Do shops have to let customers use their toilets?

Donald Trump · 12-08-2018 08:22PM

Shite in the bucket OP.

Shite in the bucket

12-08-2018 08:34PM

I'd imagine they have a right to refuse, but it's probably the most sensible option in terms of reputation and future business to allow somebody use it, particularly if they're from the locality.

Dempsey · 12-08-2018 08:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd imagine they have a right to refuse, but it's probably the most sensible option in terms of reputation and future business to allow somebody use it, particularly if they're from the locality.

Financial incentive shouldnt be the reason. Basic human decency should come first. Seems like that is well down the pecking order for alot of people

Captain Obvious · 12-08-2018 09:47PM

anewme wrote: »

Jaysus...people being way to harsh here.

Kids would have a great time nosing around in the shop picking out what they wanted till whoever was in charge went and get heir wallet.

Somewhere in that time, child needs to use the loo and doesthe right thing and asks but is refused. Having been told not to leave the shop, again he does what he was told and stays in the shop.

Comments that he's not toilet trained etc are totally un necessary and unhelpful.

I totally understand for reasons outlined above (namely insurance scammers and dirty fckers) why the shop refused and the Dad will just have to accept that as policy, harsh and all as it seems. If the shop staff were told not to let anyone use the staff toilets then they might have gotten into trouble themselves so just give a blanket NO.

What I really don't get though, is the need to slag off a ten year old child.

He's 10 ffs.

It took just 2 minutes of distraction for James Bulger to be taken from his mother by a couple of kids. Anyone who thinks leaving a ten year old on his own while you head home for 10 minutes is completely deranged.

anewme · 12-08-2018 10:15PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

It took just 2 minutes of distraction for James Bulger to be taken from his mother by a couple of kids. Anyone who thinks leaving a ten year old on his own while you head home for 10 minutes is completely deranged.

Janes Bulger was 2.

It was an extreme incident.

My post focus is on the people slagging off a ten year old as if he is at fault fior any of this, which is not acceptable.

LirW · 12-08-2018 10:18PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

As a matter of interest would you allow a stranger use your private toilet if in a predicament ?

If it's a 10 year old kid of course. If it's an adult, yeah, probably too if I don't have a dodgy feeling about it.

iamwhoiam · 12-08-2018 10:22PM

LirW wrote: »

If it's a 10 year old kid of course. If it's an adult, yeah, probably too if I don't have a dodgy feeling about it.

As a once off I would too . But I presume if it was a regular thing we would all get fed up

LirW · 12-08-2018 10:27PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

As a once off I would too . But I presume if it was a regular thing we would all get fed up

Don't get me wrong, I know why shops don't let customers go and they're completely in their right to do so.
My original post was more directed at the people that are foaming in front of their screens and were about to call Tusla, the guards and the president.

Keepaneye · 12-08-2018 10:31PM

Amazing how short sighted some people are. Let the customer go to the bathroom and you will more than likely have them as a customer again.

Del2005 · 12-08-2018 10:40PM

Keepaneye wrote: »

Amazing how short sighted some people are. Let the customer go to the bathroom and you will more than likely have them as a customer again.

Or more likely in this country they'll crap on the floor and then sue you went they slip on it.

CeilingFly · 12-08-2018 10:42PM

Keepaneye wrote: »

Amazing how short sighted some people are. Let the customer go to the bathroom and you will more than likely have them as a customer again.

In an ideal world, that is true. But we live in a world that has a large number of scumbags.

As per my post above, some people either are not toilet trained or purposely piss and sh1t on the floor and some will falsely claim they fell.

Sorry, but when staff tell you they refuse to work if cleaning toilets after "customers" is required, you stop allowing it.

And you'd be very surprised at how many and how "decent" these people looked.

Sorry, but I can do without these customers.

myshirt · 12-08-2018 10:48PM

Could be going in there to do drugs, you never know with these kids, and that's the problem.*

You are too innocent op. This isn't 1970's rural Ireland where everything was ran on a nod and a wink and an ara you're grand casual lax attitude. These are sophisticated businesses. There are significantly increased risks to just be opening the Jacks like that, unless that's the product you are selling. Without googling the risks can you name 3?

If you can't, you have zero place to be complaining here. This is people's livelihoods.

And separately, I'm with the poster who would call the guards. I'd call them aswell. You don't leave kids unattended like that. It's also not a baby sitting service. I'd put this behaviour in the same category as those who would buy a single MiWadi in a pub so he could watch the game. I'd f#ck him out on his ear.

*Joking of course.

harr · 12-08-2018 11:05PM

If a shop doesn’t provide public toilets and lets a customer use staff toilets and that customer happens to have fall the shops public liability insurance won’t cover it as a member of the public was let into a restricted area..

Another issue is some people are scum bags I remember when I worked in a shop I let a very respectful looking lady use staff toilet only for her to **** on the floor and smear it on the wall..

Graces7 · 13-08-2018 08:27AM

Bredabe wrote: »

I have a sibling who works in an area where there is a lot of drug abuse. His boss is forced by Health Authority to keep the toilets for the shop open, resulting in staff having to clean up all kinds of bodily fluids and drug paraphernalia on an hourly basis.

They get NO training on how to dispose of the paraphernalia or any clue as to where to dispose of it safely, there are no grants for his boss to buy special gloves/masks for them to wear while they clean this up.

While in general, I would be pro shop toilet, only if ppl using it, respect it!

Many garages and shops keep the toilets locked and you have to ask for the key.

matrim · 13-08-2018 08:37AM

Not sure if it has been mentioned but in a lot of shops the toilets are in the back room. In order for a customer to go there they would have to be escorted. You would them have had a situation of a staff member escorting an unaccompanied minor into a private area of the store alone. We might have had a completely different thread then.

I used to work in shops where we sometimes had to escorted customers to the toilets and the policy was minors only with their parents (or the adult they were with)

CeilingFly · 13-08-2018 12:28PM

matrim wrote: »

Not sure if it has been mentioned but in a lot of shops the toilets are in the back room. In order for a customer to go there they would have to be escorted. You would them have had a situation of a staff member escorting an unaccompanied minor into a private area of the store alone. We might have had a completely different thread then.

I used to work in shops where we sometimes had to escorted customers to the toilets and the policy was minors only with their parents (or the adult they were with)

yep, that's a given and didn't realise the person in the OP was unaccompanied.

Simply open to all sorts of allegations/issues and no store will or should take that risk.

YFlyer · 13-08-2018 01:50PM

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The young lad and his friend and the friends dad were in the shop getting a few bits when the dad realised that he had left his wallet at home and had to go back and get it. So the lads stayed in the shop while the dad went home.

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Wexford folks stupid?

badtoro · 13-08-2018 02:20PM

Couldn't read all the thread but there were some early replies from people who might think about spending less time online ðŸ€”

Graces7 · 13-08-2018 03:54PM

What kind of a country where a child is refused a basic need, out of ??legalism??

??Lack of basic humanity??

Captain Obvious · 13-08-2018 04:12PM

Graces7 wrote: »

What kind of a country where a child is refused a basic need, out of ??legalism??

??Lack of basic humanity??

It's generally either a case of safety or security.

Graces7 · 13-08-2018 04:26PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

It's generally either a case of safety or security.

Nonsense... as I said, legalism. and very distressing for the child.

Over and out from me.

iamwhoiam · 13-08-2018 04:29PM

Graces7 wrote: »

Nonsense... as I said, legalism. and very distressing for the child.

Over and out from me.

Maybe the dad should have factored in the potential distress on the child and not left him alone . Its not always black and white and everyone elses fault when things don't go to plan for us

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 13-08-2018 05:56PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Maybe the dad should have factored in the potential distress on the child and not left him alone . Its not always black and white and everyone elses fault when things don't go to plan for us

Dad leaves underage child alone. Shop has to consider safety and insurance concerns. If the child was to be taken to the staff toilets who would accompany the child, as it would have to be two adults for child protection reasons? Of course there are legitimate legal reasons not to allow a child use private toilets on the premises.

Anybody who can't see where the blame lies here is hiding their head in the sand.

soups05 · 13-08-2018 07:17PM

someone mentioned jamie bulger, good context there. in 25 years we have gone from two ten year olds murdering a child to two ten year olds who cannot be trusted to walk across a road to a toilet without daddy to guide them.

Don't get me wrong, am glad we do not have psycho kids running around the place, but are we really in a position were 2 ten year old boys need hand holding ffs.

oh and next time, just take them home to use toilets there, not pawn them off on staff and complain when they don't jump to the little angles every whim. lazy parenting, coddled kids, staff were right to refuse access to toilets. Its also very easy to see in this thread who has worked retail and who has not.

iamwhoiam · 13-08-2018 07:19PM

soups05 wrote: »

someone mentioned jamie bulger, good context there. in 25 years we have gone from two ten year olds murdering a child to two ten year olds who cannot be trusted to walk across a road to a toilet without daddy to guide them.

Don't get me wrong, am glad we do not have psycho kids running around the place, but are we really in a position were 2 ten year old boys need hand holding ffs.

oh and next time, just take them home to use toilets there, not pawn them off on staff and complain when they don't jump to the little angles every whim. lazy parenting, coddled kids, staff were right to refuse access to toilets. Its also very easy to see in this thread who has worked retail and who has not.

Well I fully understand the shop staff and have never worked in retail so not sure how you would see that ?

Eggs For Dinner · 13-08-2018 07:39PM

Keepaneye wrote: »

Amazing how short sighted some people are. Let the customer go to the bathroom and you will more than likely have them as a customer again.

More likely they'll be back in to your shop again and again just to use your toilet

Robsweezie · 14-08-2018 02:08AM

im glad the little c*nt was turned away, i hope he **** himself and IBS plagues him forever, serves him right for even existing, i would have smashed his little fuucking face in. cheek of him.

dont mind me just joining in the kid bashing!

BuboBubo · 14-08-2018 02:13AM

Robsweezie wrote: »

im glad the little c*nt was turned away, i hope he **** himself and IBS plagues him forever, serves him right for even existing, i would have smashed his little fuucking face in. cheek of him.

dont mind me just joining in the kid bashing!

As a sufferer of colitis myself, I wouldn't wish IBS or it's horrible relations on anyone.

Even if it's a particularly bratty kid!

The toilets in that shopping centre in Gorey are a fair old trek away too. Its like they hid them 24 kilometres away from the shops in there - mad stuff altogether!

cursai · 14-08-2018 03:26AM

LirW wrote: »

I hope nobody here was out for a whole day with no toilet around when suddenly the sh1t properly hits you and it feels like you burst.
Never had an unexpected pressure that just got you?
Seems like boards is occupied from the poop elite that never had any movements whatsoever.

Use a public toilet or risk the alleyway. It just run free cause your parent abandoned you in a shop.

JupiterKid · 14-08-2018 04:43AM

The lack of decent public toilets in all of our cities and towns in a real problem. 30 years ago Dublin had public loos in quite a few spots - now all gone because of anti-social activity.

Large stores should have toilets available for customers. A friend who works in the legal profession told me that if a toilet is present in an establishment, a customer using that business is entitled to use it if they need to.

Amsterdam has a few spots around its shopping area that are like posh super clean toilets. Very nice and clean.

Also a lot of cafes have loos available to the general public and not just customers but you have to pay for the privilege of using them.