Should we protest against the pope's visit?

I thought big Ian had chilled out towards the end.

fook me - have you seen the prep for this gig in the park ? Who is fitting the bill for this ? I heard there was an option to "give a few bob" when booking your tickets, I presume all monies collected during the events are going to pay for it ?

work wrote: »

It beggars belief our openly gay leader supports this when the organisation see him as a sinner and abhor his lifestyle.

Not really. He is showing understanding and compassion, he is willing for them to hold the belief's they do. He may not agree with them, but he agree with their right to assemble and pray to whatever deity they have been led to believe in.

Shame the CC does does not operate under the same levels of "christianity", instead calling out people for being sinners, their lifestyle a sin, condemn them for their decision and think only for themselves.

Now that the tide has turned, now they are all in favour of compassion and freedom to have belief's. Now they want to be see as a group of individuals rather than all lumped in together under the one group.

An_Toirpin wrote: »

Maybe because he is trying to pluralist unlike many of the anti-Catholic authoritarians in Ireland today. If a politician has an affair should all the politicians who disagree with affairs boycott them? It is always the case that people disagree on many matters and it is bizarre to imply it should enter politics.

The CC is an organisation. An Organisation lead in large part by the bible, and in particular their interpretation of that. Joining a political party one does not have to have any position on affairs. Joining the CC one is agreeing to abide by the rules and teachings of it.

Are you denying that the CC teaching is that homosexuality is a sin? As such isn't it true that Leo is showing far more compassion and understanding that the CC would have in times past ever shown to him? So was previous CC teaching wrong, and is now right?

Since it has clearly changed, have you asked on what basis has it changed? Certainly the bible hasn't had new parts added, God or Jesus hasn't revisited us. One can only conclude that the CC simply changed its mind to try to make itself look better.

It affairs were illegal, I would expect other politicians to speak out on the other person. But it isn't, it a totally false equivalent.

An_Toirpin wrote: »

It is a great anlology. Neither gay sex or adultry is illegal but there is contrasting moralities on both. An even easier example is vegatarianism. Many see meat eaters as murders and yet we can live together peacefully.

Yes but the CC would deem homosexuality as a sin, thus illegal in terms of the morality of the CC.

I'm not sure about your contrasting moralities, but they are very different things. Whilst both are between consenting adults, one is being undertaken whilst under a promise to another person. Therefore, in terms of morality, affair should be seen as 'wrong'. (I say 'wrong' but it all depends on the circumstances of the relationship from which the affair is happening, some couples are perfectly fine with it).

Vegatarians do see the killing of animals as murder, they don't think the chef is! But even if they did, they are not trying to forcefully implement their opinions on the rest of the world. Totally unlike the CC.

You can't eat meat on Friday, you can't be homosexual, you can't remarry, you can't marry if you are a priest, you can't be a priest if you are female. None of these even remotely are like how vegatarians work.

The CC is a controlling, manipulative, criminal and deeply flawed organisation which has throughout the centuries caused pain and death to many of those that do not agree with it or fail to live up to its made up standards (uness you are part of the CC then apparently you nly need to seek forgiveness!)

It is so far removed from the teachings of Christ, it wouldn't accept him if he did return.

Don't know why anyone would want to protest this pope as he has spoken out against everything people are angered by.

I'm an atheist but I went to see Pope Francis: Man Of His Word in the cinema recently and he pulls no punches when discussing priests who abused children or a whole range of other issues which other popes have pussyfooted around.

When he met Obama he still then went before the American congress and condemned the arms trade and said that the money made from it was drenched in innocent blood. You could see most there squirming in their seats after having applauded everything else he had said with gusto.

I know people will be cynical about the powers behind the church but as an individual I like him, I think he is sincere.