Hungary Scrap Gender Studies Indoctrination Courses

LLMMLL · 13-08-2018 01:12PM

Taytoland wrote: »

If someone said to you they are a horse or a crocodile would you just say OK?

Ah the silliest argument ever raises its head.

Nobody claims to be a horse or crocodile. It’s just a made up stick to beat trans people with.

LLMMLL · 13-08-2018 01:13PM

pjohnson wrote: »

When did you start peddling this?

Peddling what?

Grayson · 13-08-2018 01:13PM

TomSweeney wrote: »

hmm lets see now just a few ....

Lying and being disingenous about the "gender pay gap"
Wanting women to feel as victims and to blame all men for their problems.
Just general man hating and making this acceptable.

I presume you've got a study that examined a large number of these courses and their content that backs up your assumption? Or is this what you imagine it's like? Because what I see here is very little on evidence and very strong on feeling/belief.

batgoat · 13-08-2018 01:14PM

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Where? Cite what I said exactly.

It seems pretty clear that you view the Philippino government in a positive light. It also seems clear that you don't mind that the European commission found that the targeting of the European University is an attack on education.

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Why is up to you, a sneering liberal in a prosperous country, to tell the people of Hungary or the Philippines who they should elect? You have a colonial mindset it seems.

DickSwiveller Returns · 13-08-2018 01:15PM

batgoat wrote: »

It seems pretty clear that you view the Philippino government in a positive light. It also seems clear that you don't mind that the European commission found that the targeting of the European University is an attack on education.

Your words "You've also stated that you support the Philippino government which operates death squads". I need a citation or else an apology.

PlaneSpeeking · 13-08-2018 01:16PM

Taytoland wrote: »

If someone said to you they are a horse or a crocodile would you just say OK?

Just in case you get a spurious argument - I've that poster on ignore,f or the peace and quiet.

Otherkin - https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/mvxgwa/from-dragons-to-foxes-the-otherkin-community-believes-you-can-be-whatever-you-want-to-be

LLMMLL · 13-08-2018 01:16PM

Lash Into The Pints wrote: »

He chopped off his dick and took hormones. He's a castrated male. You may as well start the fires and summon the mob because this heretic is not backing down.

Ah portraying yourself as under attack. No wonder you’re so entrenched. You don’t have to back down. You can continue to be ignorant.

She is a woman.

LLMMLL · 13-08-2018 01:17PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Just in case you get a spurious argument - I've that poster on ignore,f or the peace and quiet.

He keeps saying he has me on ignore but has since quoted me. Go figure.

mvl · 13-08-2018 01:19PM

Keepaneye wrote: »

So basically nobody you know.

Actually how about ... I married one ? that means I have an extra reason to observe what is happening with that country, while giving out to Yay sayers here.

super_furry · 13-08-2018 01:21PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w

Every time I see another one of these threads I’m reminded of this old Harry Enfield sketch, but sadly the posters involved wouldn’t recognise the fact that it’s a skit.

13-08-2018 01:22PM

batgoat wrote: »

Eh, they actively went on the attack against the Central European University because George Soros is the founder. An Orban associated newspaper named scientists associated with it as "Mercenaries of Soros" . So yep, Orban's regime is very much so going on the offensive against those who aren't favourable to his regime. You're likely to try to justify it just because Soros' name is attached but the reality is, these moves are completely unacceptable and the European Commission have found them to be entirely illegal.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/05/hungarian-scientists-are-edge-country-poised-force-out-top-university

Except, of course, you have nothing to base that statement on (the part in bold). I've clearly written my pov on the matter. I haven't spoken about Orbans rule or his attitude towards, well, anything, except... that Orban said he banned the course because it didn't help Hungarian culture... I guessed that Hungarian culture being rather male dominated wouldn't enjoy switching to a female dominated society. So, no defending of Orban by me...

I've kept my opinion to speaking about Gender Studies courses, and the idea of State influence over University programs (in response to another posters point).

Taytoland · 13-08-2018 01:23PM

LLMMLL wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

If someone said to you they are a horse or a crocodile would you just say OK?

Ah the silliest argument ever raises its head.

Nobody claims to be a horse or crocodile. It’s just a made up stick to beat trans people with.

As much science behind it as this. Unless someone can point out the science that someone can claim to be whatever they want. Contrary to biological science.

TomSweeney · 13-08-2018 01:24PM

LLMMLL wrote: »

Ah portraying yourself as under attack. No wonder you’re so entrenched. You don’t have to back down. You can continue to be ignorant.

She is a woman.

batgoat · 13-08-2018 01:24PM

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Your words "You've also stated that you support the Philippino government which operates death squads". I need a citation or else an apology.

You're not getting an apology. I've cited where you clearly seem to view Hungary and Philippino governments in a positive light. You also have previously said that you don't like the idea of democracies. Do you have any level of admiration for the Philipino government or Duerte? If not, I'll happily update to you only supporting some extreme regimes while ignoring what they do.

Sal Butamol · 13-08-2018 01:25PM

LLMMLL wrote: »

Nope I’m a scientist. Why would I be anti-science?

Im pretty sure you are a comedian actually because you are hilarious

PlaneSpeeking · 13-08-2018 01:27PM

Taytoland wrote: »

As much science behind it as this. Unless someone can point out the science that someone can claim to be whatever they want. Contrary to biological science.

There can be chromosomal analysis done and shown that someone physically one sex is in fact the other at a genetic level.

However those cases are very few and far between and the current 31, 54, 70 odd whatever genders is just pure nonsense.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/840528/Gender-fluid-family-mum-dad-neutral-Nikki-Louise-Braven-Star-Cloud

"Identifies as both male and female". Unless diagnosed as intersex (or with hermaphroditism as was) - unscientific claptrap.

DickSwiveller Returns · 13-08-2018 01:27PM

batgoat wrote: »

You're not getting an apology. I've cited where you clearly seem to view Hungary and Philippino governments in a positive light. You also have previously said that you don't like the idea of democracies. Do you have any level of admiration for the Philipino government or Duerte? If not, I'll happily update to you only supporting some extreme regimes while ignoring what they do.

Your words: "You've also stated that you support the Philippino government which operates death squads".

Citation or get lost.

batgoat · 13-08-2018 01:28PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Except, of course, you have nothing to base that statement on (the part in bold). I've clearly written my pov on the matter. I haven't spoken about Orbans rule or his attitude towards, well, anything, except... that Orban said he banned the course because it didn't help Hungarian culture... I guessed that Hungarian culture being rather male dominated wouldn't enjoy switching to a female dominated society. So, no defending of Orban by me...

I've kept my opinion to speaking about Gender Studies courses, and the idea of State influence over University programs (in response to another posters point).

You said I was going for an extreme case but the reality is that this is part of a very real attack by Orban on education so you can't view it on its own..

LLMMLL · 13-08-2018 01:29PM

Taytoland wrote: »

As much science behind it as this. Unless someone can point out the science that someone can claim to be whatever they want. Contrary to biological science.

“The science that someone can claim to be whatever they want”???

What does that even mean?

LLMMLL · 13-08-2018 01:30PM

Sal Butamol wrote: »

Im pretty sure you are a comedian actually because you are hilarious

Nope still a scientist.

Taytoland · 13-08-2018 01:31PM

LLMMLL wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

As much science behind it as this. Unless someone can point out the science that someone can claim to be whatever they want. Contrary to biological science.

“The science that someone can claim to be whatever they want”???

What does that even mean?

People claiming that the science exists that people are born in the wrong body. I'd love proof. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

sexmag · 13-08-2018 01:32PM

LLMMLL wrote: »

Nope still a scientist.

Ok but someone has quoted a link that shows a very clear white woman who believes she is a black woman.

Can she trans-race or are people only allowed gender transition?

batgoat · 13-08-2018 01:32PM

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Your words: "You've also stated that you support the Philippino government which operates death squads".

Citation or get lost.

Do you admire Duerte? It's implied that you do since you specified the Philippines.

DickSwiveller Returns · 13-08-2018 01:33PM

batgoat wrote: »

Do you admire Duerte? It's implied that you do since you specified the Philippines.

haha the usual response when someone is caught making something up. No apology then? Slán leat.

LLMMLL · 13-08-2018 01:34PM

Taytoland wrote: »

People claiming that the science exists that people are born in the wrong body. I'd love proof. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Who said “science exists that people are born in the wrong body”?

It’s not an extraordinary claim.

batgoat · 13-08-2018 01:35PM

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

haha the usual response when someone is caught making something up. No apology then? Slán leat.

It's pretty clear that you specifically dislike criticisms of Hungary or Philippines... More interesting that you won't answer the question.

PlaneSpeeking · 13-08-2018 01:36PM

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

haha the usual response when someone is caught making something up. No apology then? Slán leat.

Didn't you just post that the Phillipines can elect who they want ?

How does that mean you support death squads ???

I'm missing something here...!

DickSwiveller Returns · 13-08-2018 01:36PM

batgoat wrote: »

It's pretty clear that you specifically dislike criticisms of Hungary or Philippines... More interesting that you won't answer the question.

Most interesting tat you won't admit your original comment was a lie.

LLMMLL · 13-08-2018 01:37PM

sexmag wrote: »

Ok but someone has quoted a link that shows a very clear white woman who believes she is a black woman.

Can she trans-race or are people only allowed gender transition?

We can’t make any generalisations based on Rachel Dolzeal. She is one individual.

If 0.5% of the Irish population believed they were black then that would certainly be worthy of a generalised investigation and analysis, but one individual is at best a case study.

DickSwiveller Returns · 13-08-2018 01:37PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Didn't you just post that the Phillipines can elect who they want ?

How does that mean you support death squads ???

I'm missing something here...!

Yes, thank you. This person doesn't seem to understand that. Although he/she thinks everyone to the right of Gramsci is Hitler so I won't bother pursuing it anymore.

Hungary Scrap Gender Studies Indoctrination Courses

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