Hungary Scrap Gender Studies Indoctrination Courses

Sweetemotion · 13-08-2018 12:22AM

mzungu wrote: »

Petty move by Orban and his cronies. Whatever one thinks of the content of a GS course, it does not mean it should be singled out for reduced funding (which will effectively ban it). If people want to go the college and study GS then so be it. No government should have the authority to pick and choose what courses they do, and do not like from a university and then withhold funding based on that.

The Hungarian government must be pretty damn weak if they are shaking in their boots that a few GS graduates are going to rise up and topple them.

Ha ha. That's a good one.

Sal Butamol · 13-08-2018 12:40AM

sameoldname wrote: »

How many people actually take these courses? I've never met one and I work in an industry where you'd be likely to find them. In fact, I could probably count on only one hand the amount of people I've met in my 30+ years who would seem like they would actually care enough to put in the effort to study such a course.

Lots. Almost every single university and college has these courses and departments.

You work. That's probably why you have never met one.

The degrees from these courses are worse than useless in the real world.

Lash Into The Pints · 13-08-2018 12:45AM

How will Hungarians learn to hate themselves and their country, heritage, religion, culture etc without these vital gender studies courses?

What have you done Orban?!

13-08-2018 12:58AM

Lash Into The Pints wrote: »

How will Hungarians learn to hate themselves and their country, heritage, religion, culture etc without these vital gender studies courses?

What have you done Orban?!

That silly Orban scrapping funding for courses that would lead to high levels of youth unemployment.... Just what is he thinking?! :pac:

sameoldname · 13-08-2018 01:11AM

Sal Butamol wrote: »

Lots. Almost every single university and college has these courses and departments.

You work. That's probably why you have never met one.

The degrees from these courses are worse than useless in the real world.

If use in the "real world" is the criteria for removing funding from courses you could make a fair case for removing such things as pure maths, most artistic and cultural courses, most language courses, philosophy, history, a good chunk of theoretical physics and the list goes on and on.

If the people taking these courses never get work in that field then what is the problem? They can't influence anything on the dole surely?

Stop getting sucked into thinking that political moves like this are actually making your life in anyway better. They aren't. It's a ploy by a politician to garner easy votes and you've fallen for it. Don't be manipulated by it.

Yer Da sells Avon · 13-08-2018 01:23AM

Lash Into The Pints wrote: »

Soy boys and blue haired lesbians absolutely wrecked.

Book-burning troglodytes who know the price of everything and the value of fuck all celebrate.

Lash Into The Pints · 13-08-2018 01:26AM

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Book-burning troglodytes who know the price of everything and the value of fuck all celebrate.

Is that you Hapax?

Anyway I'm sure you can still study gender, you'll just have to pay for it yourself. Like studying astrology or homeopathy.

Sal Butamol · 13-08-2018 01:28AM

sameoldname wrote: »

If use in the "real world" is the criteria for removing funding from courses you could make a fair case for removing such things as pure maths, most artistic and cultural courses, most language courses, philosophy, history, a good chunk of theoretical physics and the list goes on and on.

If the people taking these courses never get work in that field then what is the problem? They can't influence anything on the dole surely?

Stop getting sucked into thinking that political moves like this are actually making your life in anyway better. They aren't. It's a ploy by a politician to garner easy votes and you've fallen for it. Don't be manipulated by it.

You assume an awful lot based on what exactly?

FYI I have a PhD and have worked and taught in universities here and abroad.

Yer Da sells Avon · 13-08-2018 01:30AM

Lash Into The Pints wrote: »

Anyway I'm sure you can still study gender, you'll just have to pay for it yourself. Like studying astrology or homeopathy.

You'll be waiting a while before we elect a hard-right government here, I'm afraid.

13-08-2018 01:30AM

sameoldname wrote: »

If use in the "real world" is the criteria for removing funding from courses you could make a fair case for removing such things as pure maths, most artistic and cultural courses, most language courses, philosophy, history, a good chunk of theoretical physics and the list goes on and on.

If the people taking these courses never get work in that field then what is the problem? They can't influence anything on the dole surely?

Stop getting sucked into thinking that political moves like this are actually making your life in anyway better. They aren't. It's a ploy by a politician to garner easy votes and you've fallen for it. Don't be manipulated by it.

Can people not just buy into this ideology without actually wasting years of their life studying it? Do they need to do a degree in horseshíte?

Any country worth their salt would assess their skills shortages and fund courses that are actually of use and lead to a functional career path.

Gender studies is not only useless but causes societal dysfunction into the bargain and all because a few greedy universities want to take advantage of millennial brats

Lash Into The Pints · 13-08-2018 01:34AM

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

You'll be waiting a while before we elect a hard-right government here, I'm afraid.

Exactly Hapax, you're free to waste your money on a worthless gender studies degree here. Your butthurt is misplaced.

Yer Da sells Avon · 13-08-2018 01:36AM

Lash Into The Pints wrote: »

Exactly Hapax, you're free to waste your money on a worthless gender studies degree here. Your butthurt is misplaced.

Long may that continue, much to the consternation of the book-burning fraternity.

Lash Into The Pints · 13-08-2018 01:40AM

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Long may that continue, much to the consternation of the book-burning fraternity.

If millenial retards want to get into debt with gender studies then more power to them. How else we learn of the gender dynamics of burger flippers in Macdonalds?

Annasopra · 13-08-2018 01:43AM

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

They're allowed to teach them but not with State funds. What's the problem?

State censorship wanting to shut down dissent is the problem. I would have thought that was obvious.

Yer Da sells Avon · 13-08-2018 01:43AM

Lash Into The Pints wrote: »

How else we learn of the gender dynamics of burger flippers in Macdonalds?

Indeed, how else we learn.

Annasopra · 13-08-2018 01:51AM

Nermal wrote: »

The reality is that the Hungarian government prioritises the rights of its citizens over illegal immigrants and doesn't want to spend taxpayer's money on indoctrination into a post-modern cult. It's not 'dodgy', frankly it's a beacon.

The Hungarian government is effectively doing the opposite - spending money on proagandising and indocrinating its own cult!

sameoldname · 13-08-2018 01:53AM

Sal Butamol wrote: »

You assume an awful lot based on what exactly?

FYI I have a PhD and have worked and taught in universities here and abroad.

Congratulations. You still have biases and from your posting history here it's quite obvious what they are. Orban and his ilk are exploiting them. There's nothing new in what he's doing. You should know better.

Annasopra · 13-08-2018 01:54AM

batgoat wrote: »

You two are genuinely reading like people who would have been praising Hitler in his fight against the 'globalist agenda'. The rhetoric, the behaviour of the regime etc aren't dissimilar. Dick, it's not according to me, it's according to numerous human rights orgs across the globe. It's simply that you two are so anti immigrant and right wing in your viewpoints, you're incapable of seeing how bad things are getting over there.

Agreed. They might as well.join Orbans cult as they seem to have been completely taken in by his propaganda.

Annasopra · 13-08-2018 01:56AM

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Ah I see you're coming from the the everyone who disagrees with me is Hitler school of political thought. I thought you would be in favour of democracy. Or is it only when you like it?

Hahahaha - You are seriously calling Orban and Hungary right now democracy? Hilarious.

Annasopra · 13-08-2018 02:10AM

Kaysen Echoing Perfume wrote: »

Bringing it back in topic a bit does anyone know anyone that is or has done a women's studies or gender studies course?

I'm only guessing but I wonder are there many young people, it would seem a waste to do it if you're looking for a decent job out of it. If imagine most would be fairly well off middle aged and older women who are doing it because it appeals to them, not that they need to carve out a job or career.

I know a few. They have gone to academia, nursing, civil service, teaching, civil society campaigns, economists, journalism, community development work, youth work. Quite diverse. Not all middle class lesbians doing it as a hobby at all.

Annasopra · 13-08-2018 02:15AM

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Can you give an example?

He is trying to ban CEU

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2017/04/hungary-shut-university-170405104057150.html

Sal Butamol · 13-08-2018 02:31AM

sameoldname wrote: »

Congratulations. You still have biases and from your posting history here it's quite obvious what they are. Orban and his ilk are exploiting them. There's nothing new in what he's doing. You should know better.

I said it shouldn't be banned.

In your rush to sift through my posts for some dirt you missed that.

My only bias is against loony gibberish of the sort that is regularly spouted by gender studies departments and their ilk.

Keep making up stuff though, it illustrates your tenuous grasp of reality pretty well.

dr.fuzzenstein · 13-08-2018 05:52AM

Sal Butamol wrote: »

You assume an awful lot based on what exactly?

FYI I have a PhD and have worked and taught in universities here and abroad.

He assumes all this based on exactly fcuk all except his own ignorance and prejudice and I doubt that person has ever seen a university from the inside, unless he delivers something there.

dr.fuzzenstein · 13-08-2018 05:57AM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

He is trying to ban CEU

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2017/04/hungary-shut-university-170405104057150.html

The right wing circle jerk will not read this.
Too many facts and big words, easier to just scream "Fake News!" and carry on.

13-08-2018 07:50AM

Grayson wrote: »

There's a completely different story to the one you're telling.

The fact is that no-one actually cited that work. No-one actually believed it. What the writers exposed wasn't that gender studies is bad but rather that the academic publishing company is dodgy.

Gender stiudies courses tend to use research that is based on academic publishing... along with Feminist ideology which is again heavily influenced by academic publishing so....

I don't get your objection, TBH.

The article you linked to decided to go down a completely different route, ignore the dodgy peer review and focus on the subject matter of the paper instead. They ignored that the writers actually paid someone to get the article in the journal.

Which is what all such research should be doing.... and again, I don't get your objection. Or are you simply arguing for the sake of it?

Deleted User wrote: »

Well you see the thing is that these courses are actually absolutely useless and lead to at most if you are lucky a job in Mcdonalds flipping burgers after three years of brainwashing. These courses are scrapped because they offer nothing. the idea of college is to upskill people for the workforce

Not really. These courses have a purpose now. For those people who want the introduction of Quotas, and these graduates will be there to maintain the need for quotas and other such initiatives for "equality". There will be a need for employees who have been trained to be "fair" to women to ensure that equality for [insert gender, race etc here] exists, and then we'll need similar people to be there to report on it in the media.

TBH I suspect these days having a Gender studies qualification, combined with any other industry related Masters qualification, [and being female] would be a guarantee for work and speedy promotions.

13-08-2018 08:15AM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

The right wing circle jerk will not read this.
Too many facts and big words, easier to just scream "Fake News!" and carry on.

You do realise that people can support his idea to ban Gender Studies without supporting the rest of his policies/motives?

I swear the way we're all put into neat little groups just so that we can be dismissed is increasingly becoming annoying.

I dislike Gender Studies courses, or "Womens Studies" as they used to be called. I don't dislike Astrology because it doesn't encourage a line of thought that pits one gender against another. Astrology doesn't matter, one way or another. Gender Studies and similar courses, will become more important as time goes by.

Gender Studies is based in a mishmash of Peer-related papers, some valid research, and heaps of assumptions without solid foundations. But it's becoming more accepted in spite of it's lack of solid evidence. That we allow such courses is like suggesting we should allow the KKK to run a course in University to introduce and promote their viewpoints of racial superiority.

I have yet to see any of the posters complaining about this ban actually defend the course itself. Perhaps because you already understand that it's a course that encourages misandry.

Argue that Orban is an evil influence, and I could agree with you more. Although, he did say that such a course, does not match with their culture. And he might be right there. I've seen very little to suggest that Gender studies actually seeks to promote equality... but then I suppose Equality isn't what he wants. With Gender studies, a more female dominated society rather than the more traditional male dominated society?

Malayalam · 13-08-2018 08:19AM

Deleted User wrote: »

TBH I suspect these days having a Gender studies qualification, combined with any other industry related Masters qualification, [and being female] would be a guarantee for work and speedy promotions.

Which is why there is malarkey such as the Scottish government publishing education protocols whereby children between 5 and 9 years old will be taught to choose their own gender. People graduate from these courses and move into positions whereby they have influence on social policy.

According to teaching materials created jointly by Education Scotland, the Scottish government and the NHS, pupils will be asked to decide whether they are a boy, a girl or neither.

Source - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/five-year-olds-to-choose-their-gender-26m3x2frt

I do not think they should be banned at all. Far more productive and effective would be to properly fund rigorous academic courses that counter-balance, investigate, query, counter-publish and debate the anti-scientific gender and social study modules.

whisky_galore · 13-08-2018 08:59AM

Gender studies is a load of bollix. That it's a subject in uni is laughable. Don't have an objection to it, but better suited to an evening class/night course along with 'discover your aura' or 'creative writing'.

What I will say is that they have a weird attitude to women in Hungary. Went into a few places with female friends and even though I was further away from the server/counter, the women were overlooked as if they didn't exist.

PlaneSpeeking · 13-08-2018 09:04AM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I know a few. They have gone to academia, nursing, civil service, teaching, civil society campaigns, economists, journalism, community development work, youth work. Quite diverse. Not all middle class lesbians doing it as a hobby at all.

Not diverse at all - the professions in bold are really just regurgitating the same old tired "31 gender" bollocks and the other professions would laugh in your face if all you had was a gender studies diploma.

PlaneSpeeking · 13-08-2018 09:05AM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Gender studies is a load of bollix. That it's a subject in uni is laughable. Don't have an objection to it, but better suited to an evening class/night course along with 'discover your aura' or 'creative writing'.

What I will say is that they have a weird attitude to women in Hungary. Went into a few places with female friends and even though I was further away from the server/counter, the women were overlooked as if they didn't exist.

Yeah that's not unique - we have to carefully balance our laboratory groups so that the Saudi male students don't ride roughshod over the opinions of the female students.

Hungary Scrap Gender Studies Indoctrination Courses

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