People die every day of the week in Marymount. Probably one of the best and most underfunded services in the country. That's where I'll be making my donation to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,833 ✭✭✭JeffKenna



    EDIT - that website is a complete joke! Scarlet for you using it as "proof".

    The Daily Telegraph? List your source there...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    The Daily Telegraph? List your source there...

    The website, the second one.

    The Telegraph is a newspaper.

    I repeat if you are his accountant at time of demise, executor of the will or other professional and happy to breach professional ethics and GDPR to divulge the figure - that's one thing.

    You are not though and just mocking people wanting to pay tribute to someone they admired and help his children.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,833 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    The website, the second one.

    The Telegraph is a newspaper.

    I repeat if you are his accountant at time of demise, executor of the will or other professional and happy to breach professional ethics and GDPR to divulge the figure - that's one thing.

    You are not though and just mocking people wanting to pay tribute to someone they admired and help his children.

    How am I mocking people? I clearly stated that my publically unacceptable opinion was that I don't support having a fundraising match for an individual who died with a substantial amount of money to his name. If this game was a tribute match with all the proceeds going to charity then that would be a very different matter.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    How am I mocking people? I clearly stated that my publically unacceptable opinion was that I don't support having a fundraising match for an individual who died with a substantial amount of money to his name with possibly some money but I really have zero idea. If this game was a tribute match with all the proceeds going to charity then that would be a very different matter.

    Fixed that there.

    Done with you now, life is too short to waste.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,833 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Fixed that there.

    Done with you now, life is too short to waste I've lost my argument

    ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,366 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    What's poisonous about it?

    So...
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2370917/Bold-United-wrest-Miller-from-Celtic.html

    This was in 2004. He's starting with United on £25,000 a week. Keane Signed him for Sunderland in 2006 so he actually probably went up in wages. Being conservative that's five years at £1.3m straight away. This excludes a signing on bonus for both United and Sunderland and converting it back into euro (being super generous at todays rate) brings you to half the 14m straight away.


    https://www.idolnetworth.com/liam-miller-net-worth-164085

    Could you withdraw your poisonous comment please?


    Even if we accept those figures at face value that leaves him at 7M by the time he leaves sunderland. The rest of his career was spent in much smaller clubs in smaller leagues that dont pay anything close to that. Where is the other 7M coming from? And of course you have to subtract what he spent during his career. How does that leave him with 14M at the end?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,707 ✭✭✭valoren


    Hibernian, Cork City and a bunch of Australian clubs. No way was he even close to being on 25k a week at any of those clubs and that's practically half his career.

    Don't forget even if it was £25k per week then that would have been the Gross amount. The tax would have been between 40-50% on the £25k per week as well. So if I signed a 3 year contract on £25k per week, I come out with £1.95 million after tax. Modest enough wage for top tier football.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Even if we accept those figures at face value that leaves him at 7M by the time he leaves sunderland. The rest of his career was spent in much smaller clubs in smaller leagues that dont pay anything close to that. Where is the other 7M coming from? And of course you have to subtract what he spent during his career. How does that leave him with 14M at the end?

    Interesting to note what the cancer treatment cost in the US but that is no one's darned business!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,366 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Interesting to note what the cancer treatment cost in the US but that is no one's darned business!


    I think the only answer to that is "a lot".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,006 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Pure sarcasm at the expense of those comparing my faith to a scam like Scientology.

    There's really very little difference.

    Undividual wrote: »
    So could someone decide that football stadiums, cinemas or restaurants are redundant also?

    If they're not making efficient use of the site they're on, then yes.

    But playing football, going to the cinema or eating out use far less land and are not activities which are dying on their arse.

    Heavy property taxes are needed to ensure that properties in important urban locations are used efficiently, or else sold to someone else who will. This is what they do in that bastion of communism, the USA.

    What gives anyone the right to tell someone else what should be done with their property?

    According to the constitution, private property can be seized in the interests of the common good on payment of compensation. Prime development sites in Dublin city are far too important to be wasted on a few old duffers hitting golf balls around.

    If the government wants to pursue the Catholic Church legally (which I would doubt they want to, given their own complicity) and sue for Church land, that's fair enough.

    They should, but it'll never happen, just enforcing the ridiculously lenient compensation agreements the RCC signed up to seems to be beyond the will of politicians.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    I think the only answer to that is "a lot".

    Read a story once about a holidaymaker having her baby arrive prematurely and for the birth and two weeks' hospital care it was near as damnit 300,000 dollars.

    Mental that.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,575 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    Read a story once about a holidaymaker having her baby arrive prematurely and for the birth and two weeks' hospital care it was near as damnit 300,000 dollars.

    Mental that.

    The US is fcuked in the head anyway.
    Social welfare, healthcare, education and infrastructure for everyone funded by tax dollars is not only unpopular, it is vehemently and passionately hated and despised as an idea.
    The thinking is, all the opportunities are there, the American dream, from dishwasher to millionaire, yadda, yadda, so if you need money, work hard, get rich and you can have everything you want.
    And if you don't, you're lazy and stupid and don't deserve any help.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,289 ✭✭✭Trigger Happy


    Read a story once about a holidaymaker having her baby arrive prematurely and for the birth and two weeks' hospital care it was near as damnit 300,000 dollars.

    Mental that.

    Dumbest thing anyone could do would be to travel to the states with no travel insurance. Squinting at a hospital would cost ya.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Dumbest thing anyone could do would be to travel to the states with no travel insurance. Squinting at a hospital would cost ya.

    Yep!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,385 ✭✭✭Duffy the Vampire Slayer


    Plough up every golf course in Dublin for public housing, while you're at it. Full of old self-entitled farts who spend their days worrying about people wearing the wrong type of trousers while half arsedly hitting a ball around. Pathetic. .

    I actually agree that golf is a horribly wasteful sport. I would prefer if it didn't exist and the land could be put to good use. And people in the likes of Arizona wouldn't then be using scarce water to keep their stupid golf courses green.


  • Posts: 33,400 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I just think the term "disability" is being watered down hugely. I'd like to think that each case or claim is analysed on its individual merits but I'm struggling to see this. I know people on DA and they are literally taking the piss. 200 quid a week in their hand on top of their regular jobs. So they're able to work no problem but are still somehow in need of a hand-out at the same time? How does that work?


    I presume that you're totally ignorant about the well-established 'costs of disability' - the additional costs that people with disablities incur just to live. This could involve specialised clothing, assistive technology devices, or even something simple like the cost of nappies, which are very substantial for an incontinent adult. Check it out and let us know who exactly is 'taking the piss', beyond the nappies that is;


    https://www.rte.ie/eile/brainstorm/2017/1129/923751-the-hidden-cost-of-disability/


    Well the cases I'm referring to are most certainly not people claiming because of being overweight but other ridiculous reasons. This may be a short-sighted view but if you're collecting a full time wage you should not be entitled to DA. You've proved that you aren't reliant on DA by working full time. It serves no purpose. Only those who literally are incapable of working should be entitled to it. Enabling people only results in more laziness and scrounging.


    You didn't possibly think of checking out the actual conditions of Disability Allowance before you went accusing people of 'laziness and scrounging'?


    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/social_welfare_payments_and_work/disability_payments_and_work.html
    Disability Allowance: all earnings from rehabilitative work over €350 are assessed as income and your entitlement to Disability Allowance will be reduced in line with the appropriate reduced rates of payment for Disability Allowance. If you have no other means, the maximum amount you can earn is €432.50 and still keep an entitlement to the minimum personal payment of €3 (from 28 March 2018).


    So if you're earning working full-time and earning anything slightly over minimum wage, you get next to nothing on DA.
    Despite what I said earlier you have a limited point - being overweight is classed as a disability in the UK (I can't say I've heard of cases here) and as a big girl myself I find it abhorrent that others consider this a reason not to work.


    No, it's not. Extreme cases of obesity that have substantial, long-term impacts may be considered a disability in some areas;


    https://www.xperthr.co.uk/faq/is-obesity-a-disability-under-the-equality-act-2010/153953/

    I'd say they should be on a case by case basis - I've students I look after with autism and ADD/ADHD and they prefer parking on a higher level away from the crowds - parking next door would not be for them.

    Yet there are others who will need to be next door.

    Absolutely some emotional and psychological conditions should be covered.
    They ARE done on a case-by-case basis. Any application for a disabled parking pass involves GP confirmation of the medical need, on a case-by-case basis.
    Never understood why a disabled car in the Motability scheme in the UK covers epilepsy.

    My uncle had a seizure driving and crashed, once diagnosed his licence was pulled. I thought that the norm ?

    No norm - it's done on a 'case by case' basis again, with medical assessment of individual circumstance. And just for the record, having epilepsy does not create an automatic entitlement to a Motability vehicle. It's that old 'case by case' basis again, where if the impact of the disability on the person is substantial, they may well qualify. And Motability vehicles are not necessarily driven by the person with a disability. They may well be driven by a personal assistant or a family member, for the benefit of the person with a disability.
    Also that people need to accept responsibility for their actions. You are always to blame for the things you do. You weren't led astray, coerced, fell in with a bad crowd, had a tough life, too drunk to know better or any of the bullshít excuses people come up with, usually when you've been caught doing something you know damn well you shouldn't have been doing! You done it - your fault end of story!

    So just to be clear, the prevalence of heroin/opiate addiction in working class areas is all down to people making bad choices?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,387 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    All Saints were the best pop group of the 90s.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    All Saints were the best pop group of the 90s.

    And not B*Witched ? Ya mad b*****d!!!!! :D:D:D:D:D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 125 ✭✭CowGoesMoo100


    And not B*Witched ? Ya mad b*****d!!!!! :D:D:D:D:D
    What? Are ye serious?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    What? Are ye serious?

    Nah course not - I spent a lot of the 90s apologising on behalf of my nation!!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,810 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    So just to be clear, the prevalence of heroin/opiate addiction in working class areas is all down to people making bad choices?

    No the junkies are completely innocent, it's those pesky well to do professional types sneaking into shít hole estates and tricking the little angels into taking gear by telling them it's health food I'd say.:eek:

    Addiction stems from poor choices considerably more often than it does from wise choices - that should be fairly clear to us all, no?
    I'm no statistician, but I'd be fairly certain there is a direct relationship between poor decisions and poor outcomes.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 125 ✭✭CowGoesMoo100


    Nah course not - I spent a lot of the 90s apologising on behalf of my nation!!!!!
    I was being sarcastic referring to a line at the beginning of their most famous song. Don't ask how I know that...


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    If you're crossing Abbey St in front of the Grand Central and have a green man - if a cyclist hares towards you, you should be allowed to defend yourself as he us breaking the law and you are not.


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