Hungary Scrap Gender Studies Indoctrination Courses

12-08-2018 10:18PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

If you are for Free Speech and exchange of ideas, you should be against this ban.

Doesn't matter if you like to content of the courses, you should be defending their right to teach them.

Well you see the thing is that these courses are actually absolutely useless and lead to at most if you are lucky a job in Mcdonalds flipping burgers after three years of brainwashing. These courses are scrapped because they offer nothing. the idea of college is to upskill people for the workforce

batgoat · 12-08-2018 10:18PM

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Why is up to you, a sneering liberal in a prosperous country, to tell the people of Hungary or the Philippines who they should elect? You have a colonial mindset it seems.

Where do you stand on Hitler? Genuinely seems like you would admire him based on the crap you've posted in this thread...

DickSwiveller Returns · 12-08-2018 10:19PM

batgoat wrote: »

Where do you stand on Hitler? Genuinely seems like you would admire him based on the crap you've posted in this thread...

Here you go again. Not everyone who disagrees with you admires Hitler. Get out in to the world and talk to people with different opinions.

12-08-2018 10:22PM

batgoat wrote: »

Where do you stand on Hitler? Genuinely seems like you would admire him based on the crap you've posted in this thread...

Ah yes the old 'if you dont agree with nonsense leftist views you are obviously a Hitler fan'. :rolleyes:

batgoat · 12-08-2018 10:23PM

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Here you go again. Not everyone who disagrees with you admires Hitler. Get out in to the world and talk to people with different opinions.

You have listed some countries with huge human rights violations and the likes of Philippines have government run death squads. The leaders you seem to veer towards are the ones who tend to have lots in common with Stalin and Hitler. Cults of personality, lots of propaganda and warnings of globalist plots. So seems reasonable to think you would have a level of admiration for Hitler too...

GreeBo · 12-08-2018 10:24PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

If you are for Free Speech and exchange of ideas, you should be against this ban.

Doesn't matter if you like to content of the courses, you should be defending their right to teach them.

Do you feel the same away about creationism or flat earthers?

12-08-2018 10:31PM

Sal Butamol wrote: »

I don't think they should be banned.

I just wish that universities would stop pandering to these departments at every opportunity.

Only today I read an article about how white male professors in the UK will now be assigned younger black women as "mentors" to teach them about unconscious bias under a new government-funded scheme

This is the kind of ****e that gets pushed non-stop by these lunatics. This kind of nonsense is already endemic in universities here and is only going to get worse.

What is even worse is that if you dare question or ridicule them, you get targeted straight away for being "problematic".

Some of the worst bully tactics and censorship comes from sociology departments, it is high time that they go put in their place, in the corner with the other cranks.

To be honest they are not being banned but they are surplus to requirements because they are worthless in the real world

meeeeh · 12-08-2018 10:31PM

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

meeeeh wrote: »

I presume you equally admire Maduro? They are both made from the same stock.

Why is up to you, a sneering liberal in a prosperous country, to tell the people of Hungary or the Philippines who they should elect? You have a colonial mindset it seems.

My colonial mindset at least distinguishes between Venezuela and Philippines. They are not all the same you know.

Sweetemotion · 12-08-2018 10:36PM

batgoat wrote: »

Where do you stand on Hitler? Genuinely seems like you would admire him based on the crap you've posted in this thread...

dr.fuzzenstein · 12-08-2018 10:38PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Well you see the thing is that these courses are actually absolutely useless and lead to at most if you are lucky a job in Mcdonalds flipping burgers after three years of brainwashing. These courses are scrapped because they offer nothing. the idea of college is to upskill people for the workforce

In your own words, can you tell us exactly why these courses are useless? What is inferior about the information given in these courses?
Can you supply stats what % of graduates from these courses go on to start careers in fast food establishments?
Or are you just spouting sh*te because you're the cool and edgy dude?

um7y1h83ge06nx · 12-08-2018 10:39PM

Bringing it back in topic a bit does anyone know anyone that is or has done a women's studies or gender studies course?

I'm only guessing but I wonder are there many young people, it would seem a waste to do it if you're looking for a decent job out of it. If imagine most would be fairly well off middle aged and older women who are doing it because it appeals to them, not that they need to carve out a job or career.

Sweetemotion · 12-08-2018 10:40PM

Kaysen Echoing Perfume wrote: »

Bringing it back in topic a bit does anyone know anyone that is or has done a women's studies or gender studies course?

I'm only guessing but I wonder are there many young people, it would seem a waste to do it if you're looking for a decent job out of it. If imagine most would be fairly well off middle aged and older women who are doing it because it appeals to them, not that they need to carve out a job or career.

Wibbs · 12-08-2018 10:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

These courses are scrapped because they offer nothing. the idea of college is to upskill people for the workforce

Yes and no TG. That's what industry would like to have us believe and there's much to it in the Real World(tm), but TBH that's reductive, too black and white and a bit Sheldon Cooper for my personal liking.

Universities from their very birth over a thousand years ago(and before, if we stretch the definitions) have always been cauldrons of thought and education for its own sake, whether it turned out to be reductively practical or not. A centre for working out what we collectively as a species know at any one time and grading students on how much of that they know - and maybe add to - individually.

And there are plenty of courses that "offer nothing" beyond themselves and offer equally little in the way of employment but going on to teach said courses. A goodly chunk of the arts courses for a start.

However, and this is just my take, culturally we'd be lesser if we lost those "frivolous" areas of study. Sure feminism, sorry "gender studies", is more a politic than an area of study, social "sciences" can be similar and I personally think them increasingly down the rabbit hole daft, but where do we as a culture draw the line? Life is, or should be more than training to man(or woman) a cubicle, no matter how fancy.

The other question is should we as a society support this kinda thing through our taxes? That's less a given for me, though we support a fair few things that don't necessarily give us an obvious "return for investment".

And this is coming from a man who considers feminism Gender studies to be woo woo ballsology of the highest order. I particularly loved one of the reply tweets to the Irish "doctor" of the subject, when someone tweeted that it was really feminism, and she replied along the lines of "feminism is just as much for men". Maybe the silly bint would have been well served to also take a course in etymology. The clue is in the name. From the Latin; Femina, woman, the female gender.

Ulysses Gaze · 12-08-2018 10:48PM

GreeBo wrote: »

Do you feel the same away about creationism or flat earthers?

Yes. And they should be lampooned.

Venom · 12-08-2018 10:48PM

batgoat wrote: »

Where do you stand on Hitler? Genuinely seems like you would admire him based on the crap you've posted in this thread...

PlaneSpeeking · 12-08-2018 10:48PM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Kaysen Echoing Perfume wrote: »

Bringing it back in topic a bit does anyone know anyone that is or has done a women's studies or gender studies course?

I'm only guessing but I wonder are there many young people, it would seem a waste to do it if you're looking for a decent job out of it. If imagine most would be fairly well off middle aged and older women who are doing it because it appeals to them, not that they need to carve out a job or career.

The planet has a future if she's not a lone example!!!!

Sal Butamol · 12-08-2018 10:51PM

Wibbs wrote: »

I particularly loved one of the reply tweets to the Irish "doctor" of the subject, when someone tweeted that it was really feminism, and she replied along the lines of "feminism is just as much for men".

Holy **** did you just unmask Blindboy Boatarse?:D

mfceiling · 12-08-2018 11:04PM

This is the ultimate aim of the right, shut down all dissent.

Seems that if you have a different opinion on the validity of gender studies as being a relevant subject, then you too will be shouted down, compared to Hitler or mocked for dissent.

12-08-2018 11:12PM

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

They're allowed to teach them but not with State funds. What's the problem?

But Orban is also banning private universities that teach things he doesn't like, so that simply doesnt cut it, it's very much a shutdown

DickSwiveller Returns · 12-08-2018 11:20PM

riffmongous wrote: »

But Orban is also banning private universities that teach things he doesn't like, so that simply doesnt cut it, it's very much a shutdown

Can you give an example?

Sal Butamol · 12-08-2018 11:22PM

Remember when the left championed Julian Assange as a hero of free speech?

The minute he aired Hillary Clinton's dirty laundry they were calling him a traitor, a Russian agent and asking for him to be droned.

As bad as the right can be, the left in recent years have been far, far, worse with their brand of silencing people they don't like.

Now with Trump Derangement Syndrome is full flow, they are worse than ever.

meeeeh · 12-08-2018 11:23PM

Just two points on the whole discussion:

1. Hungarian PISA results are falling quite significantly so gender studies might not be the biggest problem to solve.

2. Hungarians are doing a lot better under Orban than they were 10 years ago. So while the West in general and Orban's fanboys here mostly concentrate on migrants and building fences it is possible (and I'd say likely) that main reason for his popularity is simply more money in people's pockets. There is still a question mark over whole economic miracle and it will be interesting to see how the situation develops.

Galwayguy35 · 12-08-2018 11:26PM

Orban is right, if people want to study something that is basically worthless horseh1t let them pay for it themselves.

12-08-2018 11:26PM

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Can you give an example?

It was already mentioned, the Soros funded Central European University. Now dislike Soros all you want but it doesn't change the fact it's a shutdown of anything Orban doesn't like, if you can't fund publicly or privately

hell it's even mentioned in your op link

GreeBo · 12-08-2018 11:50PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Yes. And they should be lampooned.

Why would you waste time, money and effort on something that in your own words "should be lampooned"?

mzungu · 12-08-2018 11:58PM

Petty move by Orban and his cronies. Whatever one thinks of the content of a GS course, it does not mean it should be singled out for reduced funding (which will effectively ban it). If people want to go the college and study GS then so be it. No government should have the authority to pick and choose what courses they do, and do not like from a university and then withhold funding based on that.

The Hungarian government must be pretty damn weak if they are shaking in their boots that a few GS graduates are going to rise up and topple them.

13-08-2018 12:10AM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

In your own words, can you tell us exactly why these courses are useless? What is inferior about the information given in these courses?
Can you supply stats what % of graduates from these courses go on to start careers in fast food establishments?
Or are you just spouting sh*te because you're the cool and edgy dude?

What information is inferior??...hmm let me see

1. That gender is a social construct. Lets ignore basic biology and the fact that most of the sexual members of plant and animal kingdom has male and female genitals and traits

2. That a patriarchy exists in western society in spite of the fact that western civilisation provides the greatest level of freedom at present in history. The so called oppressed such as non-caucasians and women can pursue any career they wish, wear what they wish, say what they wish, practice what religion they wish. They are no more oppressed then premiership footballers but of course a couple of narcissistic depraved lunatics are mad for power so they came up with this brain wave to indoctrinate millions of naive kids around the world

So what career path is out of gender studies exactly since your an informed expert? Im interested to know all the potential jobs that Hungary could be throwing down the swanny in the future.

sameoldname · 13-08-2018 12:12AM

Stories like this do my head in...

How many people actually take these courses? I've never met one and I work in an industry where you'd be likely to find them. In fact, I could probably count on only one hand the amount of people I've met in my 30+ years who would seem like they would actually care enough to put in the effort to study such a course.

Orban did this for no other reason bar the optics of it. He's defunded a course barely anyone takes and yet people on here and elsewhere seem to think he's some sort of saviour? The stupidity of it all makes my blood boil!

13-08-2018 12:14AM

mzungu wrote: »

Petty move by Orban and his cronies. Whatever one thinks of the content of a GS course, it does not mean it should be singled out for reduced funding (which will effectively ban it). If people want to go the college and study GS then so be it. No government should have the authority to pick and choose what courses they do, and do not like from a university and then withhold funding based on that.

The Hungarian government must be pretty damn weak if they are shaking in their boots that a few GS graduates are going to rise up and topple them.

They'd topple fúck all. Most of these idiots cant even mount anything resembling a proper debate. Just brats who try and censor anyone who debunks their flawed shíte.

Lash Into The Pints · 13-08-2018 12:15AM

Soy boys and blue haired lesbians absolutely wrecked.

Hungary Scrap Gender Studies Indoctrination Courses

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