Deirdre Jacob missing twenty years Today.

dense · 15-08-2018 09:25PM

Just reading about Larry Murphy being released and how he was dividing his time between Holland France and Spain.

How can he finance that lifestyle?

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/paul-williams-how-larry-murphy-became-the-prime-suspect-in-case-of-missing-deirdre-37218712.html

freshpopcorn · 15-08-2018 09:41PM

dense wrote: »

Just reading about Larry Murphy being released and how he was dividing his time between Holland France and Spain.

How can he finance that lifestyle?

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/paul-williams-how-larry-murphy-became-the-prime-suspect-in-case-of-missing-deirdre-37218712.html

He probably tips around and gets bits of jobs here and there.
And his accomdation would be very basic.

dbas · 15-08-2018 09:47PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

He probably tips around and gets bits of jobs here and there.
And his accomdation would be very basic.

He's a carpenter by trade, but he's also a creeper and a stalker. He'd be well able to rob houses and disappear to the next town

freshpopcorn · 15-08-2018 09:49PM

dbas wrote: »

He's a carpenter by trade, but he's also a creeper and a stalker. He'd be well able to rob houses and disappear to the next town

It's just one way I suggested of course they could be criminality involved.

dbas · 15-08-2018 09:53PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

It's just one way I suggested of course they could be criminality involved.

I remember someone in south inner city pub telling me the Gardai were trying to house LM in Kevin St near the garda station. The locals went mad over it and he probably would have been hurt by them.
for all the anger in people at the time, I never actually heard of anything happening to him.
A wasted opportunity really

twill · 15-08-2018 09:58PM

Edgware wrote: »

And Joe O Really who murdered his wife Rachel had a relative who dodged a murder conviction on a legal technicality.

It wasn't on a technicality. The conviction was unsafe as the Heavy Gang literally beat a confession out of him (O'Reilly's relative) and there was no other evidence.

freshpopcorn · 15-08-2018 10:02PM

dbas wrote: »

I remember someone in south inner city pub telling me the Gardai were trying to house LM in Kevin St near the garda station. The locals went mad over it and he probably would have been hurt by them.
for all the anger in people at the time, I never actually heard of anything happening to him.
A wasted opportunity really

When he got released he was meant to have being in almost every town and village on Ireland. Strangely enough he had a thing about going to mass.

dbas · 15-08-2018 10:06PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

When he got released he was meant to have being in almost every town and village on Ireland. Strangely enough he had a thing about going to mass.

The fear in people at the time. I live 5 minutes walk from Arbour Hill so |I made sure to see his face so I'd recognise him if he was around.
Scumbag.
If there's anything to the Gardai's statements recently I hope he is locked up life. Him and Graham Dywer can touch each other in there, along with that Athlone rapist.
Chain gang until death would be too good for them

cameramonkey · 15-08-2018 10:08PM

twill wrote: »

It wasn't on a technicality. The conviction was unsafe as the Heavy Gang literally beat a confession out of him (O'Reilly's relative) and there was no other evidence.

True, people would have confessed to anything with those lads beating the crap out of you. They had a history of human rights abuses.

Woodbrook80 · 15-08-2018 10:11PM

Is he a suspect in the other girls too?

ACAguy · 15-08-2018 10:14PM

I find the whole upgrade to murder investigation and the media jumping on Larry murphy baffling.

1. If he was in the country and his prime suspect why hasn't he been arrested before that made this annoucement
2. If hes not in the country it would be stupid to make this public as he could go to thailand in the morning and never return.

What do they have that they are not saying? A body? A confession?

Surely if Mr X went to the police and said Mr Y did it they would have to prove she was dead before upgrading?

ACAguy · 15-08-2018 10:18PM

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/gardai-believe-publicity-murdered-deirdre-13087941

They want someone who knows something to come forward?

If they know who this person is why can't they be arrested for Witholding information

freshpopcorn · 15-08-2018 10:18PM

Woodbrook80 wrote: »

Is he a suspect in the other girls too?

Some yes and some no.
If you'd follow the cases and had an open mind. You could come up with your own conclusion.

OB1Kildare · 16-08-2018 01:21AM

this must be a living nightmare for the woman in carlow - it never goes away

LETHAL LADY · 16-08-2018 02:06AM

OB1Kildare wrote: »

this must be a living nightmare for the woman in carlow - it never goes away

I can't even begin to imagine what she went through. He deserves to be locked up forever for that alone. The fact that he was released in the first place says everything about our justice system.

Badly Drunk Boy · 16-08-2018 02:13AM

Sofi1 wrote: »

"He said: "Murphy was working in Roseberry the day before Deirdre Jacob went missing and that's more than a coincidence." (quote from Michael Sheridan, author of the book)

Does any other Newbridge head know if this is true? I had always heard that Murphy was doing carpentry work in Swifts (pub on the main street, just up from where Deirdre's granny's shop was at the time), but it's so hard to separate gossip and rumour from fact.

I had heard about the Roseberry thing but that might have been speculation because that was the last place she was seen (near her home). He was definitely working in the town at the time, though.

Not related to the Deirdre Jacob's case, but the sister of the girl I work with was in the same class as Murphy's son in secondary school. Apparently she thought he was very creepy, making macabre attack/murder-related jokes.

(That last bit can be deleted by Mods since the son wasn't accused of anything, apart for being a creep).

Edgware · 16-08-2018 07:27AM

twill wrote: »

It wasn't on a technicality. The conviction was unsafe as the Heavy Gang literally beat a confession out of him (O'Reilly's relative) and there was no other evidence.

He painted the victims flat, kept a copy of the key, went back to rob it when she went to work but she came back and disturbed him. It was the length of time he was being questioned without rest was the cause of dismissal not any alleged beating. Pop down to the Law Library and read the case decision. This was before the present rules came in. Joe is innocent as well I suppose in your eyes because he didn't get croissants for breakfast

smelly sock · 16-08-2018 08:50AM

Edgware wrote: »

He painted the victims flat, kept a copy of the key, went back to rob it when she went to work but she came back and disturbed him. It was the length of time he was being questioned without rest was the cause of dismissal not any alleged beating. Pop down to the Law Library and read the case decision. This was before the present rules came in. Joe is innocent as well I suppose in your eyes because he didn't get croissants for breakfast

Another garda foul up?

smelly sock · 16-08-2018 09:02AM

On 98fm this morning

Gardaiare profiling areas in wicklow amd the carlow laois border where Deirdre might be buried. But wont begin a dig until someone comes forward with info.

Go figure.

Beechwoodspark · 16-08-2018 09:17AM

Must say I’m puzzled by the Garda media strategy in this. Naming names etc at this stage seems very odd.

Especially given how the evidence at this stage 20 years since the disappearance would have to be extraordinary to secure a conviction

smelly sock · 16-08-2018 09:35AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Must say I’m puzzled by the Garda media strategy in this. Naming names etc at this stage seems very odd.

Especially given how the evidence at this stage 20 years since the disappearance would have to be extraordinary to secure a conviction

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.breakingnews.ie/ireland/gardai-consider-search-areas-in-two-counties-in-deirdre-jacob-investigtion-862511.html

Straw clutching is probably the most polite thing to say.

16-08-2018 10:51AM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Must say I’m puzzled by the Garda media strategy in this. Naming names etc at this stage seems very odd.

Especially given how the evidence at this stage 20 years since the disappearance would have to be extraordinary to secure a conviction

Have the Gardai actually named names ?

All talk of Larry Murphy has come purely from the media.

Day Lewin · 16-08-2018 11:23AM

Well, the Gardaí have implied "new evidence" and mentioned "witnesses" - and invited "people whose situation may have changed" to come forward.

We do know that Larry Murphy returned to this country following his mother's decease last May.
The family were estranged from LM: but a mother is a mother and death is a sad event; and there are always things to be dealt with afterwards.
Round about now is the period when the family would be going through her possessions: perhaps a diary or a postcard has turned up, dating from the relevant period in the 1990s? Some document that is suggestive? Pointing to a place or a date, perhaps?
or even a small personal item of some kind?

I know it is speculation, but it fits the few facts we have.

nim1bdeh38l2cw · 16-08-2018 11:52AM

Woodbrook80 wrote: »

Is he a suspect in the other girls too?

Deirdre Jacob & Jo Jo Dullard only.

White lighting · 16-08-2018 12:03PM

Miya Fancy Squid wrote: »

Woodbrook80 wrote: »

Is he a suspect in the other girls too?

Deirdre Jacob & Jo Jo Dullard only.

From what i remember reading before Jo Jo Dullards sister seemed to think she knew who killed Jo Jo and i dont think it was Larry. I think it was mentioned that who she blamed was a relation of a well known politician in that region. Thats all i can remember sadly. It may well have been LM

CeilingFly · 16-08-2018 12:06PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Must say I’m puzzled by the Garda media strategy in this. Naming names etc at this stage seems very odd.

Especially given how the evidence at this stage 20 years since the disappearance would have to be extraordinary to secure a conviction

There have been some gardai, especially in the serious cases division that knew technology would improve continually in criminal science and ensured that evidence has been stored properly and securely.

Phyllis Murphy is a classic case. 20 Years after her murder a garda called into the workplace of John Crerar and arrested him for murder. Dna on a bloodstain kept in perfect lab conditions for 20 years was the proof.

twill · 16-08-2018 12:31PM

Edgware wrote: »

He painted the victims flat, kept a copy of the key, went back to rob it when she went to work but she came back and disturbed him. It was the length of time he was being questioned without rest was the cause of dismissal not any alleged beating. Pop down to the Law Library and read the case decision. This was before the present rules came in.

I understood otherwise, thank you for clarifying it.

Joe is innocent as well I suppose in your eyes because he didn't get croissants for breakfast

Please point to where I said that, otherwise stop falsely attributing opinions to me.

Bigbagofcans · 16-08-2018 12:38PM

Miya Fancy Squid wrote: »

Deirdre Jacob & Jo Jo Dullard only.

*JoJo Dollard

Sundew · 16-08-2018 12:49PM

White lighting wrote: »

From what i remember reading before Jo Jo Dullards sister seemed to think she knew who killed Jo Jo and i dont think it was Larry. I think it was mentioned that who she blamed was a relation of a well known politician in that region. Thats all i can remember sadly. It may well have been LM

I remember a relative in Kilkenny telling me this in the late 90s, about a son of a prominent person being questioned about the disappearance. I believe my relative said at the time that land belonging to the “politician” was searched at the time.....so this maybe this was where folks added 2+2 and got 5!

Sofi1 · 16-08-2018 01:15PM

CeilingFly wrote: »

There have been some gardai, especially in the serious cases division that knew technology would improve continually in criminal science and ensured that evidence has been stored properly and securely.

Phyllis Murphy is a classic case. 20 Years after her murder a garda called into the workplace of John Crerar and arrested him for murder. Dna on a bloodstain kept in perfect lab conditions for 20 years was the proof.

I don't think the blood samples were kept in lab conditions (which is what I'd initially presumed too), they were dried blood stain cards which were kept in a locked cupboard in a inspector's office. I'm not sure how the swabs from Phyllis's body were stored.

But anyway, the lab in England was able to extract Crerar's DNA from Phyllis's samples. Then they had 53 blood cards to compare against. They were a bit tight on money and send 20 samples over first, but no match. Then they send another 20 over, no match. The last 13 went over and that's when Crerar's sample was matched.

It really was the foresight of one guard who kept control of the samples, and was able to supply them when technology had progressed sufficiently to be able to make use of them.

Deirdre Jacob missing twenty years Today.

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