Visting the Gaeltachts

badtoro · 15-08-2018 06:44PM

Sycamore Tree wrote: »

The Irish lobby is powerful though.

I agree completely about the signs, bilingual were grand.

On the Irish lobby, there are daily Irish speakers as a first language then there are the fanatics. For example I know we looked at getting our son into a creche but because I don't have Irish (but it's his mother's 1st language) our son would be segregated from children both of who's parents speak Irish.

Kinda puts signs in the ha'penny place.

Jimbob1977 · 15-08-2018 06:48PM

The Aran Islands

Connemara around Spiddal and Inverin

Ring in Waterford

Parts of Donegal

Dingle Peninsula

I'd expect some of these places are no longer Fior Gaeltacht, though.

retalivity · 15-08-2018 07:25PM

I can speak for Donegal, having grown up in the gaeltacht there.
The gaeltacht stretches round the coast from Rosapenna to Kilcar for the most part, with the exception of a few areas like Dunfanaghy, and Portnoo. By far the strongest areas where it is used daily are in Gweedore, Glencolumbkille, and parts of the Rosses & Cloughaneely either side of gweedore. Go into a pub round there at the weekend and you'll hear Irish spoken, young and old, and be answered back to you if you speak it as well. Ta neart thart ata ag labhairt gaeilge.

Was in dingle a few weekends ago, and was expecting to speak Irish, but didnt hear anyone speaking it at all. Prob due to the fact its a height of tourist season. For some reason iI thought the Kerry gaeltacht was bigger, but its really only the end of that peninsula.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 15-08-2018 07:28PM

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

The Aran Islands

Connemara around Spiddal and Inverin

Ring in Waterford

Parts of Donegal

Dingle Peninsula

I'd expect some of these places are no longer Fior Gaeltacht, though.

I'd go with that but take out Dingle where it only seems to be put on for the tourists.

zapitastas · 15-08-2018 07:30PM

Hector Bellend wrote: »

Oh no. I think it is.

I want to hear all about the widespread conversations that you've all been having with each other through the glorious dead language of Irish.

I'll just remove my head from my English speaking arse over here.

There are plenty of pubs where there are Irish nights where you can have a few drinks and converse in Irish. Is far from dead given the growing popularity of gaelscoils.

ArtyC · 15-08-2018 08:17PM

mr chips wrote: »

Ag bualadh feola = **** ("beating meat")
Buailteoir feola = wanker ("beater of meat")

It's actually fein truailliú

Which translates to self pollution

Best of luck OP , sad you can't ask a simple question
Without being subjected to a load of rubbish.

Had he asked where best to learn origami would
There be this abuse

boardise · 15-08-2018 08:53PM

Well there are probably more speakers of Origami .

mr chips · 15-08-2018 08:59PM

ArtyC wrote: »

mr chips wrote: »

Ag bualadh feola = **** ("beating meat")
Buailteoir feola = wanker ("beater of meat")

It's actually fein truailliú

Which translates to self pollution

Both are correct.:) "Féintruailliú" is the term used by those who would frown on such perverted practice, the other is the more informal/colloquial.

ArtyC · 15-08-2018 09:20PM

boardise wrote: »

Well there are probably more speakers of Origami .

Pissing around making paper shapes wouldn't
Get people's goats up like this, it's pathetic .

I don't particularly like darts, I don't bomb into
Any dart related discussion calling ppl out for
Liking it.

boardise · 15-08-2018 09:59PM

With all due respect ArtyC -the presence and impact of the game of darts is of an infinitesimal order compared to the presence and impact of the remnants of the Gaeltachtaí on the public discourse ,policy and national budget in the Rep.of Ireland. ..thus making your comparison a thoroughly inappropriate one.

benneca1 · 15-08-2018 10:07PM

boardise wrote: »

With all due respect ArtyC -the presence and impact of the game of darts is of an infinitesimal order compared to the presence and impact of the remnants of the Gaeltachtaí on the public discourse ,policy and national budget in the Rep.of Ireland. ..thus making your comparison a thoroughly inappropriate one.

Féin t*******dóir den chéad scoth

FunkyDa2 · 15-08-2018 10:26PM

mazwell wrote: »

I speak it. My family speak it. And everyone in my area speaks it.
Come to west Donegal op. I suspect well have a different dialect to yours but we'll help you out

Last week, I overheard two passing motorists, who had stopped at Magheraroarty pier, engaged in conversation "as Gaeilge". I have some "school" Irish, but I had difficulty following their chat. And they were locals, one in a Nissan Note, and the other in a Berlingo.

jimbobaloobob · 15-08-2018 10:36PM

OP worth listening to radio na gaeltachta too. You'll hear formal and informal Irish, basic stuff you can make out from listening to any radio station (people and song introductions). News and current affairs. This will all help with you learning, all the dialects aswell.

ArtyC · 15-08-2018 10:42PM

boardise wrote: »

With all due respect ArtyC -the presence and impact of the game of darts is of an infinitesimal order compared to the presence and impact of the remnants of the Gaeltachtan the public discourse ,policy and national budget in the Rep.of Ireland. ..thus making your comparison a thoroughly inappropriate one.

The OP wanted to know about which Gaeltacht would be best to practise in.

You know well what I meant, any thing mentioned
About the Irish language and there's nasty ass
Comments that aren't warranted for those who wish to
Learn or keep it. Why click on a thread if it's of no interest to you??
Money is pissed around in our national budget on worse than
The Irish language. It baffles me why it gets people's knickers in such a twist.

boardise · 16-08-2018 12:02AM

I'm afraid I must correct you there benny boy -the second element in the compound word you were searching for would be 'truaillitheoir' . You were ,no doubt, unsure of the structure and spelling -hence the unnecessary resort to a string of asterisks .
Should you need further help with any aspect of the history ,syntax , phonology, morphology or sociolinguistics of Gaelic -I shall be more than happy to assist in dispelling the fog of your ignorance...there being no guarantee at all,of course, that this might be accomplished.

LeinsterDub · 16-08-2018 03:23AM

mazwell wrote: »

You'd be wrong there. Speaking as a native speaker of Irish

Then you should be more understanding and attempt to help those learning. You're part of the problem

Sycamore Tree · 16-08-2018 11:51AM

ArtyC wrote: »

Pissing around making paper shapes wouldn't
Get people's goats up like this, it's pathetic .

I don't particularly like darts, I don't bomb into
Any dart related discussion calling ppl out for
Liking it.

Aragh will you give up your oul sins. This is After Hours, there is no need to be so precious.

boardise · 16-08-2018 01:16PM

Tráthnóna maith agaibh go léir a cháirde....

Just for a piece of crack/fun/divilment (sic)...here's a vocabulary 'test' for all you Gaelic enthusiasts.

How many of these words do you understand ?

Mainnitheoir ;Dreasacht ;Tíolaic ;Bonneager;Matán;Seachthoradh;Díolúint ; Antasubstaint ;Amhchamras;Fianán ?

I would have only got two myself.

If the OP is still looking in -I would suggest he try these out on any native speakers he happens across in whatever region he chooses to visit. It would be interesting to see what the best score might be.

feargale · 18-08-2018 02:04PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

They only speak it to get the free money and grants.

That would be highly unusual in this land of ours, somebody doing something for free money and grants.

Beanntraigheach · 18-08-2018 03:46PM

boardise wrote: »

Tráthnóna maith agaibh go léir a cháirde....

Just for a piece of crack/fun/divilment (sic)...here's a vocabulary 'test' for all you Gaelic enthusiasts.

Why do you consistently use "Gaelic" to refer to the language?

How many of these words do you understand ?

Mainnitheoir ;Dreasacht ;Tíolaic ;Bonneager;Matán;Seachthoradh;Díolúint ; Antasubstaint ;Amhchamras;Fianán ?

I would have only got two myself.

If the OP is still looking in -I would suggest he try these out on any native speakers he happens across in whatever region he chooses to visit. It would be interesting to see what the best score might be.

Would you expect that native speakers should know these words?
Most of them are recent coinages, used only by translators and those involved in specific fields.

For what it's worth, I (a learner) recognised Tíolaic and Matán. The meaning of Antasubstaint and Amhchamras was obvious enough. I understood the make-up of Bonneagar and Seachthoradh but had to confirm the exact meaning. Didn't know the others.

feargale · 23-08-2018 11:43PM

boardise wrote: »

Tráthnóna maith agaibh go léir a cháirde....

Just for a piece of crack/fun/divilment (sic)...here's a vocabulary 'test' for all you Gaelic enthusiasts.

How many of these words do you understand ?

Mainnitheoir ;Dreasacht ;Tíolaic ;Bonneager;Matán;Seachthoradh;Díolúint ; Antasubstaint ;Amhchamras;Fianán ?

I would have only got two myself.

If the OP is still looking in -I would suggest he try these out on any native speakers he happens across in whatever region he chooses to visit. It would be interesting to see what the best score might be.

Try these ones out to test somebody's fluency in English: patroiophobia, asseverate, formicary, kurash, acrotism, affiche, killock, alum, garrulous, knosp, conventicle, illecebrous.

Arcade_Tryer · 23-08-2018 11:47PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I can never fully understand how Hungary succeeded where Ireland failed.
It must be because of population size?
Or is it historical factors like how Irish was viewed as backward?
One of my Great-Grandfathers had no English!
It is kind of sad how a language can be systematically attacked, first by foreign powers then attacked by societal pressure.

Pressure to learn the language?

24-08-2018 09:25AM

The OP is doing in wrong, first off if they have a little bit of Irish join an Irish speaking group the type that meat for a coffee or a pint and a chat in Irish.

Going to Dingle and expecting to here Irish is maybe not the way to go about it either, did the OP greet anyone or start a conversation as Gaeilge?

feargale · 24-08-2018 01:38PM

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Pressure to learn the language?

OP opened this thread with a simple enquiry, to find the thread flooded with opinions on the Irish language and government policy on same. There are other threads for discussing those issues, and if they do not meet the naysayers' requirements they are free to open fresh threads. Their complaints are off-topic here and it is simply unfair to OP to flood his thread with this stuff. He has expressed no opinion on government policy and he is not responsible for it.

As another poster has aptly put it:

ArtyC wrote: »

Best of luck OP , sad you can't ask a simple question
Without being subjected to a load of rubbish.
Had he asked where best to learn origami would
There be this abuse

If OP expressed an interest in learning German would the sins of the Nazis be laid at his feet?
If he enquired about learning Latin would he be saddled with the clerical child abuse issue? Oh wait, boards being boards, and assóles being assóles he probably would.
Cop yourselves on for Christ's sake.

gormdubhgorm · 29-08-2018 12:18PM

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Pressure to learn the language?

Yes, Irish was viewed as the poor man's language and to be upwardly mobile people learnt English.
There is still a hangover of that attitude, where Irish is viewed as inferior to English by it's detractors.
(much as this thread proves)
When in reality it is just a language like any other.

When a person in Ireland wants to learn Irish he is generally laughed at by a certain cohort.
It is almost a reverse cultural thing similar to those who say they don't want to drink.
They are made to feel there is something wrong with them.
That is fairly pathetic in my view.
That is the societal pressure I am referring to.
I hope the OP enjoys improving his Irish and it should give him/her some insight into real Irish culture and heritage.
There are turns of phrase in Irish that are never the same when translated from Irish.
For me that is the fun part discovering another view of the world through language.
Good luck with it OP.

Taytoland · 29-08-2018 03:28PM

It's not Irish, it's Gaelic.

feargale · 29-08-2018 04:09PM

Taytoland wrote: »

It's not Irish, it's Gaelic.

Shows how much you know, Mr. Tattooland.

ConnyMcDavid · 29-08-2018 04:11PM

Unless you're going to school or mass you won't hear any Irish being spoken in a "Gaeltacht".

lmimmfn · 29-08-2018 04:26PM

ConnyMcDavid wrote: »

Unless you're going to school or mass you won't hear any Irish being spoken in a "Gaeltacht".

Lol@ignorance, nice trolling

jimbobaloobob · 29-08-2018 05:14PM

ConnyMcDavid wrote: »

Unless you're going to school or mass you won't hear any Irish being spoken in a "Gaeltacht".

you might think you were stuck in school or mass in my locality so. Nice unfounded opinion there though.