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Homeless shelter set a light

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  • #32
    WanderlustIre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭WanderlustIre


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I'll agree with you that it's the Government's fault regarding the limited mental health services.

    The Government can't be expected to give social housing to every applicant that rocks up asking for one. That's not very realistic unless you live in North Korea.

    What changes would you like the Government to make to increase the amount of social housing? If we put you in charge, what would you do?

    Would do as all national action plans do worldwide, anything representing a ghost estate that has been claimed as bad bank debts I'd redistribute to homeless services such as Fingal SDCC,DCC and other country wide bodies to combat the housing crisis. Some people are on the list 15 years plus


  • #33
    WanderlustIre
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    Justin Tiny Color wrote: »
    Is there any evidence that the guy had mental health issues that caused him to do this?

    You're not being compassionate (or whatever the fnck you think it is) by excusing arson by diagnosing mental illness in the perpetrator. You're just excusing a scumbag and marginalising the unwell.

    Even when someone's illness could be a factor in something like this, it's pretty rare for it to nullify their own responsibility. You've a responsibility for your own actions and part of that is seeking treatment or even containment if you're not well.


    Just from chatting to people who are there as we brought out food and tea for those who were sitting outside without their beds


  • #34
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,999 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    WanderlustIre wrote: »
    Just from chatting to people who are there as we brought out food and tea for those who were sitting outside without their beds
    Well that was nice of you


  • #35
    WanderlustIre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭WanderlustIre


    Justin Tiny Color wrote: »
    Well that was nice of you

    It wasn't out of wanting to be nice, just felt sorry for them. There was couple's, young guys and some pregnant women on the street stadning around till early hours.


  • #36
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,999 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    WanderlustIre wrote: »
    It wasn't out of wanting to be nice, just felt sorry for them. There was couple's, young guys and some pregnant women on the street stadning around till early hours.
    I wasn't being sarcastic.


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  • #37
    Will I Am Not
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    Would this person not have set their room on fire if it was a nice building?


  • #38
    BattleCorp
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    WanderlustIre wrote: »
    Would do as all national action plans do worldwide, anything representing a ghost estate that has been claimed as bad bank debts I'd redistribute to homeless services such as Fingal SDCC,DCC and other country wide bodies to combat the housing crisis. Some people are on the list 15 years plus

    How many ghost estates are in Dublin? They are in places that nobody wants to live in. And given the pickup in the price of housing, many of these ghost estates have now been finished. And therefore aren't ghost estates any more.


  • #39
    WanderlustIre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭WanderlustIre


    Will I Am Not wrote: »
    Would this person not have set their room on fire if it was a nice building?

    I think guy had issues and being in such building was not the correct decision.


  • #40
    BattleCorp
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    WanderlustIre wrote: »
    I think guy had issues and being in such building was not the correct decision.

    So where should he have been? Are the Government supposed to be psychic and know that he was going to burn down the building?


  • #41
    WanderlustIre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭WanderlustIre


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    So where should he have been? Are the Government supposed to be psychic and know that he was going to burn down the building?

    A secure unit if what is being said in the area is to go by. Well documented


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  • #42
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,002 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    WanderlustIre wrote: »
    Would do as all national action plans do worldwide, anything representing a ghost estate that has been claimed as bad bank debts I'd redistribute to homeless services such as Fingal SDCC,DCC and other country wide bodies to combat the housing crisis. Some people are on the list 15 years plus

    All well and good,but try getting many of the Homeless to relocate to any of these Ghost Estates,and you'll get a better idea of the bind many Ministers find themselves in...

    The current debate concerning Ms Margaret Cash and her decision to choose Tallaght Garda Station in preference to a property in darkest County Meath might also have a bearing.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/half-of-families-sleeping-in-garda-stations-are-travellers-or-romanian-1.3594025

    Homelessness is nothing new to Dublin or most Irish Cities,what is new is how it is being used by a variety of political and social activist groups to score Political points over whatever Government happens to be in place.

    One wonders if an Anarchaic regime would solve any of our problems better than all of this Democratic Shytt ...? ;)


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • #43
    PlaneSpeeking
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    AlekSmart wrote: »
    All well and good,but try getting many of the Homeless to relocate to any of these Ghost Estates,and you'll get a better idea of the bind many Ministers find themselves in...

    The current debate concerning Ms Margaret Cash and her decision to choose Tallaght Garda Station in preference to a property in darkest County Meath might also have a bearing.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/half-of-families-sleeping-in-garda-stations-are-travellers-or-romanian-1.3594025

    Homelessness is nothing new to Dublin or most Irish Cities,what is new is how it is being used by a variety of political and social activist groups to score Political points over whatever Government happens to be in place.

    One wonders if an Anarchaic regime would solve any of our problems better than all of this Democratic Shytt ...? ;)

    This might be a silly question but why in God's name are we housing Romanian nationals ?

    Can't they be directed to home in say Romania ??


  • #44
    antodeco
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,722 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Je suis Charlemont


  • #45
    BattleCorp
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    WanderlustIre wrote: »
    A secure unit if what is being said in the area is to go by. Well documented

    What exactly do you mean by a secure unit?


  • #46
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    WanderlustIre wrote: »
    A secure unit if what is being said in the area is to go by. Well documented

    Had anyone reported him to the relevant authorities?? Or should Mental Health Practitioners use their psychic senses to find out if someone is unwell/psychotic??


  • #47
    WanderlustIre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭WanderlustIre


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    How many ghost estates are in Dublin? They are in places that nobody wants to live in. And given the pickup in the price of housing, many of these ghost estates have now been finished. And therefore aren't ghost estates any more.

    There is a huge amount in West Dublin 2 entire estates in Ongar area that a housing action group picketed 2 weeks ago.


  • #48
    WanderlustIre
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Had anyone reported him to the relevant authorities?? Or should Mental Health Practitioners use their psychic senses to find out if someone is unwell/psychotic??

    I'd say 99.9% that his illness would of been reported by the services he used.


  • #49
    Graces7
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    WanderlustIre wrote: »
    I'd say 99.9% that his illness would of been reported by the services he used.

    I came back to say that maybe younger folk here do not remember when we, here and in the UK, had huge mental hospitals with full facilities so that disturbed and overstressed people with existing or new mental illnesses could be safe, and the public also.

    Then the powers that be decided that "care in the community" is the thing- even though often the community did not and does not want to take that on.

    There was old ones who had been in there foe decades suddenly cast out into a world they could not cope with and folk with crises they could not cope with in hostels.

    And see some of the comments here...

    What use reporting mental health concerns then doing nothing?

    Believe me I have seen some terrible cases. Folk discharged from hospital Friday night with nowhere to go . or sent to B and B in a strange town


  • #50
    PlaneSpeeking
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    Graces7 wrote: »
    I came back to say that maybe younger folk here do not remember when we, here and in the UK, had huge mental hospitals with full facilities so that disturbed and overstressed people with existing or new mental illnesses could be safe, and the public also.

    Then the powers that be decided that "care in the community" is the thing- even though often the community did not and does not want to take that on.

    There was old ones who had been in there foe decades suddenly cast out into a world they could not cope with and folk with crises they could not cope with in hostels.

    And see some of the comments here...

    What use reporting mental health concerns then doing nothing?

    Believe me I have seen some terrible cases. Folk discharged from hospital Friday night with nowhere to go . or sent to B and B in a strange town

    Or this: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2662780/Schizophrenic-stabbed-man-82-times-in-front-of-children.html


  • #51
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Graces7 wrote: »
    I came back to say that maybe younger folk here do not remember when we, here and in the UK, had huge mental hospitals with full facilities so that disturbed and overstressed people with existing or new mental illnesses could be safe, and the public also.

    Then the powers that be decided that "care in the community" is the thing- even though often the community did not and does not want to take that on.

    There was old ones who had been in there foe decades suddenly cast out into a world they could not cope with and folk with crises they could not cope with in hostels.

    And see some of the comments here...

    What use reporting mental health concerns then doing nothing?

    Believe me I have seen some terrible cases. Folk discharged from hospital Friday night with nowhere to go . or sent to B and B in a strange town

    If someone is detainable under the MH Act and the Gardai are notified, they will be detained.


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  • #52
    WanderlustIre
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    If someone is detainable under the MH Act and the Gardai are notified, they will be detained.

    You would want to check your facts. That is longer the case.


  • #53
    PlaneSpeeking
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    WanderlustIre wrote: »
    You would want to check your facts. That is longer the case.

    it bloody well should be!


  • #54
    Graces7
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    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    it bloody well should be!

    Why? This is a health issue.


  • #55
    PlaneSpeeking
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    Graces7 wrote: »
    Why? This is a health issue.

    They've been declared detainable.

    Mental health facilities generally don't do that for GAD.


  • #56
    r93kaey5p2izun
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    If someone is detainable under the MH Act and the Gardai are notified, they will be detained.

    Only after the Gardai have spent hours trying to convince a family member, usually one who has suffered physical abuse at the hands of the mentally ill person in question, that it's not worth the hassle, that they should give them another chance, that it would be less embarrassing for everyone just to take them home etc etc. In ny experience. Many times over. And when said person repeatedly escapes from where they were detained they will again focus their resources on convincing the family members to just let them back in home and just let it go.


  • #57
    WanderlustIre
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    To be sectioned doesn't happen any. Involuntary admission has to be passed by s board


  • #58
    weldoninhio
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    WanderlustIre wrote: »
    You would want to check your facts. That is longer the case.

    Eh, I work in that area. It is a fact. I’ve advised people if this, I’ve spoken with Gardai about this, and unfortunately, I had to have a family member detained like this.

    It 100% is that case, as it stands, right now. It is called an involuntary admission. It’s form 3 for the gardai to do it.


  • #59
    WanderlustIre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭WanderlustIre


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Eh, I work in that area. It is a fact. I’ve advised people if this, I’ve spoken with Gardai about this, and unfortunately, I had to have a family member detained like this.

    It 100% is that case, as it stands, right now. It is called an involuntary admission. It’s form 3 for the gardai to do it.


    If you are working In the field you are wrong. And you should go to upskill. An involuntary admission is not what was "Sectioned" I am also very familiar with the field.

    Please feel free to enquire and maybe update your knowledge
    (091) 544458

    Every day is a school day


  • #60
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    WanderlustIre wrote: »
    If you are working In the field you are wrong. And you should go to upskill. An involuntary admission is not what was "Sectioned" I am also very familiar with the field.

    Please feel free to enquire and maybe update your knowledge
    (091) 544458

    Every day is a school day

    Enquire?? I deal with it on a daily basis.


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